Calvinists,Im Asking...

[Marano]

Can we talk about that letter "P"?

It's one I agree with but lots of folks don't.

I always thought it meant that God was the author of our salvation and he doesn't do half-baked. So once He adopts us, he will never disown or stop loving us.
.However he will chastens and correct every adopted child.
.if people aren't convicted of their sins and have a heart to want to change,then they aren't His kids.

I agree with both of your points, I would add that His children have the fruit of the spirit in their lives, since they have been sealed with the holy spirit.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I have a short list for this thread...only Calvinist (or reformed folks who hold to TULIP) I have found are you, Marano, and Trifomus

I read Kayla and Depleted because she is the OP and she mentioned Lynn and her were having this discussion.

I think Lynn is reformed, not sure if she is Calvinist though.

Would it help if I apologize ForthAngel?

I probably should have let it slide, instead of commenting.

I haven't even gone into the other threads (beyond a quick reading of a few posts) or commented because they just became nasty.

The question I ask is...how would Jesus have us show love to one another?

Its hard to hold your tongue when the Spirit is crying out against what is false. Paul had the hardest time doing this lol

 

[lonestar26]

It is very easy to tell the difference about what people believe on this thread. For instance, you're all about "I'm right, and you're wrong." You aren't serving God. You're making yourself feel better by lying about everyone else. The word is "haughty." It's unbecoming and has nothing to do with God any which way.

I don't recall Joshua or his family acting that way.

I never said anything of the sort, I merely pointed out that many follow Religion and rules and steps and definitions and processes. That seems evil to me so I chose to serve the Lord, just as Joshua told his people. Chose you this day who you will serve, the dead religion/idols of your fathers or the Lord.

I do believe OSAS, but I don't know if that's Reformed, or not. The big question after that needs to be asked though -- Are you really saved? King Saul seemed saved for a while. So did Judas. They seemed saved. Now it seems like they never were saved.

Could you clarify how OT people get saved under a new Covenant not realized until Jesus ascended into heaven?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I see the OSAS to be false also. Its only true if backed by the first 4 doctrines of tulip, thats how it got so popular and now people pick and choose out of these doctrines what to believe. Basically its what people wish to hear so they choose what ear candy tastes best.

People dont like to hear they actually got to have a life changing relationship with Christ. A daily surrender and taking up of ones cross.

 

[Marano]

I see the OSAS to be false also. Its only true if backed by the first 4 doctrines of tulip, thats how it got so popular and now people pick and choose out of these doctrines what to believe. Basically its what people wish to hear so they choose what ear candy tastes best.

People dont like to hear they actually got to have a life changing relationship with Christ. A daily surrender and taking up of ones cross.

Funny that you say that, because that's exactly what the free grace people accuse the reformed position of testing yourself to see if you're in the faith and see if you have the fruit of the spirit in your life, they say it's lordship salvation.

Now do I not want Christ to be not only my savior but also Lord of everything in my life?

When you truly have an ecounter with God your life changes and you now have the holy spirit living within you.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Funny that you say that, because that's exactly what the free grace people accuse the reformed position of testing yourself to see if you're in the faith and see if you have the fruit of the spirit in your life, they say it's lordship salvation.

Now do I not want Christ to be not only my savior but also Lord of everything in my life.

When you truly have an ecounter with God your life changes and you now have the holy spirit living within you.

You can study on my Study of Apostasy thread

I ain't going to take the OP off subject.

But ill leave you with this if we are created a little less than the angels and angels live in the very presence of God. Then how could satin fall?

 

[Ariel82]

People dont like to hear they actually got to have a life changing relationship with Christ. A daily surrender and taking up of ones cross.

Wait...everyone I know loves to hear that.

Also I like the saying:

Jesus saved me, Jesus is saving me and Jesus will save me.

Salvation is past, present and future.

We are saved by the redeeming work on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

We are being saved by the Holy Spirit teaching us how to overcome and do good works for God's glory.

We will be saved and given new bodies when Jesus destroys this world and makes a new Heaven and Earth.

I am not sure what the doctrine of OSAS is but I believe THAT that God gives us the power to walk in His ways until he returns or calls us home.

For we are strangers in a strange land and walk as Ambassodors for our Father King.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Wait...everyone I know loves to hear that.

Also I like the saying:

Jesus saved me, Jesus is saving me and Jesus will save me.

Salvation is past, present and future.

We are saved by the redeeming work on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins.

We are being saved by the Holy Spirit teaching us how to overcome and do good works for God's glory.

We will be saved and given new bodies when Jesus destroys this world and makes a new Heaven and Earth.

I am not sure what the doctrine of OSAS is but I believe THAT that God gives us the power to walk in His ways until he returns or calls us home.

For we are strangers in a strange land and walk as Ambassodors for our Father King.

If people liked giving up sin and the world then everyone would follow God. No not everyone likes to hear that

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The OSAS doctrine is anothe name for the perseverance of the saints in tuliP

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Jesus has many fans but I wonder how many true followers, how many true disciples.

 

[Ariel82]

If people liked giving up sin and the world then everyone would follow God. No not everyone likes to hear that

I should clarify, most who claims to be Christians, claim to believe that we should all live holy lives.

Except maybe the WOF folks.

Displaying heavenly wisdom and the fruit of the spirit and maturity in Christ....that on the other hand is in short supply.

 

[kaylagrl]

I wrote my answer down. And then I asked hubby, (who does get Reformed Theology better than I do), and something happened after that, so I got delayed in finishing this.

I'm going to give all three things as an answer:
1. My answer: Well, not really. Trump was elected. Think he stopped sinning? lol

Same thing with us. We're elected/chosen. We are the children of God. Adopted by the King of Kings. Don't we still act like little brats at times anyway? We still sin. We're just over the sin-nature, so we know we're sinning. It's no longer blindly sinning by nature.

Once elected though, God doesn't change his mind. Remember Jonah was elected. If we don't behave like we're supposed, God gets us there anyway.

I do believe OSAS, but I don't know if that's Reformed, or not. The big question after that needs to be asked though -- Are you really saved? King Saul seemed saved for a while. So did Judas. They seemed saved. Now it seems like they never were saved.

2. Hubby's answer: OSAS is a cheapened response for "Perseverance of the Saints." It's the Armenian's answer to what we're saying. We are saved, if we persevere. If we don't persevere, we weren't saved. Then he gave an example of someone in our family's belief. She said her grandmother was saved because she made the alter call at a Billy Graham Crusade. That's what saved her. Walking down to the front to be prayed over. But nothing changed for the rest of her life, so she wasn't saved.

He used something David said, (but it's a couple hours later, so can't remember it enough to quote him exactly.) David asked God where he could go to leave God, since even in the depths of Hades, God is. David couldn't escape God, so he persevered.

God changes us so much so that he has us persevere. If we don't, then God didn't change us.

3. The thing that interrupted this:
Not related to this at all, except PennEd (a fellow CCer) stopped by with his friend Rich. They're going to help us work on our house. The Lord called him to help us in this way, and wow! I really had some ideas on how they could help, but they have even more ideas.

He asked me in what way they could help, and I immediately thought about our front window. It's huge and falling apart. It's so bad, I think the only reason it's staying in is because of God's providence. But I didn't ask that one, because we have some idea how much it would cost to replace it, and way too much to ask. I really thought the only choice was replace it, but Rich (Ed's friend) thinks it can be fixed and repainted. I was just thinking of having them take old stuff out we can't lift. So, kind of like thinking someone was going to give us a used car that works, but being offered a new car. Much much bigger than I thought, and I was very excited over my thought.

Trying hard not to cry over this, (hubby is too), but what a wonderful God we serve!

First of all what an amazing story,prayer answered,you all getting that window fixed. And shout out to brother Penn Ed for being a real servant. We all like to yap about what we believe in here but its what we do out in the real world that matters.And helping each other matters.Ive had people help in in that type of way,I just didn't know what I was going to do and right on time God sends a brother/sister in the Lord to help. I can understand holding back tears.

My uncles wife went forward at a camp meeting years ago and got saved. We thought it was one of those convicting moments and then,as your story, she went back to her regular way of living. We certainly thought she wasn't saved.But unbeknownst to us she had attended a church off and on over the years and took her kids.A few years ago my uncle called and said something we had prayed for for years and years,he had started attending church because of his wife.Now they aren't mature Christians but they are in church and learning,they go every Sunday. So we need to be careful of looking on the outside,God looks at the heart.

 

[lonestar26]

Jesus has many fans but I wonder how many true followers, how many true disciples.

He has always had fans, followers, disciples, Apostles and finishers.

We see many followers and disciples, but we see very few carrying his true message and finishing their course with Joy.

 

[kaylagrl]

What's her problem? That's a good question! Part of her problem is she thinks it's her right to defend others, AND herself in here, but it's not right for you to do so. As she stated she struggles with gossip which is a sign of those who are idle. Probably a lot of gossip going on in PM and them telling one another to attack others "for what they said". Misery loves company, and they do come in packs on here.

Her other problem is she likes to meddle in other peoples business when they are having within a thread a personal disagreement. She has to jump in and meddle, which is Biblically a fools task.

Here's the thing - busybody meddlers don't have anything going on, so they begin to meddle in others matters. That is the problem with Depleted. Life is "online" for some people.

Here is what Paul said about the idle:

2 Thessalonians 3:5ff May the Lord direct your hearts into God’s love and Christ’s perseverance. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you,

The not living according to the teaching is accomplished when a person meddles. Maybe she will learn to MHOB and stay out of peoples personal business and obey Christ.

Bro, you've done nothing wrong as you know. Just keep sharing truth, and when one of the hypocrites come crying, lying, falsely accusing and attacking you for it, just thank God, and, of course, expose their hypocrisy.

Now its MY TURN to defend!! You,preacher,are way out of line and not living up to your name. Lynn has dealt with a sick husband,which but for the grace of God,she almost lost! She has health issues of her own while looking after her husband not knowing what the out come would be,hoping and praying.I can only imagine what they have suffered. So she is a long way from idle and if you were a gentleman,let alone a preacher you would apologize! You do not know her personally,what she does in her life and whatever time she spends on here is her own business.

You know what I like about Lynn,she's direct. She'll come at ya like a possum sometimes,but as shown above she's not too big for her britches to apologize. She has a big heart and she's encouraged and uplifted me here more than once.There's stuff we dont agree on but Id rather somebody step up and tell me what they think than going behind my back.I think your comments are a low blow.I asked,more than once,on this thread for people to be level headed and take the nastiness somewhere else. You call yourself preacher? Act like one! And at your age I expect more out of you.

 

[kaylagrl]

Looks like we'd all rather just talk about what everyone thinks Calvinists believe. Have at it.

​ Ive asked several questions that no one answered. Read back... And I have asked for your view,whatever question you see I expect your POV.

 

[Gabriel2020]

John; 10;27-30;My sheep hear my voice,and i know them,and they follow me. 28;and i give unto them eternal life;and they shall never perish;neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand;29; my father ,which gave them me,is greater than all,and no man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand.. 30'I and my father are one.---------------------------If you believe and have received everything Jesus said in Matthew, then you are his sheep, and he know you.all the words in red is his teachings. People may not realize it but the words in red are the most important. they are the cornerstone as Jesus is of the Gospel of the kingdom of God.

 

[Ariel82]

Ah what kind of faith do people really have?

A Saving faith rested firmly in the finished work of Christ or a heathen or devil "faith" in God's existence?

A devils faith acknowledge that Jesus may be Lord but He is not THEIR savior,THEY are. A heathen faith that believes that this world is more important than an unseen eternity.

Or a false faith in false idols of their creation?

Only person who can truly say who is truly God's elect, His born again children is His Holy Spirit.

 

[ForthAngel]

​ Ive asked several questions that no one answered. Read back... And I have asked for your view,whatever question you see I expect your POV.

Let me use a common Calvinist card and say "all doesn't always mean all". See what I did there?

I know you are being genuine. Most others are not.

 

[ForthAngel]

​ Ive asked several questions that no one answered. Read back... And I have asked for your view,whatever question you see I expect your POV.

And BTW. I had like 15 posts with my answers and refutations of others ready to post until I finally lost my patience. Decided it was futile and decided to just say whatever, this is pointless.

 

[ForthAngel]

And Ariel, I have no beef with you. My only issue is that you play both sides. I think you are closer to the truth than most here though, and I hope you keep trying to learn. I have nothing else to say on this thread though.