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People have a choice. Just because Christ died for all doesn't mean everyone is saved. God wont force people to accept him. The father provided us a way to be saved through his son. What you are basically saying is some people are predestined to Hell which contradicts scripture when God said "Whosoever" calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. God desires for "No One" to perish but "All" should reach repentance.
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Lynn you know how I feel about you. I am not a liar and I dont not appreciate you making that accusation.I would never,ever say such a thing about you. That grieves my spirit deeply sister.
Please answer the following verses...
No.I do not believe in irresistible grace. God is not a dictator. God is not Allah. We choose to accept the free gift.
Pr. 11 says "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise."
Why try to win souls if God already elected who will be saved?
2 Peter 3 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[a] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
What does long suffering mean? If He already elected who will be saved why does He need to be long suffering? Its already in the bag,the job is done.
Timothy 2 "... it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
No purpose to this verse whatsoever. Tear it out,its a lie.He already chose who would be saved so He doesn't desire all to be saved. This verse is a big fat lie.
John 3 "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Crystal clear, he who believes is saved,he who does not is not saved.
1 John 2 "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world."
1 Tim.2 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself a ransom for all
John 3 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
Hebrews 2 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
John 3 16 that we learn in Sunday school says "for God so loved that He gave His only Son that whosoever believeth . Choice,he that believes will be saved. The Bible is clear.
Is.53 "All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
We have all gone astray and He paid for all our sins. Why did Jesus have to shed His blood?! He died in vein. The elect will be saved so why did He have to be maimed? No,the Bible does not teach this doctrine,period.
[h=1]Isaiah 1:18-20King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.[/FONT]
[FONT="]19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.[/FONT]
[h=1]Ephesians 2English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]By Grace Through Faith[/h][FONT="]2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Everyone outside of Christ is dead in trespasses and sins, and everyone is condemmned in Adam already, and sentenced to hell already, God doesn't do anyone wrong if they go to hell, they go to hell for their sin that comes from their sinful nature already, out of those people God sovereignely and mercifuly by His grace saves some out of those, that's the gospel.[/FONT]
Everyone outside of Christ is dead in trespasses and sins, and everyone is condemmned in Adam already, and sentenced to hell already, God doesn't do anyone wrong if they go to hell, they go to hell for their sin that comes from their sinful nature already, out of those people God sovereignely and mercifuly by His grace saves some out of those, that's the gospel.[/FONT]
If I put a million $ in a bank account for you, and you refuse to ever acknowledge that money is waiting for you to spend..... does that mean I didn't put it there for you? No, it means you just thumbed your nose at the financial loss I incurred for your benefit. I still lost the money. And it was done for you, not for me.
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Oh but we are heretics, don't you know? Because why would God draw people and have them respond in reciprocity to His great love? Right? It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance, but no... man doesn't repent. No.... 
I don't see everything that goes on on this site, but I have never seen anyone call anyone else on here a heretic. (True, Preach did call the guy you linked to a heretic, but that guy isn't on here.) What I do find interesting is that both of you keep claiming everyone is calling you a heretic often on threads where the only time that word is used is from one of your mouths/keyboards.
That said, in your very next breath, you managed to lie about a whole bunch of people just to make sure you get to tell everyone what you want to believe they are saying wrong.
And what would you get out of this message, (if you hadn't put me on ignored)? "Oh, she's calling me a liar. Must report!"
If you don't want to be called on lies, STOP LYING!!!
And to be clear which parts of what you said here was a lie, these are the things you're saying others are saying, and yet no one has said any of them, except you in your passive-aggressive way:
1. Oh but we are heretics, don't you know?
2. Because why would God draw people and have them respond in reciprocity to His great love? Right?
3. It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance, but no...
4. man doesn't repent. No....
Clear enough?
No one who has his eyes open and sees his sin and at the same time sees God's holiness and contrasts them, sees the law, sees where their sin gets them, when presented the gospel and Jesus Christ rejects it, because again men are dead in their sins and transgressions and cannot see it that's why they don't accept God's truth and light, it's foolishness to them, they walk in darkness and don't wanna come to the light, you'll see that all that I said is scriptural and I can quote scripture to back up everything I just said.
Is that what you believe? Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again. New birth in Christ occurs when?
Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Ro 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger