When Is The Actual Sabbath?
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Your argument is completely invalid because in that scenario Wednesday actually would be the last day of the week and those people could always look at historical or past info just as we do to find the "actual" last day of the week or correct sabbath.
It's not the name of the day that is important, it is the chronological ordering and cycle that gives the significance. It's not the sound you make with your mouth "Saturday" it's the last day of the week!
It's not the name of the day that is important, it is the chronological ordering and cycle that gives the significance. It's not the sound you make with your mouth "Saturday" it's the last day of the week!
I agree. Jesus was exempt from the carnal keeping of the Sabbath because He was Lord of the Sabbath Himself and in truth never broke it in the way that men think. He is the true Sabbath of which the Old Testament spoke of in a shadow.
Have we ever read where Jesus said that the priests who stand in the temple - break the Sabbath which is in the Law?...or that David and his men ate of the bread which was in the temple?
Matthew 12:2-6 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath."
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.
Why were the priest not breaking the Sabbath law - because they were in the temple. Why did David be able to eat of the bread? Because he was in the temple.
This is why the true believer in Christ will not be breaking any Sabbath law as in the observing of a particular day ( whether Saturday or Sunday as they are both doing a carnal keeping) because we are in the temple. Know you not that you are the temple of God?
Those that are in the temple are not breaking the Sabbath law by doing work on any particular day of the week because we are in Christ. He is the true temple of God as we are in union with Him and are one in the spirit.
Until we understand the reality of our union with Christ and what that means - we will be resorting to going back to the Law and trying to live by our own flesh and we are exchanging Christ Himself for the carnal keeping of the Law.
People are free to observe any day they like and we are not to judge them on this but when they say "If you don't keep the Sabbath day as in the Law of Moses or the OT - you are sinning and not obeying God "- that is a Judaizing spirit and it is not from God.
It is a perversion of the gospel and Paul says he didn't stand for this for even one hour so that the truth would remain with us.
If someone who is practicing Judaism I wouldn't bat an eye at them telling me they are keeping sabbath every saturday. I know they mean it in a carnal way.
But a Christian that says that must be really confused as to what Christianity is. And what the law is. How did they get so confused?
They must have been somewhere where they were taught that the carnal following of the law was the right way. It seems good. And it seems right. But its not.
A Christian should know that. How do they not know? How can a person be Christian and still have the vail over the mind when Moses is read? I sincerely don't know the answer to that one.
But a Christian that says that must be really confused as to what Christianity is. And what the law is. How did they get so confused?
They must have been somewhere where they were taught that the carnal following of the law was the right way. It seems good. And it seems right. But its not.
A Christian should know that. How do they not know? How can a person be Christian and still have the vail over the mind when Moses is read? I sincerely don't know the answer to that one.
The Sabbath was given to Israel, not the church. The Sabbath is still Saturday, not Sunday, and has never been changed. But the Sabbath is part of the Old Testament Law. Sabbath keeping is not required of the Christian—be it Saturday or Sunday, yet certain people still insist on turning keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with stringent regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.
St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."
In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another.
Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
The early Christians began to worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10). We see from Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-3 that the early Church gathered together on the first day of every week in order to "break bread," and also to take up a "collection for the saints." Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to gather together to worship on the seventh day Sabbath. The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the Roman Catholic Church originated Christian worship on Sunday.
History records that the early Christians were worshipping on Sunday as far back as the first and second centuries A.D. For example:
"But every Lord's Day, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, so that your sacrifice may be pure." (Didache c. 80-140)
"No longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day." (Ignatius, c. 105) Ignatius here reveals that the “Lord’s Day” is separate from the Jewish Sabbath.
"I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead." (Barnabas c. 70-130)
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God... made the world. And Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead on that same day." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"There was no need of circumcision before Abraham. Nor was there need of the observance of Sabbaths, or of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses. Accordingly, there is no more need of them now." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"We do not follow the Jews in their peculiarities in regard to food nor in their sacred days." (Tertullian c. 197)
"Just as the abolition of fleshly circumcision and of the old Law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary." (Tertullian c. 197)
"On the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, you should meet more diligently, sending praise to God who made the universe by Jesus... On this day, there is the reading of the Prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, and the gift of the holy food." (Apostolic Constitutions, compiled c.390)
So the actual Sabbath day is sundown on our Friday to sundown on our Saturday.
Sabbath keeping [with all it's rules and regulations], was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant and the Sabbath day did not change from Saturday to Sunday.
Christians worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10).
We are not to get hung up on the Sabbath day, which is a shadow of things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant. Even when Christians set out to worship on the Sabbath, they aren’t truly "keeping the Sabbath." To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament would involve compliance with stringent regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If Sabbath-day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). These were commanded by God to the sons of Israel. If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person say he keeps a certain law when he keeps only part of it?
If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Christian Church? The Seventh-day Adventist church? Or the State? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under the Mosaic regulations.
St. Paul said in Galatians 4:9-11: "...You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain."
In Romans 14:1-23, the Apostle Paul says: "... One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind.." In other words, for the Christian, the Apostle is saying that no day is to be regarded holier than another.
Although the Torah was read every Saturday in the synagogues, the early Gentile Christians were never commanded to be circumcised, or to rest on Saturday as the Jews were (Acts 15:1-21).
Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
The early Christians began to worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10). We see from Acts 20:7 and I Corinthians 16:1-3 that the early Church gathered together on the first day of every week in order to "break bread," and also to take up a "collection for the saints." Nowhere in the New Testament is the Church commanded to gather together to worship on the seventh day Sabbath. The Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches that the Roman Catholic Church originated Christian worship on Sunday.
History records that the early Christians were worshipping on Sunday as far back as the first and second centuries A.D. For example:
"But every Lord's Day, gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, so that your sacrifice may be pure." (Didache c. 80-140)
"No longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day." (Ignatius, c. 105) Ignatius here reveals that the “Lord’s Day” is separate from the Jewish Sabbath.
"I will make a beginning of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. For that reason, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead." (Barnabas c. 70-130)
"And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read... But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God... made the world. And Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead on that same day." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"There was no need of circumcision before Abraham. Nor was there need of the observance of Sabbaths, or of feasts and sacrifices, before Moses. Accordingly, there is no more need of them now." (Justin Martyr c. 160)
"We do not follow the Jews in their peculiarities in regard to food nor in their sacred days." (Tertullian c. 197)
"Just as the abolition of fleshly circumcision and of the old Law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary." (Tertullian c. 197)
"On the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's Day, you should meet more diligently, sending praise to God who made the universe by Jesus... On this day, there is the reading of the Prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, and the gift of the holy food." (Apostolic Constitutions, compiled c.390)
So the actual Sabbath day is sundown on our Friday to sundown on our Saturday.
Sabbath keeping [with all it's rules and regulations], was part of a covenant with Israel that is not applicable to Christians under the New Covenant and the Sabbath day did not change from Saturday to Sunday.
Christians worship God on Sunday (the Lord's Day), because the first day of the week became associated with Christ's resurrection (Matthew 28:1-10; Luke 24:1; John 20:1; Revelation 1:10).
We are not to get hung up on the Sabbath day, which is a shadow of things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).
The world as it has become is like a big ship gone 'off course'....can it be turned at once ? No, it can not - that is why GOD takes the humble and obedient off it before it will be destroyed....by fire this time.
It is strange why the unbelievers and disobedient always use the essential services as an example of why they themselves can reject the Sabbath when they easily could keep it. Point is 'they will not submit to God at any price but look for any loophole to have their own way !
It is strange why the unbelievers and disobedient always use the essential services as an example of why they themselves can reject the Sabbath when they easily could keep it. Point is 'they will not submit to God at any price but look for any loophole to have their own way !
Let me clarify something. 
I most definitely am "open and willing" to conform to God's Word. BUT I have heard many on this site debate about when the actual Sabbath is. The OP question is blatantly obvious. WHEN is the actual Sabbath.. I'm not trying to "find a loophole to disobey God." :/
Here is why I ask. When I was a kid, our family went to church on Sundays. Most likely that was probably because everyone else went to church on Sunday. However, since I've been on this site, I've heard people say the Sabbath is on Wednesday, some say it's on Friday, Saturday or Sunday... So I want to know, once and for all, WHEN the sabbath is. So please stop assuming that I made this thread for any reason other than what was stated in my OP.
I most definitely am "open and willing" to conform to God's Word. BUT I have heard many on this site debate about when the actual Sabbath is. The OP question is blatantly obvious. WHEN is the actual Sabbath.. I'm not trying to "find a loophole to disobey God." :/Here is why I ask. When I was a kid, our family went to church on Sundays. Most likely that was probably because everyone else went to church on Sunday. However, since I've been on this site, I've heard people say the Sabbath is on Wednesday, some say it's on Friday, Saturday or Sunday... So I want to know, once and for all, WHEN the sabbath is. So please stop assuming that I made this thread for any reason other than what was stated in my OP.
The true Sabbath is not a day. It was a shadow in the Old Testament to point us to resting in Christ's work and not in our own. Jesus is our Sabbath rest.
Not resting in Christ as our true Sabbath rest is actually breaking this 4th commandment that is shown as a shadow in the law of Moses.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
Not resting in Christ as our true Sabbath rest is actually breaking this 4th commandment that is shown as a shadow in the law of Moses.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
Let me clarify something. I most definitely am "open and willing" to conform to God's Word. BUT I have heard many on this site debate about when the actual Sabbath is. The OP question is blatantly obvious. WHEN is the actual Sabbath.. I'm not trying to "find a loophole to disobey God." :/
Here is why I ask. When I was a kid, our family went to church on Sundays. Most likely that was probably because everyone else went to church on Sunday. However, since I've been on this site, I've heard people say the Sabbath is on Wednesday, some say it's on Friday, Saturday or Sunday... So I want to know, once and for all, WHEN the sabbath is. So please stop assuming that I made this thread for any reason other than what was stated in my OP.
I most definitely am "open and willing" to conform to God's Word. BUT I have heard many on this site debate about when the actual Sabbath is. The OP question is blatantly obvious. WHEN is the actual Sabbath.. I'm not trying to "find a loophole to disobey God." :/Here is why I ask. When I was a kid, our family went to church on Sundays. Most likely that was probably because everyone else went to church on Sunday. However, since I've been on this site, I've heard people say the Sabbath is on Wednesday, some say it's on Friday, Saturday or Sunday... So I want to know, once and for all, WHEN the sabbath is. So please stop assuming that I made this thread for any reason other than what was stated in my OP.
Why are people so obsessed with judaism ? christians are no different from the Pharisees always trying to 'trap Jesus. We follow the teachings of Jesus when He started His ministry, not when He lived a jewish life in obedience to the physical law of Moses.
If you don't know that good works are permitted on the sabbath you need to go back to scripture.
No, the sabbath is not a day like any other, the point being we need to put 'difference between holy and unholy.Lev 10v10
If you don't know that good works are permitted on the sabbath you need to go back to scripture.
No, the sabbath is not a day like any other, the point being we need to put 'difference between holy and unholy.Lev 10v10
So you can't do good works on any other day?
You're Christianity is in need of some help.
My Christianity allows good works every day. Do you want to hear about it?
If you can do good works on the Sabbath and any other day then there really isn't a difference between days. All days would be equal for good works.
Or can you perform extra special good works on saturdays that you can't on other days?
You're Christianity is in need of some help.
My Christianity allows good works every day. Do you want to hear about it?
If you can do good works on the Sabbath and any other day then there really isn't a difference between days. All days would be equal for good works.
Or can you perform extra special good works on saturdays that you can't on other days?