The main argument here seems to be against unconditinal election, meaning that God chooses some for salvation and the rest are eternally damned. We see this as God not being a loving God. But God in His grace and mercy made a way thru Christ for us to be saved. So the question that remains is, do we choose God or did God choose us?
We seem to agree on total depravity meaning we are all born with a sin nature and are against God in that nature. Before Christ came to us we were all wicked. Psalm 10:4 "In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God". In our wickedness we were not seeking God. Romans 3:10-12 summary is "no one seeks for God" while in their sinnful ways.
So if in our wickedness we would never seek God how did we come to God? In our wickedness our thoughts were never upon God so why did we "all the sudden" start thinking about God? Would you say that you somehow on your own broke free from your own wickedness? Was it God who pulled you out of your wickedness? Do you on your own have power over sin? Without God first coming to you would you be able to free yourself from sin? Yes, we all have accepted Christ but did we accept Christ on our own or was it by the Holy Spirit first touching us (John 3:27)?
Here are just a few passages to read to ponder these questions. Exodus 33:19, Psalm 10:4, Romans 3:10-12, John 3:20, Isaiah 64:7 Isaiah 65:1, Romans 9:15,16, John 6:44,65, and Philippians 2:13.
We seem to agree on total depravity meaning we are all born with a sin nature and are against God in that nature. Before Christ came to us we were all wicked. Psalm 10:4 "In his pride the wicked does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God". In our wickedness we were not seeking God. Romans 3:10-12 summary is "no one seeks for God" while in their sinnful ways.
So if in our wickedness we would never seek God how did we come to God? In our wickedness our thoughts were never upon God so why did we "all the sudden" start thinking about God? Would you say that you somehow on your own broke free from your own wickedness? Was it God who pulled you out of your wickedness? Do you on your own have power over sin? Without God first coming to you would you be able to free yourself from sin? Yes, we all have accepted Christ but did we accept Christ on our own or was it by the Holy Spirit first touching us (John 3:27)?
Here are just a few passages to read to ponder these questions. Exodus 33:19, Psalm 10:4, Romans 3:10-12, John 3:20, Isaiah 64:7 Isaiah 65:1, Romans 9:15,16, John 6:44,65, and Philippians 2:13.