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Because of the general character of the religion of Islam,and the Arab countries,I believe they will receive punishment on earth for their wrongful activity they have displayed throughout many years,especially in the treatment of the Jews,and Israel.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Palestinians are in trouble by God for their messing with Israel,and which side will people be on at that day,the world's side,or Israel's side,for that is the decision the world is going to have to face one day.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

At that day anybody that burdens them self with Jerusalem will be in trouble.

The religion of Islam are in trouble for all the things they do contrary to what is right,and following a false God,which the man of sin is going to pluck them up by the roots,which is by way of nuclear weapons.Their countries will be devastated.

But I will not have pleasure over it,and God said do not rejoice when your enemies fall,for we are not to have any ill intent towards anybody,and not want any ill intent towards anybody,but let God handle them.

Creation testifies that there is a higher power that loves people,which covers the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,so the world is without excuse.

Any religion that claims a God,but does not act out with love,is doing God an injustice,and it not representing Him according to the testimony of creation,and they are a bad witness to the world concerning the love of God towards people.
 
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What i am saying is that people are taught to hate Muslims because they watch the media or listen to and are reacting the way of the world instead of reacting according to the teaching of Christ."Mark 12:31"
The media has a way of subliminally teaching people to hate by demonizing people. I know brothers in Christ who spend their entire time bashing Muslims every chance they get instead of trying to love them into the Kingdom.. I even know of some who think its funny when Muslims get shot up or die, never getting the chance to repent of what they have done. So yea i have no need for assumptions when i am sitting there listening to their comments.
ok i can understand that


media is full of hate and false teachings

which is why i avoid it

also im new to fellowship

so my pool of fellow christians ive spoken to on this matter is limited
 
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wwjd calls Muslims evil nut cases and then falsely accuses others of calling Muslims evil, then assumes to know what you think of every Muslim in Norway as if you have said anything anywhere at any time concerning all the Muslims in Norway. The level of dishonesty and hypocrisy some people bring to this is truly astonishingly disturbing.
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TY so much Magenta for the invaluable information that you have provided and keep providing...
You are such a blessing, and not in disguise!:):)

sometimes it's hard to remember that the majority of people in this world truly believe what they
are saying is 'the God's Honest Truth' - most of the other 'self-appointed are simply 'money-mongers',.
and of course, always there are the true satan worshippers...,because God/Jesus is NOT their Truth...


trouble is, it is really 'their-own' un-honest thoughts that this old-world-has-taught-them, =
un-godly-worldly-truth, that 'the-wiley-one' has convinced them of and has them in a
hopefully-prayerfully, temporary-holding-pattern - 'hostage bondage'...
fervent prayer is essential here!

JOB 36:18.
Because there is wrath, beware lest He take you away with stroke:
then a great ransom cannot deliver you.

PS. 6:4.
Return, O LORD, deliver my soul: oh save me for Thy mercies' sake.

17:13.
Arise, O LORD, disappoint him, cast him down: deliver my soul from the wicked, which is Thy sword:
14.
From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life,
and whose belly Thou fillest with Thy hid treasure: they are full of children,
and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.
15.
As for me, I will behold Thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with Thy likeness.

MATT. 6:13.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For Thine is the Kingdom, and the Power, and the Glory, for ever. Amen.


it happens to all of us before' 'conversion', when our Saviour begins to bring us out
of the pervading wickedness of this 'fallen-world'....DELIVERANCE!!!

there are NEVER any 'compromises' with our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ,
it is and ALWAYS will BE, His Way, or the hw...

hub and I did our each alone and for a while the way of the hw,
but not, it is ONLY HIS WAY for us, now and for ever after...
 
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Because of the general character of the religion of Islam,and the Arab countries,I believe they will receive punishment on earth for their wrongful activity they have displayed throughout many years,especially in the treatment of the Jews,and Israel.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Joe 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head.

Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Joe 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Joe 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

Palestinians are in trouble by God for their messing with Israel,and which side will people be on at that day,the world's side,or Israel's side,for that is the decision the world is going to have to face one day.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

At that day anybody that burdens them self with Jerusalem will be in trouble.

The religion of Islam are in trouble for all the things they do contrary to what is right,and following a false God,which the man of sin is going to pluck them up by the roots,which is by way of nuclear weapons.Their countries will be devastated.

But I will not have pleasure over it,and God said do not rejoice when your enemies fall,for we are not to have any ill intent towards anybody,and not want any ill intent towards anybody,but let God handle them.

Creation testifies that there is a higher power that loves people,which covers the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,so the world is without excuse.

Any religion that claims a God,but does not act out with love,is doing God an injustice,and it not representing Him according to the testimony of creation,and they are a bad witness to the world concerning the love of God towards people.
I strongly believe that Islam is tied with Biblical prophecy, as well. Every nation that the Lord destroys in the end times in the OT is an Islamic nation. I definitely believe that Islam will be a major part of the end times.
Its worth noting that the end times prophecies for Islam are for real the reversal of the Biblical prophecies.
 

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Islam - a religion started by a violent man, a pedophile, and a book supposedly dictated by Gabriel, and then copied down by Muhammed's scribes, because he could not read or write. It is expanionist, but it has been contained on many occasions, such as in Spain and in Eastern Europe after invasions. It is not invincible.

Muslims - people who were born and raised or converted to this religion. They are people Christ died for! Every last single one of them.

I just detest and abhore all the inciting anger, and condemning billions of people who do not know any better when we should be praying for them, learning how to witness to them and bringing them to Christ.

This hate mongering in every forum is appalling.
 

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QUOTE=wwjd_kilden;3085839]the OT says to kill
does that make the bible evil?
Or does it simply mean we have been given an additional gospel or grace to hang on to which the Muslims need?
If someone came to town and said "Christianity is evil and consists of terrorists" would that make you ready to listen to their message? Probably not. SO if you want to convert Muslims, reach out with the gospel. With love.


where does the bible say ANY where to kill

not God commanding the destruction of evil
like giants or abominations

or God in person commanding an army for righteous judgement on earth


but where ANY where does it tell us the readers of the word to kill

or anyone TO kill

the OT shows in history when God made things happen through his people


but no reader of the Holy Bible the WHOLE truth of Jesus

not just segmenting it to "be correct" about some garbage statement

but where

were does it command US to kill

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,(before NT) but under grace.


Romans 12:17 - Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.



Galatians 5:15 - But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.


btw

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Exodus 20:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Thou shalt not kill.



love is telling the truth[/QUOTE]

Do you people ever even read the Bible? What if you were an atheist, or a Muslim trying to disapprove Christianity and you read the following verses? What would you say to that person, to prove God is not a blood thirsty monster, only intent on killing people? Because, I find it sad some people can say stuff like this post, and they don't even know what the Bible says, let alone how to explain the context of these verses.

So try reading Deuteronomy, Joshua and Judges.

When the Lord your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than you, 2 and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them.3 You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, 4 for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly. 5 But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and chop down their Asherim and burn their carved images with fire.6 “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth." Deut. 7:1-6

"And you shall consume all the peoples that the Lord your God will give over to you. Your eye shall not pity them, neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you." Deut. 7:16

"But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes,
17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 18 that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.' Deut. 20:10-14

"And Joshua turned back at that time and captured Hazor and struck its king with the sword, for Hazor formerly was the head of all those kingdoms.
11 And they struck with the sword all who were in it, devoting them to destruction; there was none left that breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire. 12 And all the cities of those kings, and all their kings, Joshua captured, and struck them with the edge of the sword, devoting them to destruction, just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded. 13 But none of the cities that stood on mounds did Israel burn, except Hazor alone; that Joshua burned. 14 And all the spoil of these cities and the livestock, the people of Israel took for their plunder. But every person they struck with the edge of the sword until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any who breathed." Joshua 11:10-14
 

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Islam - a religion started by a violent man, a pedophile, and a book supposedly dictated by Gabriel, and then copied down by Muhammed's scribes, because he could not read or write. It is expanionist, but it has been contained on many occasions, such as in Spain and in Eastern Europe after invasions. It is not invincible.

Muslims - people who were born and raised or converted to this religion. They are people Christ died for! Every last single one of them.

I just detest and abhore all the inciting anger, and condemning billions of people who do not know any better when we should be praying for them, learning how to witness to them and bringing them to Christ.

This hate mongering in every forum is appalling.
Thats become such a common argument anymore. If you dont like someone call them a racist and a fear mongerer.

Good luck telling Muslims about Jesus of the Gospel alone.

Quran 4:171 "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."

Quran 4:116- "Allah forgiveth not (the sin of) joining other gods with Him; but He forgiveth whom He pleaseth other sins than this: one who joins other gods with Allah, Hath strayed far, far away (from the right)"

Quran 4:157-158 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise


Im sure they will be more than willing to listen to someone whos preaching exactly what their prophet told them was untrue and sinful.
 

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Also, Im not sure why people are sticking to the argument that Muhammad=Muslims.

This entire thread has been about how Muhammad was a false prophet. Every post has been about Muhammad.

And yet this is still the kind of response were getting here-

I just detest and abhore all the inciting anger, and condemning billions of people who do not know any better when we should be praying for them, learning how to witness to them and bringing them to Christ.


So, according to this argument here, speaking out against Muhammad is hatred, fear mongering and inciting violence against all Muslims.

Guess we better not question anything Muhammad taught, then. Wouldnt want to incite violence against Muslims.
 
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where does the bible say ANY where to kill

not God commanding the destruction of evil
like giants or abominations

or God in person commanding an army for righteous judgement on earth


but where ANY where does it tell us the readers of the word to kill

or anyone TO kill

the OT shows in history when God made things happen through his people


but no reader of the Holy Bible the WHOLE truth of Jesus

not just segmenting it to "be correct" about some garbage statement

but where

were does it command US to kill

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law,(before NT) but under grace.


Romans 12:17 - Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.



Galatians 5:15 - But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.


btw

ot

Exodus 20:13King James Version (KJV)

13 Thou shalt not kill.



love is telling the truth
Do you people ever even read the Bible? What if you were an atheist, or a Muslim trying to disapprove Christianity and you read the following verses? What would you say to that person, to prove God is not a blood thirsty monster, only intent on killing people? Because, I find it sad some people can say stuff like this post, and they don't even know what the Bible says, let alone how to explain the context of these verses.

So try reading Deuteronomy, Joshua and Judges.

When the Lord your God brings you into the land that you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and mightier than you, 2 and when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them, then you must devote them to complete destruction. You shall make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them.3 You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, 4 for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly. 5 But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and chop down their Asherim and burn their carved images with fire.6 “For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth." Deut. 7:1-6

"And you shall consume all the peoples that the Lord your God will give over to you. Your eye shall not pity them, neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you." Deut. 7:16

"But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes,
17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 18 that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.' Deut. 20:10-14

"And Joshua turned back at that time and captured Hazor and struck its king with the sword, for Hazor formerly was the head of all those kingdoms.
11 And they struck with the sword all who were in it, devoting them to destruction; there was none left that breathed. And he burned Hazor with fire. 12 And all the cities of those kings, and all their kings, Joshua captured, and struck them with the edge of the sword, devoting them to destruction, just as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded. 13 But none of the cities that stood on mounds did Israel burn, except Hazor alone; that Joshua burned. 14 And all the spoil of these cities and the livestock, the people of Israel took for their plunder. But every person they struck with the edge of the sword until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any who breathed." Joshua 11:10-14
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i covered this in my post

im not going to justify the righteousness of Gods judgement to an army in the OT

i covered this in my post

but if your foolish enough to think this gives you a right and command to kill as the false muslim religion does youre sandwhich is missing some cheese


youre silly to assume i havent read something i spoke of
but try and read the whole bible
and the context of this chat


were speaking of why some people are viewed as haters of the muslim religion

so we went over how evil the quran is and
some false info in it that doesnt even match its own contents

if youre God given work is to convince people God is good
go about it how he wills you to


but i have no problem reading that and not thinking hes evil for a second

because i understand his judgement is perfect
 
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also youre false assumptions i havent read these books or dont understand them when these were mentioned in my previous post (maybe too vauge) is why i came off like i did


im sorry i dont want to be rude

im sure you have a full sandwhich with plenty of cheese
 

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"Muhammad is a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer,
a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman
a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter."

Former Muslim Ali Sina offered $50,000 to anyone
who could prove this wrong based on Islamic texts.

The reward has gone unclaimed.

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Islam is an ideology - a set of ideas. It is not defined by what any Muslim wants it to be, but by what it is. No ideology is above critique - particularly one that explicitly seeks political and social dominance over every person on the planet. Neither is it entitled to human rights, which apply to individuals.

Muslims are individuals. We passionately believe that no Muslim should bev
harmed, harassed, stereotyped or treated any differently anywhere in the world solely on account of their status as a Muslim.

As an ideology, Islam is not necessarily entitled to equal respect and acceptance. Ideas do not carry equal moral weight. The feelings or number of those who believe does not make the idea true or good. Bad ideas can and should be challenged before they have bad consequences

Islam is not simply a belief about God. Islam is a word that means submission. Islam is a set of rules that define a social hierarchy in which Muslims submit to Allah, women submit to men and all non-Muslims submit to Islamic rule.

Since we don't live in a Muslim country - where censorship, intimidation and brute force are shamelessly employed to protect Islam from intellectual analysis - we are still free to openly exercise our right to debate the merits of the Islamic value system against Western Liberalism. At least, for now. That may change.

Are men really superior to women as the Qur'an says
? Are women intellectually inferior as Muhammad taught? Does propagating material that curses people of other religions amidst random calls to violence really make for a better social environment? Is it right to keep women as sex slaves merely because the Qur'an goes well out of its way to permit this practice in numerous places? Should atheists and homosexuals have to choose between the noose and an outward profession
of faith in Allah?

Yes, there are Muslims who take issue with these aspects of Islamic theology, but that doesn't change what Islam is.

Don't confuse the ideology with the individual. Don't draw conclusions about Islam based on the Muslims that you know, be they terrorists or humanitarians.


Islam must be understood on the basis of what it is, as presented objectively in the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira (biography of Muhammad)
.

My posts are made with the hope of increasing other's understanding of what Islam is, and despite the hatred, hypocrisy, and dishonesty that a few others continually bring against me, I will continue to provide factual information for the discussion boards with the hope of furthering our collective understanding, for those who care to be informed. I appreciate the people who work alongside this effort. Thank you for caring enough to stand against ignorance and evil. God bless you!
 
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where does the bible say ANY where to kill

not God commanding the destruction of evil
like giants or abominations

or God in person commanding an army for righteous judgement on earth


but where ANY where does it tell us the readers of the word to kill

or anyone TO kill

the OT shows in history when God made things happen through his people


but no reader of the Holy Bible the WHOLE truth of Jesus

not just segmenting it to "be correct" about some garbage statement

but where

were does it command US to kill
Exactly!

God commands His people to kill, to wipe out entire nations.
My point is, that does not make the bible evil.
Nor does it mean Christians today go about killing (well, some do, but not Christianity as a whole)
So why do people assume all Muslims do because THEIR book has such parts in it when they don't assume Christians do?

If you were to take verses of the OT out of context surely we would look just like what people think of Islam no?
 

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Exactly!

God commands His people to kill, to wipe out entire nations.
My point is, that does not make the bible evil.
Nor does it mean Christians today go about killing (well, some do, but not Christianity as a whole)
So why do people assume all Muslims do because THEIR book has such parts in it when they don't assume Christians do?

If you were to take verses of the OT out of context surely we would look just like what people think of Islam no?

Nobody does?

Also, the violence in the OT is very different from the violence in the quran. The violence in the OT is either under the law, or is merely recorded history of when Israel was commanded to go to war. There is no constant command of war in the Bible.


The quran, though, entirely commands war until the last day-

Quran 8:12-13
12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."13. This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.

Indeed, Allah loves those who fight in His cause in a row as though they are one structure joined firmly.
Quran 61, verse 4

The Prophet said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal


The fact that the Bible has a recorded history of violence in no way makes it equal with the quran, as the Bible does not command constant war with the unbelievers.

Also, as a Christian you should absolutely call the quran evil, as it goes out of its way to deny that Jesus was nothing but a prophet of allah. We are told in the Gospel that anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist. That makes Muhammad an antichrist. So, even without all the commands to fight and kill the unbelievers, the quran is still evil, yeah.
 

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Oh, and once more-

Nor does it mean Christians today go about killing (well, some do, but not Christianity as a whole)
So why do people assume all Muslims do because THEIR book has such parts in it when they don't assume Christians do?
Muhammad=Muslims. Cant talk about how Muhammad was very much a bad person without inciting violence against Muslims.

Also, Islam is nothing like Christianity. It does not teach to love your enemies, it does not teach to turn the other cheek, and it does not tell us that allah loves all of his creation-

Qur’an 3:31-32—Say [O Muhammad]: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Apostle; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.

Quran 5:51- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Quran 5:80 - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."


Matthew 5:43-48-
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”


And even with this, with clear examples of how Muhammad taught the exact opposite of what Christ taught, youll still see these same few members come here and try to paint me as some hateful fear mongerer : p
Dont use this to prove to others Muhammad was a false prophet, no : p We gotta defend the Muslims claims : p
 
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guys

... id say we can wrap this up


those with eyes to see understand now
why they are percieved to "hate" muslims when they just tell the truth of what the quran teaches


those without eyes to see wont ever see the differences between the quran and the Inspired Word of God


those without new hearts
probabaly DO hate muslims lacking understanding in Jesus who is the word made flesh
 
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This thread is becoming quite strange. I haven't seen anyone standing up for
Mohammed, or saying Islam is good at all, (though by all means point out the
relevant posts if I have got this wrong).


I have seen several people saying we need to pray for Muslims and share the gospel
with them when the opportunity arises and that they do not hate them - that's good and
biblical isn't it?

However back to the title of the thread, it was worded in such a way because some posts
have suggested all Muslims generally are evil. The bible says all men have sinned, none is
righteous no not one. All are lost without a Saviour, that includes atheists, Muslims,
mormond, Hindus etc.

If all the posts on this thread had been about how wrong and deceptive Mohamed was and how
he has led millions of people into bondage, how wrong the Koran is. Then I whole
heartedly agree with that. As I say, I haven't seen one single post where anyone disputes that.

What I don't get is the blanket anger and hated against all Muslims - many I've come across
have been very nice, honest decent respectful people. I have yet to meet any of the extremist
type - thankfully.


I'm currently working on one of the Carer's who comes to see my elderly aunt. The career
is a Muslim. She is so patient and kind with my aunt and nothing is too much trouble for her.
But what an opportunity to have a Muslim lady coming regular to a Christian house. Lol :D

Are they following a false teaching and religion - yes
Are they destined for eternity in hell - yes
Do they need a Saviour - yes
Do we have the words of eternal life - most certainly we do
 
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Miri

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Oh thx for the reps from people. :)
 
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NoNameMcgee

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This thread is becoming quite strange. I haven't seen anyone standing up for
Mohammed, or saying Islam is good at all, (though by all means point out the
relevant posts if I have got this wrong).


I have seen several people saying we need to pray for Muslims and share the gospel
with them when the opportunity arises and that they do not hate them - that's good and
biblical isn't it?

However back to the title of the thread, it was worded in such a way because some posts
have suggested all Muslims generally are evil. The bible says all men have sinned, none is
righteous no not one. All are lost without a Saviour, that includes atheists, Muslims,
mormond, Hindus etc.

If all the posts on this thread had been about how wrong and deceptive Mohamed was and how
he has led millions of people into bondage, how wrong the Koran is. Then I whole
heartedly agree with that. As I say, I haven't seen one single post where anyone disputes that.

What I don't get is the blanket anger and hated against all Muslims - many I've come across
have been very nice, honest decent respectful people. I have yet to meet any of the extremist
type - thankfully.


I'm currently working on one of the Carer's who comes to see my elderly aunt. The career
is a Muslim. She is so patient and kind with my aunt and nothing is too much trouble for her.
But what an opportunity to have a Muslim lady coming regular to a Christian house. Lol :D

Are they following a false teaching and religion - yes
Are they destined for eternity in hell - yes
Do they need a Saviour - yes
Do we have the words of eternal life - most certainly we do
if the title was

why do people hate pedofiles and rapists and murders of loved ones

it would be very similar...

were answering the initial question


and the reason muslims get so much push back

is what the quran says


only muslims that DONT follow the teaching of quran

arent murdering


so if a women claims to be muslim

and is kind to your aunt who isnt muslim

that woman would kill your aunt with pleasure if she were a true muslim in a territory

or she is a muslim
like a morman is christian


ive never judged a muslim since i posted in this thread


only the teachings

ive shared my food with muslims

ive played soccer with them

i treat them like any non believer

i wont take their council

and the more ive learned of the bible

the more i distance myself from sinners without a new heart

because i dont want to hit a stumbling block while im still so young in my walk
 
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NoNameMcgee

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your post confuses me

since i havent seen hate in the thread
 
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NoNameMcgee

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if i missed it im sorry