Calvinists,Im Asking...

[Ariel82]

Threads always get ugly when people start telling others what the other person believed instead of listening or asking questions.

 

[preacher4truth]

Threads always get ugly when people start telling others what the other person believed instead of listening or asking questions.

Right? Was that what you meant when you told me in a thread I don't preach the Gospel either, not even knowing who I am? Was that ugly too, or is it only the "others?" Sorry, but your post has Matthew 7:1ff written all over it.

 

[Ariel82]

Right? Was that what you meant when you told me in a thread I don't preach the Gospel either, not even knowing who I am? Was that ugly too, or is it only the "others?" Sorry, but your post has Matthew 7:1ff written all over it.

Yeah and you didn't in that thread.

I don't stalk you around the forums and I still believe evil speaking is a sin and people are called to preach the gospel.

You can mark false teachers and you can preach against false doctrines, but if you forget to preach the gospel, what have you truly accomplished?

 

[preacher4truth]

I honestly never realized just how destructive it is until just this moment. You're right. It's straight up Pelagianism.

Indeed it is. It's heresy. People trip out about "heresy hunters."

Didn't John tell us there are many false teachers (antichrists) out there? We shouldn't be surprised at the bumper crop that is being harvested today.

 

[ForthAngel]

Threads always get ugly when people start telling others what the other person believed instead of listening or asking questions.

Be fair. The Free willers came in here starting with us when Kayla made it clear the intent of this thread.

 

[preacher4truth]

Be fair. The Free willers came in here starting with us when Kayla made it clear the intent of this thread.

Exactly...

 

[preacher4truth]

Yeah and you didn't in that thread.

Right, I didn't which means you made an unfounded and false lying accusation. You were bearing false witness.

I don't stalk you around the forums and I still believe evil speaking is a sin.

Unless it's you bearing false witness, then it's all good.

 

[Ariel82]

Be fair. The Free willers came in here starting with us when Kayla made it clear the intent of this thread.

True but I would rather hear about what you do believe then vitriol about what others believe and how WRONG and Heretical it is.

If folks know the Truth ,then lies become obvious next to it.

You could spend your whole life chasing heresies or you could spend it preaching the Gospel.

It still stands without love, words are just clanging cymbals,

 

[preacher4truth]

True but I would rather hear about what you do believe then vitriol about what others believe and how WRONG and Heretical it is.

I'm not concerned with what you want to hear, believe me.

The fact is you did bear false witness, and you're still doing so.

The other fact is that warning sheep against wolves like Osteen isn't tinkling cymbals and sounding brass. "Love" isn't giving wolves a free ride, so you need to study some Scripture and get context down because you're way off track.

The same one who wrote that passage theopneustos also told us to reprove and rebuke the wolves.

That being said, you are one out there telling the sheep to not worry about the wolves in the fold and misapplying Scripture. You're also bearing false witness both against me, and clear Biblical instructions to warn others.

Perhaps you should read Paul's warning to the sheep again in Acts 20. You're clueless to the mandate of exposing false teachers.

 

[ForthAngel]

True but I would rather hear about what you do believe then vitriol about what others believe and how WRONG and Heretical it is.

If folks know the Truth ,then lies become obvious next to it.

You could spend your whole life chasing heresies or you could spend it preaching the Gospel.

It still stands without love, words are just clanging cymbals,

We have a right to defend our position when it's in question. Again, why the blame shift to us? We weren't hunting out anyone, they came to us. With more misrepresentation of our position I might add.

 

[preacher4truth]

We have a right to defend our position when it's in question. Again, why the blame shift to us? We weren't hunting out anyone, they came to us. With more misrepresentation of our position I might add.

Ariel has to get her points in with the WoF crowd. If she stood biblically against their heresies she wouldn't get any "likes" from them on CC. She's being obedient to them.

Bearing false witness against those who obey Scripture and warn of the wolves is more important to her than defending the true Gospel against heresy. It's kind of like trying to be popular in school - go with the crowd and the fads, not what is true.

 

[Ariel82]

It was NOT false witness because I said I did NOT see you preach the gospel in that thread.

IT IS NOT MY FAULT YOU FALSELY took it as accusation that you NEVER preach the gospel. It was an invitation for you to proclaim what you actually believed. Instead you take offense and hold it.

Truthfully I don't want to hear anything from you p4t because you falsely represent people's beliefs and have nothing but earthly wisdom with an occasional glimpse of the divine.

 

[Ariel82]

The Wesley Center Online: Sermon 44 - Original Sin

Sermon on Original sin by John Wesley...someone needs to combat the lies.

3. Is it any wonder, that these accounts are very readily received by the generality of men For who is not easily persuaded to think favourably of himself Accordingly, writers of this kind are most universally read, admired, applauded. And innumerable are the converts they have made, not only in the gay, but the learned world. So that it is now quite unfashionable to talk otherwise, to say any thing to the disparagement of human nature; which is generally allowed, notwithstanding a few infirmities, to be very innocent, and wise, and virtuous!

4. But, in the mean time, what must we do with our Bibles -- for they will never agree with this. These accounts, however pleasing to flesh and blood, are utterly irreconcilable with the scriptural. The Scripture avers, that "by one man's disobedience all men were constituted sinners;" that "in Adam all died," spiritually died, lost the life and the image of God; that fallen, sinful Adam then "begat a son in his own likeness;" -- nor was it possible he should beget him in any other; for "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean" -- that consequently we, as well as other men, were by nature "dead in trespasses and sins," "without hope, without God in the world," and therefore "children of wrath;" that every man may say, "I was shapen in wickedness, and in sin did my mother conceive me;" that "there is no difference," in that "all have sinned and come short of the glory of God," of that glorious image of God wherein man was originally created. And hence, when "the Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, he saw they were all gone out of the way; they were altogether become abominable, there was none righteous, no, not one," none that truly sought after God: Just agreeable this, to what is declared by the Holy Ghost in the words above recited, "God saw," when he looked down from heaven before, "that the wickedness of man was great in the earth;" so great, that "every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Like I said, don't tell others what they believe because it's as false as them saying you preach that God choses people to send to hell.

Both Wesley and Arminius believed in Total depravity.

 

[preacher4truth]

It was NOT false witness because I said I did NOT see you preach the gospel in that thread.

Nope, that is not what you said. You said that I do not preach the Gospel either.

You're still bearing false witness.

The context of your false accusations is there in that thread. You came at me blind and mad because my OP exposed false teachers and offered your accusation "you don't preach the Gospel either".

And you still can't stand those who expose false teachers, and label it not loving. You have lot's of growing to do because you're not standing on sound doctrine in order to please the crowd. Paul wasn't that way, he was no man pleaser, Galatians 1:8-10.

I've given you Scripture to show your error. Either read it and heed, or call it unloving.

 

[Ariel82]

I stand for God and His truth and have spoken vehemently against the WOF movement.

So who is bearing false witness?

I will leave it for God to decide.

 

[Ariel82]

Back to the topic at hand..what do Calvinist believe about free will?

I read that they still believe in evangelism, because God choses to use men to spread His message and that is His means of grace to save people.

 

[preacher4truth]

I stand for God and His truth and have spoken vehemently against the WOF movement.

No, in fact you do not. You rebuke others for doing this, and tell them they are on a witch hunt and don't preach the Gospel, and that is a fact.

So who is bearing false witness?

You.

I will leave it for God to decide.

The fact remains in your posts that you attacked those exposing WoF heresy, called them names, ridiculed them, belittled them. Yet you stood against WoF? So, it is OK when YOU do it, but wrong when others do it? That's called being a hypocrite.

You're tripping hard and showing more Matthew 7 log in your eye syndrome.

Surely all these facts will come into account in "deciding."

 

[Ariel82]

Threads always get ugly when people start telling others what the other person believed instead of listening or asking questions.

This was directed at both "sides" of the debate. "Free willers" shouldn't tell Calvinist what they believe any more than Calvinist should tell free willers their beliefs.

Both should listen and pray and ask God to reveal His truth.

 

[Ariel82]

My apologies Kayla, it seems I have set off "attack mode" in some folks.

 

[ForthAngel]

My apologies Kayla, it seems I have set off "attack mode" in some folks.

Still our fault huh?