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Post 159.
And, up to this point, there is only one person on here who thinks, "God chooses those people on purpose to be rejecting Him." Me!
Despite that fact, every single Calvinist on this thread is being blamed for that. So, are you sure about that? Seems to me, I could start blaming every single Armenian for also being a works-salvationist too, however, that wouldn't be fair either. Nor truthful!
And, NONE of us believe God's decisions are arbitrary, and yet you say we all do.
Got to ask you -- as often as you get annoyed at Stephen for misrepresenting your POV, why would you misrepresent other people's POV? It really is most annoying!
Post 159.
And, up to this point, there is only one person on here who thinks, "God chooses those people on purpose to be rejecting Him." Me!
Despite that fact, every single Calvinist on this thread is being blamed for that. So, are you sure about that? Seems to me, I could start blaming every single Armenian for also being a works-salvationist too, however, that wouldn't be fair either. Nor truthful!
And, NONE of us believe God's decisions are arbitrary, and yet you say we all do.
Got to ask you -- as often as you get annoyed at Stephen for misrepresenting your POV, why would you misrepresent other people's POV? It really is most annoying!
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Jesus absolutely died for everyone. The Bible says so. It also says he that BELIEVES will be saved.Whosoever will may come. Otherwise the Bible lies when it says He died for all and loves all.It means God made disposable people. And He went through a whole lot of who shot John for no reason. If He chose people for heaven why create earth? Why have all this war,death sin and heartache. Just take the righteous and keep them up there in heaven. Ridiculous.Christ died for all,giving all the opportunity to accept or reject Him. If we have no choice then how can we say we love God? If I forced you to love me,is that God like? No,that is not Gods character.He is not Allah,forcing you to choose Him.It is a free gift you can accept or reject.
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I do not "answer" your verses because I do not need to, I accept them all 
I am not sure what you mean by "you dismiss them".
But my context/picture of the whole grand scheme of things is probably very different from yours.
I am not sure what you mean by "you dismiss them".But my context/picture of the whole grand scheme of things is probably very different from yours.
Yes,Im sure you ideas are very different from mine,but what matters is what does the Word say?
Then why do a lot of people die without salvation? If Christ had died for them they surely would be saved, Christ's death wasn't to make salvation posssible for all of mankind as you'd have us believe, it was to effectively save those the Father before the foundation of the world had elected to be His people, and I think you'll find this is the biblical perspective.
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So, with your "logic," we're supposed to throw out "elect" from the Bible, we're supposed to introduce new characters into the Bible, ("throwaway disposable people"), oh, and apparently add in some drug addicts, and prostitutes, (granted already got prostitutes in it, but you personally want what you deem as the filthiest people for God to reject, and somehow that's the addicts and prostitutes), suddenly you can't find a single verse in there that can possibly tell you if God did save you, and you're STILL out and out lying about what we are saying to fill in your fantasy, but, hey! You're doing great, right? Because you have a personal god who only loves, doesn't ever, ever, hate, and hey, let's just cut the Bible down to one single verse in the middle of a long speech by Jesus!
Your arrogance and deafness is overwhelming today!
YOU HEAR US! YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING!
Your arrogance and deafness is overwhelming today!
YOU HEAR US! YOU LIE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING!
God electing people to salvation doesn't mean he's unjust, everyone is born a sinner and dead already, they're all already condemmned, God out of those people mercifully saves some of them, grace isn't justice, if we were all to get justice we would all go to hell, it's only by God's grace that some of us are saved.
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Amazing how that works, huh? Right after the part about God predestines comes the part where God loves Jacob and hates Esau, even before they were born.
Good news. No such thing as chance. God IS sovereign and knows what he is doing! Good deal for us, because we deserve separation from God, death, and hell for what we've done, (which also wasn't chance. We intentionally sinned), and yet the merciful God saved us without reneging on his righteousness.
Good news. No such thing as chance. God IS sovereign and knows what he is doing! Good deal for us, because we deserve separation from God, death, and hell for what we've done, (which also wasn't chance. We intentionally sinned), and yet the merciful God saved us without reneging on his righteousness.
Even in the OT, God gave people a chance or a choice to turn and live...He said he didn't have any pleasure in the death of the wicked. He even sent his only begotten Son to die for us that whomsoever will believe shall not perish.
[h=1]Ezekiel 33:11-12King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?[/FONT]
[h=1]Ezekiel 33:11-12King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?[/FONT]
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Theo = God.
ism = belief system.
Theism is belief in God.
The problems develop when people start creating a God much easier to take. (Honestly? I'd find God much easier to take, if he didn't go off and harden Pharaoh's heart. I'd find him much easier to take if he didn't kill all those Egyptians, and then Israelites, and then enemies of Israelites. BUT that is not the real God if I wipe out what he really did in my mind, so I have to accept that is the one and only God, and ask for him to give me the ability to accept that about him, until he gives me the understanding he has, that I don't. So, I'm not entirely unaware of why people create their own images of God. I just can't accept trying to change God to fit us.)
ism = belief system.
Theism is belief in God.
The problems develop when people start creating a God much easier to take. (Honestly? I'd find God much easier to take, if he didn't go off and harden Pharaoh's heart. I'd find him much easier to take if he didn't kill all those Egyptians, and then Israelites, and then enemies of Israelites. BUT that is not the real God if I wipe out what he really did in my mind, so I have to accept that is the one and only God, and ask for him to give me the ability to accept that about him, until he gives me the understanding he has, that I don't. So, I'm not entirely unaware of why people create their own images of God. I just can't accept trying to change God to fit us.)
