Son's of God Genesis 6:1-8

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In Luke 1:2 Luke himself states that the testimony he is delivering is from the eyewitnesses who delivered the things that was/is believed among them. You keep saying that he was delivered this "by inspiration",,,not that I am arguing but rather in light of the wording of Luke himself declaring that he received the testimony from eyewitnesses is there other scripture to support him having received his writings(Luke and Acts) by inspiration,i.e. inspiration/by the Holy Ghost ?
Paul tells us that ALL scripture is given by the inspiration of God. If both Luke and Acts are indeed scripture then it is so by the inspiration of God.
 
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Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

I have not studied this too much,but I believe when it refers to the sons of God,that it is spiritual beings,and not speaking of the sons of Seth,for if they were godly men,why did it produce such ungodly people to where they were evil continually,especially if the men were in charge and were godly,and if they were godly why would they mingle with those who are ungodly,and how would it produce men of old,men of reknown.

But with evil spirits it would make sense,but I do not believe that the evil spirits themselves had sex with the women,for there could be no offspring from that union,but that the evil spirits possessed the men,and had sex with the women through the men,and that is why it caused such wicked people,for it was the evil spirits affecting mankind,to where they eventually all became evil continuously.

This will happen again when God gives the world a certain amount of time to have their way,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and then He can end this sin business on earth.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Jesus said that the end time will be like the days of Noah,and points out that it will be business as usual and not heeding the saints preaching the end time and get right with God,like they did not heed Noah and get right with God,but it could be that they did not heed being influenced by a devil,so the end time being like the days of Noah might relate to what happened before the flood,the evil spirits influencing mankind until all who do not love God are continually evil like the days of Noah,and that is why they follow the beast kingdom.

Rev 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Rev 9:14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Rev 9:15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
Rev 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

The 6 trumpets are 6 disasters that happen on earth that the world knows about,and are 6 warnings to the world to turn to God,but after the 6th trumpet they do not turn to God,but keep trying to solve their own problems despite all the problems that occur on earth,so after the 6th trumpet God allows the man of sin,beast,to rule over them,and deceive all who do not love Him.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

When the world does not turn to God to help them refusing to believe the truth,God will allow the man of sin,beast,to rule over them,and war breaks out in heaven,and the devils are cast to earth,and deceive all who do not love God to follow the beast kingdom.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The earth becomes the holding cell of the devils,and they will deceive all people who do not love God,strong delusion,a delusion they cannot snap out of.

It will be like the days of Noah when the evil spirits influenced mankind to where they were continually evil,for when the devils deceive all people who do not love God to follow the beast,and they take the mark of the beast,then repentance,and salvation is no longer available to them,and then they have the nature of a devil,and their human will is gone for they forfeited their human will and they will only behave like the devil would behave,and they will be continually evil.

Like the evil spirits that influenced mankind before the flood,and they became continually evil,the evil spirits will again influence mankind at the beast kingdom,and they will be continually evil,in which no actions will come from their human will,no resistance,for they will only act as the devil would act.

They thought that taking the mark was a good thing,and felt good about it,elated,the beast would establish a kingdom that would never topple,would always survive,and prosper,and he would restore all the occult powers that mankind lost through the ages to them,and they would be greater than ever,like Satan tempted Eve to cause her to believe if she ate the fruit that she would be greater than the current position that God put her in.

But when they took the mark their being changed drastically.All elation dissipated,any feelings of good,and well being slipped away,and they felt cold,and empty,bitter,and hateful,for now they have the nature of a devil,and now they know how the devil feels with the anger,and hatefulness,and bitterness,and emptiness,and coldness,and they only act like a devil,with no human will of their own,and they cannot resist,resistance is futile like the borg from Star Trek,for they are completely controlled by a devil,as the man of sin.

In Genesis 6,I believe it is evil spirits that influenced mankind to the point of them being continually evil,for it makes the best sense,and I do not believe that it is referring to the people of Seth as the sons of God,because of the description of the condition of mankind that was so terrible that God wiped them out.

Only by the influencing of the evil spirits could they be so wicked and terrible,and right now Satan is on a leash,but when God allows the world to have their way to cause all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,the leash is taken off him,and the devils will wreck havoc with the world,but for now he is restrained from having that much control.

When the world says Peace and safety,then sudden destruction comes upon them,and they shall not escape,and that starts the deception upon the world to cause the people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,thinking that it is the best operation of the world,which will start with the ten horn kingdom,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,but they will fail at obtaining peace on earth,especially the 6th trumpet,and the world turns to the beast.

But Paul said the elect will not be deceived when they say Peace and safety,knowing it is not the operation of God,and Jesus said He will deliver all those in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon all the world,to try all them that dwell upon the earth.

It is the point of decision for the whole world,which the elect will be delivered from that temptation,and the world will not be forced,but it is a temptation for the rest of the world,and for three and one half years the world can still be saved,so the saints reaching out to the world to tell them now about this decision point when they say Peace and safety might be to the saving of their soul,for they might believe then when it happens,and not follow the world,but get right with Christ.

2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The evil spirits are retrained now from having too much influence in the world,but that restrain will be lifted,and then it will be like the days of Noah for the evil spirits will influence all who do not love God,and they will be continually evil.

That is how I understand it,for it seems to make sense.
 

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he omitted a key part of the Mt 22 30 passage "In heaven"

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

IMO Gen 6 is pretty clear that all this took place in this world and not the heavens.
Lets follow that logic, if they are not in heaven, they are fallen angels, meaning they have given up their status as sons of God and have by association become sons/children of satan/devil as John speaks of in his first epistle "By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother."

Once they left heaven to follow the devil or do whatever God did not intend for them to do, they are no longer children/sons of God, they are children/sons of the devil. Besides form Eve or "her seed" was to bring forth the Messiah, which according to Genesis 4:26 Abel was the line for that seed and Seth became the line because Cain killed Able. There is no mention of judgement on fallen angels only on man as a whole, except Noah and his family, for what reason Noah, he was one of the line of Seth. Everything in the OT is about the coming Messiah and His people, everything in the NT is about the returning Messiah and His people or how they should live.
 

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Actually, angels are referred to as "sons of God" but you just refuse to acknowledge it.
"For to which of the angels did He ever say, 'YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU'”? Hebrews 1:5
The answer to this question posed by the writer is NONE. This tells us two things. First that God had not designated the term son any angel. Second that he has not declared any angel as begotten. Angels are never referred to as sons. This is an idea that everyone is attempting to force into the text and it simply is not there.

If those in Gen 6 are the offspring of angels, where did the angels come from. If those in Job i and 2 are angels, where dos the text tell us this?
 
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"For to which of the angels did He ever say, 'YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU'”? Hebrews 1:5
The answer to this question posed by the writer is NONE. This tells us two things. First that God had not designated the term son any angel. Second that he has not declared any angel as begotten. Angels are never referred to as sons. This is an idea that everyone is attempting to force into the text and it simply is not there.

If those in Gen 6 are the offspring of angels, where did the angels come from. If those in Job i and 2 are angels, where dos the text tell us this?

They are simply not "sons of God" in the same reference as Jesus, who was and is God himself. The angels are still the sons of God, just not in the same respect that Jesus was/is in relation to the Father. We have the scriptures that I previously mentioned and we have the prophecies of Enoch, which goes into great detail about this event with the sons of God, the angels, the watchers of heaven. The book of Enoch itself used to be a part of the scriptures up to the third century.

You are ignoring the other scriptures and their inferences. The sons of God was not speaking of men, but of other angels and Satan came among them. You would be hard pressed to make the sons of God as referring to men. Even some of the major translations interpret the sons of God as heavenly beings and as angels.
 
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Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The angels are considered sons of God,and as it was pointed out,not the same as Jesus,for He is the only begotten Son of God,the only human to ever be conceived by the Holy Spirit,and an angel is not begotten by God,that He is God manifest in an angelic body,but Jesus is the only begotten Son of God,for He is the only human conceived by the Spirit,and saints are considered sons of God,not begotten,but adopted to be sons.

Jesus is the only one begotten by God,for He is the only one God ever manifested Himself in a visible manifestation.

God never manifested Himself in a visible form but Jesus,and God appeared before Abraham twice in human form,but not begotten,for they were without mother or father,but God prepared a body from the dust,and when He used the body for His purpose it went back to dust.
 

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They are simply not "sons of God" in the same reference as Jesus, who was and is God himself. The angels are still the sons of God, just not in the same respect that Jesus was/is in relation to the Father. We have the scriptures that I previously mentioned and we have the prophecies of Enoch, which goes into great detail about this event with the sons of God, the angels, the watchers of heaven. The book of Enoch itself used to be a part of the scriptures up to the third century.

You are ignoring the other scriptures and their inferences. The sons of God was not speaking of men, but of other angels and Satan came among them. You would be hard pressed to make the sons of God as referring to men. Even some of the major translations interpret the sons of God as heavenly beings and as angels.
The point is God does not call them 'son'. The Hebrew writer does not qualify this. Like I have said over and over and over, every time you see the term 'sons of God' in scripture where there is an antecedent, the antecedent is always man.

Rom. 8:14, "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God."
Rom. 8:19, "For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God."
Gal. 3:26, "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus."
Matt 5:9, "“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."
1Jn. 3:1, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be
called the sons of God
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Phil, 2:15, "That you may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God,"
Jn. 1:12, "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the
sons of God, even to them that believe on his name."

There is no such construction ever found in scripture that designates angels as sons of God. We have to allow scripture to define its own use of language. We are never permitted to assign our own definition to biblical terms.

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If those in Gen 6 are the offspring of angels, where did the angels come from. If those in Job 1 and 2 are angels, where dos the text tell us this?
 

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...............Yes, it is an interesting “contradiction” to say that angels are sexless and then to say that the “sons of God” were fallen angels who procreated with human females. However, while angels are spiritual beings (Hebrews 1:14), they can appear in human, physical form (Mark 16:5).
The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot (Genesis 19:1-5). It is plausible that angels are capable of taking on human form, even to the point of replicating human sexuality and possibly even reproduction. Why do the fallen angels not do this more often? It seems that God imprisoned the fallen angels who committed this evil sin, so that the other fallen angels would not do the same (as described in Jude 6).
Earlier Hebrew interpreters and apocryphal and pseudopigraphal writings are unanimous in holding to the view that fallen angels are the “sons of God” mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. This by no means closes the debate. However, the view that Genesis 6:1-4 involves fallen angels mating with human females has a strong contextual, grammatical, and historical basis.

The men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the angels....so much so that LOT offered his virgin daughters if the men would not rape the angels....

MANY miss the fact that there is a CELESTIAL BODY and an EARTHLY BODY.........just saying......
I like how this adds to what i found. It seems to fit, based on the fact that they needed to resort to such an offer.... which would spare the angels from the same punishment as those mentioned in Jude 6.


Jude 6-7: And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

It likens the actions of the chained angels to those of Sodom and Gomorrah, so clearly those angels mentioned were guilty of committing the same types of evils as S&G, sexual immorality and going after a strange flesh.... which is why these angels are in chains. So it is of a sexual nature.
 
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The point is God does not call them 'son'
He called lucifer son of the morning which is one of the descriptions of Jesus.

Not that the two are related or the same by any stretch of the imagination, none the less lucifer at one time was the leader of all created beings and was highly anointed.

For this purposes was the eternal lake of fire created for satan's incarceration along with all those that are part of him including humans since everything produces after its own kind.
 
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The men of Sodom wanted to have sex with the angels....so much so that LOT offered his virgin daughters if the men would not rape the angels....

MANY miss the fact that there is a CELESTIAL BODY and an EARTHLY BODY.........just saying......
exactly DC. one more thing about the men of Sodom, they were the ancestors of Canaan. and the land of Canaan was full of nephilim.
 
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I like how this adds to what i found. It seems to fit, based on the fact that they needed to resort to such an offer.... which would spare the angels from the same punishment as those mentioned in Jude 6.


Jude 6-7: And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

It likens the actions of the chained angels to those of Sodom and Gomorrah, so clearly those angels mentioned were guilty of committing the same types of evils as S&G, sexual immorality and going after a strange flesh.... which is why these angels are in chains. So it is of a sexual nature.
Peter also speaks on the angels that sinned
2 Peter 2 4-10
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hella and committed them to chainsb of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;c 7and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8(for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials,d and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10and especially those who indulgee in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.
 

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Son of God was just about never applied to any man but Adam and Jesus. To be a son of God(except in a metaphoric sense) one CANNOT have a human father. Men were identified by the name of their father, son of God means they came directly from God and not through a human father.
This is a really great post that needs to be bumped :)
 

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And there is one more view, that the sons of God were the ancient men with power who had so huge life-spans that they looked like they are not getting old
Reminds me a bit of Aragorn from Lord of the rings :)
 

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ויראו בני־האלהים

Here above is from the second verse of the chapter. It says, literally in the original Hebrew, the sons of Elohim........Elohim is oft used for one appellation of God, however it means also "the mighty ones," which is a general reference to gods in thoe day of the writing.

Thus elohim may be God or god or gods. I believe I understand by the context, however a teaching from our Master, Yeshua, or Jesus, tells us that in Heaven there is no giving or taking of wives etc.....so keep all in mind when jumping to a conclusion.

There is more references but this takes study of the Word in prayer and revelation by the Holy Spirit. You do not need to know Hebrw or Greek, masstering your own tongue makes you more than prepared.
 
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who were the sons of the Most High in Psalm 82?
 

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We are not talking about Genesis. We are talking about Luke's inspired account of the linage of Jesus. The Greek is quite clear. None of the other links of the genealogy are supplied with "the son," yet you do not question that. The translators are all correct in their translation of this text. Each person of the genealogy is linked to his predecessor as the "son of". Why do feel this is somehow different in the case of Adam?
They could also be grand sons or even adopted sons. English just do not have a common word for that so it must use the word "son". But it is not there in Greek.

Greek says "who was of Adam, who was of God" etc.

Adam was not the son of God, God created Adam. And he is never called like that.


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In Genesis, it means something else, it is not any kind of genealogy. Its a name for the beings:

ἰδόντες δὲ οἱ υἱοὶ τοῦ Θεοῦ τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἀνθρώπων ὅτι καλαί εἰσιν
"When the sons of God were seeing the daughters of humans"

-> I do not know how to find humans saw humans in this verse...
 
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"just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."

Look at the construction of the text. "Which likewise indulged in sexual immorality" is not linking Sodom and Gomorrah to the angels who left their first estate, it is linking the behavior of the "surrounding cities" to the like behavior of Sodom and Gomorrah.

But we should focus on the punctuation used here, specifically ";" - this joins both of them together.


"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

V8 starts with "Likewise also..."

The subject is sexual immorality.
The angels are mentioned here as is Sodom & Gomorrah (plus surrounding cities).
Punishment is mentioned for both

Why would the angels be mentioned if they were not relevant in this point made?
 
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Scripture also tells us that God has never called angels 'sons'.
I think that the epistle to Hebrews says something slightly different:

Τίνι γὰρ εἶπέν ποτε τῶν ἀγγέλων Υἱός μου εἶ σύ, ἐγὼ σήμερον γεγέννηκά σε;

Its a special kind of individual fathership that applies only to the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

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That verse is not about the same thing like for example in the book Job:

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD..."
Job 1:6 from Hebrew

Καὶ ἐγένετο ὡς ἡ ἡμέρα αὕτη, καὶ ἰδοὺ ἦλθον οἱ ἄγγελοι τοῦ Θεοῦ παραστῆναι ἐνώπιον τοῦ Κυρίου
Job 1:6 translated to Greek

-> sons of God was a term for angels, as proven by the Septuagint
 
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JaumeJ

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Here is a thought.

Imagine arriving to the Kingdom only to find it is run like the US!

What an horrible notion.

I want God-s version, the real deal, a Kingdom with the Perfect King, amen! Halleluyah!
 

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I like how this adds to what i found. It seems to fit, based on the fact that they needed to resort to such an offer.... which would spare the angels from the same punishment as those mentioned in Jude 6.


Jude 6-7: And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

It likens the actions of the chained angels to those of Sodom and Gomorrah, so clearly those angels mentioned were guilty of committing the same types of evils as S&G, sexual immorality and going after a strange flesh.... which is why these angels are in chains. So it is of a sexual nature.
I don't think you are looking at this verse exactly right. It is a simple matter of grammatical syntax. Look at the construction of the text. "Which likewise indulged in sexual immorality" is not linking Sodom and Gomorrah to the angels who left their first estate, it is linking the behavior of the "surrounding cities" to the like behavior of Sodom and Gomorrah. The sin of the angels is specified simply as having left their "own position of authority" not sexual immorality.

"And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."