Anger - A sin or a justified response
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I think it's sad that some people can call people insane and delusional and see nothing wrong with their words or judgments already made about the other people in their heart.
It comes up because you made a thread and then falsely represented what I believed.
Anyone can read the words and see the truth for themselves.
I have NEVER stated that I "consider anger murder"
I have stated consistently and clearly that anger if allowed to fester overnight leads to Satan building spiritual strongholds that leads to murder of TRUE AGAPE love for another person in the heart.
In other words, unresolved anger leads to murder.
Only God can change our hearts and minds to experience His love and not the pale shadow the world refers to as love.
For even the world love those who love them.
Jesus tells us to love our enemies and those who revile and falsely accuse us. Many don't have Jesus type love. They call it "hyper legalism" to be told to examine their hearts and see if God would find murder within.
It comes up because you made a thread and then falsely represented what I believed.
Anyone can read the words and see the truth for themselves.
I have NEVER stated that I "consider anger murder"
I have stated consistently and clearly that anger if allowed to fester overnight leads to Satan building spiritual strongholds that leads to murder of TRUE AGAPE love for another person in the heart.
In other words, unresolved anger leads to murder.
Only God can change our hearts and minds to experience His love and not the pale shadow the world refers to as love.
For even the world love those who love them.
Jesus tells us to love our enemies and those who revile and falsely accuse us. Many don't have Jesus type love. They call it "hyper legalism" to be told to examine their hearts and see if God would find murder within.
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Some folks need to refrain from evil speaking...
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/151868-cure-evil-speaking.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/151868-cure-evil-speaking.html
I think God knows we are angry people as sinners that are frustrated having not received our new incorruptible bodies which will not lust after sin. It is he that corrutped the whole creation
The Ephesians (king James) verse appears to be commandment” Be angry” and let the sun not go down on “our wrath”,
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
That seemed to be out of place and is somthing that needed to be looked at.
In James we are informed mans anger does not bring about the righteous life required.
The NIV seems to have a better way confirming we are angry and not letting the sun go down again confirming the anger twice..
26 “In your anger do not sin”[d]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold.. Eph 4:26 NIV
Many say we should be angry like the King James verse, seeing God gets angry and we are created in his image. That gives a foothold for the father of lies
God says vengeance is His .
The Ephesians (king James) verse appears to be commandment” Be angry” and let the sun not go down on “our wrath”,
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
That seemed to be out of place and is somthing that needed to be looked at.
In James we are informed mans anger does not bring about the righteous life required.
The NIV seems to have a better way confirming we are angry and not letting the sun go down again confirming the anger twice..
26 “In your anger do not sin”[d]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold.. Eph 4:26 NIV
Many say we should be angry like the King James verse, seeing God gets angry and we are created in his image. That gives a foothold for the father of lies
God says vengeance is His .
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These type of statements are evil speaking and sinful. They are false observations from a heart that refuses to admit he was hurt by their words and is lashing out at them still.
Even if they were true, they would still be backbitting whisphers because they state you believe others to be insane.
If I told you that you were insane, would you be offended?
It would be easy to show how you often "draw the wrong conclusions about the wrong thing".
Yet most people have the respect and love of God in their heart not to label you insane.
(though I am sure many question my sanity for continuing to engage you. Maybe it is useless to help you develop some social skills or show you how your words show your contempt for others.)
If what you have for them (those you label as insane and nutcases) is love, I wonder what your hatred looks like.
Even if they were true, they would still be backbitting whisphers because they state you believe others to be insane.
If I told you that you were insane, would you be offended?
It would be easy to show how you often "draw the wrong conclusions about the wrong thing".
Yet most people have the respect and love of God in their heart not to label you insane.
(though I am sure many question my sanity for continuing to engage you. Maybe it is useless to help you develop some social skills or show you how your words show your contempt for others.)
If what you have for them (those you label as insane and nutcases) is love, I wonder what your hatred looks like.
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There is an anger that originates from man's flesh. This is what is a work of the flesh and it stops us from experiencing the kingdom of God in our lives like it is meant to while on this earth.
Anger manifested in calling people names, exhibiting malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ and insulting them in our hostility are all works of the flesh and it is categorized as filthiness and wickedness.
This is why I treat some people's posts that manifest this type of behavior in the same way I do when porn ads pop up on my PC from time to time.
They are filled with filthiness and wickedness. Simply don't interact with them and engage them and thus we will guard our hearts from this filthiness.
James 1:19-21 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls.
Anger manifested in calling people names, exhibiting malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ and insulting them in our hostility are all works of the flesh and it is categorized as filthiness and wickedness.
This is why I treat some people's posts that manifest this type of behavior in the same way I do when porn ads pop up on my PC from time to time.
They are filled with filthiness and wickedness. Simply don't interact with them and engage them and thus we will guard our hearts from this filthiness.
James 1:19-21 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all filthiness and all that remains of wickedness, in humility receive the word implanted, which is able to save your souls.
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looks like op meant chapter 5 not 6. thought something was left out so had to look for self, angry without a cause is what i thought. Like if someone spits in face we'll get angry, if we knock them out we are being angry and sinning. If we say thanks, gotta hanky we are doing as word says. Oh man hope i never get put in that position because i know the right thing to do, but not sure if i can do it. help me Jesus.
Ariel, it appears to me you were accusing me of saying "then it would be okay for you to murder nonbelievers."
Now the thread is about anger, so you are linking anger to murder. That is what I am
reading conceptually from your statements.
Jesus links saying "you fool" to a believer risks being sent to hell.
You appear to want to make this very personal. I feel you are trying to condemn of
sin.
And the sin is saying a certain belief system is insane, irrational you find a terrible thing
to say.
Some time ago someone said pride was an issue in someone else.
I wonder if the term hyper-legalism has hurt someones pride because it might be true.
Jesus did not say anger was sinful, just certain contexts.
Now if you can show me more than this, I will happily study it.
God bless you.
Now the thread is about anger, so you are linking anger to murder. That is what I am
reading conceptually from your statements.
Jesus links saying "you fool" to a believer risks being sent to hell.
You appear to want to make this very personal. I feel you are trying to condemn of
sin.
And the sin is saying a certain belief system is insane, irrational you find a terrible thing
to say.
Some time ago someone said pride was an issue in someone else.
I wonder if the term hyper-legalism has hurt someones pride because it might be true.
Jesus did not say anger was sinful, just certain contexts.
Now if you can show me more than this, I will happily study it.
God bless you.
Delusion - God the righteous will accept man the sinner with no commitment to stop sinning.
Delusional thinking.
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
1 Thess 2:11
Jesus brings us righteousness so we can walk righteously.
Delusional thinking.
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
1 Thess 2:11
Jesus brings us righteousness so we can walk righteously.
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In response to this post:
Peter says:
Are you ignoring the fact JESUS is talking about the COMMANDMENT NOT TO MURDER?
It is about what God says and what God calls sin.
If you say that verse only applies to those you consider brothers and sisters, then the others do too and Jesus isn't talking about murder of humans at all, just the brethren.
So your assumption of what Jesus means is illogical and just a means to justify yourself.
Peter says:
Are you ignoring the fact JESUS is talking about the COMMANDMENT NOT TO MURDER?
It is about what God says and what God calls sin.
If you say that verse only applies to those you consider brothers and sisters, then the others do too and Jesus isn't talking about murder of humans at all, just the brethren.
So your assumption of what Jesus means is illogical and just a means to justify yourself.
The peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
Phil 4:7
My feelings are I love Christ and I hope and pray all others will do likewise.
I have no animosity to anyone and I forgive everyone the words or
hurt and anger they have had towards me or still do.
I raised this thread because anger is a very important issue.
And no I have not murdered anybody, and yes I regard certain belief
systems as nuts.
There was a guy on cc who claimed he could speak things into existance.
Another claimed if you are ill and you say you are ill, you will be ill.
Most people would say you are nuts. Being ill defines what you are, saying
it is just confirming what is happening not its source.
Now I hope you can have the grace to see love does conquer all, though it
appears those who believe in super grace find it very difficult to apply and
see evil in everyone else when Christ sees opportunity and the potential
for mercy and salvation.
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 cor 1:18
We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!
1 cor 4:10
I want to praise the Lord that I am considered worthy to be dishonored for preaching
His word faithfully, Amen.
Phil 4:7
My feelings are I love Christ and I hope and pray all others will do likewise.
I have no animosity to anyone and I forgive everyone the words or
hurt and anger they have had towards me or still do.
I raised this thread because anger is a very important issue.
And no I have not murdered anybody, and yes I regard certain belief
systems as nuts.
There was a guy on cc who claimed he could speak things into existance.
Another claimed if you are ill and you say you are ill, you will be ill.
Most people would say you are nuts. Being ill defines what you are, saying
it is just confirming what is happening not its source.
Now I hope you can have the grace to see love does conquer all, though it
appears those who believe in super grace find it very difficult to apply and
see evil in everyone else when Christ sees opportunity and the potential
for mercy and salvation.
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1 cor 1:18
We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!
1 cor 4:10
I want to praise the Lord that I am considered worthy to be dishonored for preaching
His word faithfully, Amen.
Do not murder is obviously a commandment against murdering anyone.
So why did Jesus raise the point specifically at believers.
That is my question. It seems odd if he meant it to be a general command.
That is what I am wondering.
And I am not justifying myself because I have not got anger against anyone.
So why did Jesus raise the point specifically at believers.
That is my question. It seems odd if he meant it to be a general command.
That is what I am wondering.
And I am not justifying myself because I have not got anger against anyone.
If sin cannot be resolved and it is acceptable to stay as you are in ones behaviour,
this is approving of a sinful walk.
Now it is up to the readers to decide who is teaching what and is this true.
Does this mean you do not agree with the Holiness movement or groups throughout
church history who have emphasised a pure walk?
this is approving of a sinful walk.
Now it is up to the readers to decide who is teaching what and is this true.
Does this mean you do not agree with the Holiness movement or groups throughout
church history who have emphasised a pure walk?