Originally Posted by
Grace777x70
So, God doesn't choose some on purpose for hell and some for heaven then? He lets them chose with their own will when they hear the message that Christ took away the sins of the world?
That whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved? Is this true?
So, in reality -God does choose certain ones to go to hell then - they do not get to choose?
This belief says that "God in his grace chose to save some to display his grace and mercy, and chose not to save others to display his justice and wrath. "
That is God choosing for those people to go to hell because they have no choice in the matter.
They are "not allowed" to chose Christ's sacrifice for their sins even though He took away the sins of the world. That is a major violation of the gospel message that "Whosoever calls on the name of the Lord will be saved".
That is no even close to the gospel message.
We're just going to go in circles. No, the carnal man is unable to choose God. It requires a new nature which requires being born again of the Spirit. All of mankind is condemned already due to their collective rebellion. And I never said it was the Gospel. It's an overview of God's relationship to man. He has found all of mankind guilty. Every last person who ever lived or ever will. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, none are righteous, none seek after God, we are slaves to sin, the carnal
mind is against God and cannot submit to his law, the carnal
mind cannot please God, and so on. And then the other side, those he foreknew he predestined, those he predestined he called, those he called he justified, those hes justified he glorified. I highlighted mind because it proves that a man cannot think one day, oh, I think I'll be a christian and follow Jesus. Impossible according to scripture. We can do
nothing to please God in our fallen state. Sin corrupted to the core. We see
heart, mind, and flesh are all in a state of corruption and rebellion against God before salvation.
Jesus told the Pharisees that they do not believe because they are not of his sheep, not that they aren't of his sheep because they do not believe. He also said all that the Father has given him will come to him and his sheep hear his voice.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as
he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5
he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of
his will, 6 to the praise of
his glorious grace, with which
he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through
his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of
his grace, 8 which
he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of
his will, according to his purpose, which
he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
It's all about him, not us.
I know you will pull the foreknown card, so let me just say that God created time and space and he is not a fortune teller. He didn't choose someone based off of merit or some inclination they may have or by being intelligent enough to choose him while others were too stupid to. You do nothing to get your salvation. When you demand grace, it's no longer grace.