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"Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation,
a) I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith
b) that was once for all delivered to the saints.
c) For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people,
d) who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
e) Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt,
f) afterward destroyed those who did not believe. "
Jude 1
You have it pretty much all here.
1. Faith is the gift of God, given to saints once for all (God's side)
2. But it is necessary to warn the saints that they must fight for their faith (our side)
3. Certain people were designated for the condemnation (God's side)
4. These designated people pervert the grace of our Lord (our side)
5. Jesus saved people from Egypt.
6. And then Jesus destroyed those who did not believe.
So why are you still arguing which one is it. Its both!
a) I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith
b) that was once for all delivered to the saints.
c) For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people,
d) who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
e) Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt,
f) afterward destroyed those who did not believe. "
Jude 1
You have it pretty much all here.
1. Faith is the gift of God, given to saints once for all (God's side)
2. But it is necessary to warn the saints that they must fight for their faith (our side)
3. Certain people were designated for the condemnation (God's side)
4. These designated people pervert the grace of our Lord (our side)
5. Jesus saved people from Egypt.
6. And then Jesus destroyed those who did not believe.
So why are you still arguing which one is it. Its both!
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Again there's only so much you can do, you tell them the truth, show them scripture, but they just don't seem to understand it, so at that point it's not up to me to change people's mind any more, only the holy spirit can do that and I do believe no one can see these truths if the holy spirit doesn't show them.
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Thank you I really liked your explanation, it seems clear. Reaching this point, and after all the contributions of all of you awesome people, somehow I was already thinking that BOTH answers (that we have full free will and everything is already decided by God since the beginning of times) are both true in the infinite Mystery and Wisdom of Creation. We don't need to understand it with our limited brains, just rely on these few moments in life when the heart trascends human sentiment and feels a glimpse of Understanding, fleeting as it may be, based on the fact that we don't really need to acknowledge everything, just follow what God tells us to do, follow our hearts (not the liar heart, the purified heart of God in us). We are sheep after all following a Shepherd who is greater than us so let it be, let it go, let us be sheep and follow God and enjoy God. Ain't that a beautiful fact? Many many many blessings!!!
i had to get you off that 666 likes, but anyway, we don't really understand who we are or what we are clearly enough to get the big picture. i've said in the past that God turned Adam and Eve loose in the garden on their own, without his help to take care of the garden., his first command to them was to be fruitful and multiply. something they had to do on their own without his help. A parable or example; you purchased two rabbits, took them home, put them in a cage, and you tell them, even though they don't understand., to get to it ,mate,and make little rabbits. what more can you do except watch. the outcome of their character depends on them.,but God knows how you are going to turn out, and what direction you are heading in.Then he knows how to use you.
it would be all crappola, without the bible.
yes you can have an opinion. but what good is an opinion, if it always falls short of basic bible school, it again would call for your own rendition of crappola. being an echoing gong of someone else s life and works, and never reaching your own call or worth in god. etc
yes you can have an opinion. but what good is an opinion, if it always falls short of basic bible school, it again would call for your own rendition of crappola. being an echoing gong of someone else s life and works, and never reaching your own call or worth in god. etc
