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So i don't have a choice about salvation, or i should say no one has a choice only God.
I can't accept a god that would choose to save some and not choose to save me because i was simply not elected.
Sure we all deserve to die but why save some and watch others die. why? With the God i serve i have no issue with this question.
I can't accept a god that would choose to save some and not choose to save me because i was simply not elected.
Sure we all deserve to die but why save some and watch others die. why? With the God i serve i have no issue with this question.
"Faith in God is really hanging on thin threads - it's a bit rational, a bit of a personal experience, a bit of a testimony, a bit of a mental need transformed into a religious gown.
All these threads are the ways in which one comes in contact with the real God.
But none of these threads can bear the whole belief in God by itself. It is always their lucky combination. That is why theology speaks of faith as of a gift, which man can neither obtain by his will, nor can he manage it."
Jeroným Klimeš, "Psychologist and his testimony of Christ"
All these threads are the ways in which one comes in contact with the real God.
But none of these threads can bear the whole belief in God by itself. It is always their lucky combination. That is why theology speaks of faith as of a gift, which man can neither obtain by his will, nor can he manage it."
Jeroným Klimeš, "Psychologist and his testimony of Christ"
2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
No person calls Jesus,Lord,but by the Holy Ghost.
Many call Jesus,Lord,but not all allow the Spirit to lead them,for they want to hold unto sin,and think that it does not affect their relationship with God.
Not everybody that claims Jesus as Lord receives the Spirit,which you will know them by their fruits,their lifestyle.
For many are called but few are chosen.
Some people think that all people that claim Jesus as Lord has the Spirit,but if it were so the hypocrisy would be gone,or they might sin,but they would get rid of it and continue in the Spirit,and if everybody that claimed Jesus as Lord was led of the Spirit,this world would be a whole lot better place,and the world would take notice,and would impact a great deal.
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
No person calls Jesus,Lord,but by the Holy Ghost.
Many call Jesus,Lord,but not all allow the Spirit to lead them,for they want to hold unto sin,and think that it does not affect their relationship with God.
Not everybody that claims Jesus as Lord receives the Spirit,which you will know them by their fruits,their lifestyle.
For many are called but few are chosen.
Some people think that all people that claim Jesus as Lord has the Spirit,but if it were so the hypocrisy would be gone,or they might sin,but they would get rid of it and continue in the Spirit,and if everybody that claimed Jesus as Lord was led of the Spirit,this world would be a whole lot better place,and the world would take notice,and would impact a great deal.
Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; and serve ye the LORD. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. Joshua 24:14-15
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
God wants all people to be saved,and many people come to God,and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior,but not all allow the Spirit to lead them.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Some people do not have the right heart condition to be called by God,but He is reaching out to everyone.
Creation testifies there is a higher power that loves people,so the world is without excuse.
But not everybody will heed,and not everybody will seek truth,but go ahead and live how they live,and that is it.
God is reaching out to everyone,and Jesus lights every person that is born in to this world,but not everybody has the right heart condition to be called,like those in positions of power,and those that have been called,some of them do not get chosen,for they did not go far enough in that calling to be right with God,and some are chosen for they allow the Spirit to lead them,hating sin,and loving people.
But God wants all to be saved,but not everybody seeks the truth on the same level,and not everybody accepts the truth on the same level.
Many are called but few are chosen.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
God wants all people to be saved,and many people come to God,and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior,but not all allow the Spirit to lead them.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
1Pe 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
Some people do not have the right heart condition to be called by God,but He is reaching out to everyone.
Creation testifies there is a higher power that loves people,so the world is without excuse.
But not everybody will heed,and not everybody will seek truth,but go ahead and live how they live,and that is it.
God is reaching out to everyone,and Jesus lights every person that is born in to this world,but not everybody has the right heart condition to be called,like those in positions of power,and those that have been called,some of them do not get chosen,for they did not go far enough in that calling to be right with God,and some are chosen for they allow the Spirit to lead them,hating sin,and loving people.
But God wants all to be saved,but not everybody seeks the truth on the same level,and not everybody accepts the truth on the same level.
Many are called but few are chosen.
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Alright, I am doing my best to respond instead of react to the continued disrespect and implication that I don't believe scripture and the false accusation that my beliefs are Pelagian.
1. Only by the Holy Spirit is any one able to do good. God may speak to all people as He did on Mount Sinai, but most do not want to listen. They prefer that Moses speak to them for God.
People are like that today. They prefer for their pastors or elders to speak for them to God and for God to them.
Those people through called Christian live under the Law and have an Old Covenant LIKE relationship with God. Which upon judgement day will condemn them.
However, they chose to have this relationship versus a true relationship with the Living God, Creator and substainer of the universe.
2. I believe God enables people to do good through His Holy spirit even in the Old Testament. Especially through His prophets.
This is NOT the same as saying they were sinless or always good, which would contradict scripture.
However it is acknowledging that all good in the world comes from the Holy spirit moving in the lives of humans throughout time. I believe reformed folks call this "common grace" and Wesleyians call it "Prevenient grace" though I know folks from both sides disagree with me.
3. I believe for some the Holy Spirit only operated externally, others temporarily in the OT. Most did NOT have the indwelling Holy Spirit always. However I do believe that some of the saints looked forward to the Promise of a Messiah and what Jesus would do on the Cross and were held secure in their faith by God.
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Thought about not answering, because I will probably be attacked and belitted by a certain member who has never apologized, but I believe it's more important to speak God's truth as He has this far taught me than avoid conflict or more false accusations.
1. Only by the Holy Spirit is any one able to do good. God may speak to all people as He did on Mount Sinai, but most do not want to listen. They prefer that Moses speak to them for God.
People are like that today. They prefer for their pastors or elders to speak for them to God and for God to them.
Those people through called Christian live under the Law and have an Old Covenant LIKE relationship with God. Which upon judgement day will condemn them.
However, they chose to have this relationship versus a true relationship with the Living God, Creator and substainer of the universe.
2. I believe God enables people to do good through His Holy spirit even in the Old Testament. Especially through His prophets.
This is NOT the same as saying they were sinless or always good, which would contradict scripture.
However it is acknowledging that all good in the world comes from the Holy spirit moving in the lives of humans throughout time. I believe reformed folks call this "common grace" and Wesleyians call it "Prevenient grace" though I know folks from both sides disagree with me.
3. I believe for some the Holy Spirit only operated externally, others temporarily in the OT. Most did NOT have the indwelling Holy Spirit always. However I do believe that some of the saints looked forward to the Promise of a Messiah and what Jesus would do on the Cross and were held secure in their faith by God.
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Thought about not answering, because I will probably be attacked and belitted by a certain member who has never apologized, but I believe it's more important to speak God's truth as He has this far taught me than avoid conflict or more false accusations.
Hmmmm I would not say it like this.
As somebody posted while ago, even the evil persons can do good things. Does it mean it is by the Holy Spirit? I do not know of any Scripture saying it this way.
I think you can behave both good and evil naturaly. But it is not in the meaning "being born of God". Your "soil" will be still wicked,even if, for a time, you can have some nice flower growing from it.
As somebody posted while ago, even the evil persons can do good things. Does it mean it is by the Holy Spirit? I do not know of any Scripture saying it this way.
I think you can behave both good and evil naturaly. But it is not in the meaning "being born of God". Your "soil" will be still wicked,even if, for a time, you can have some nice flower growing from it.
Because it is an evil world and because God does not force us to accept (soften our hearts, move closer to Him, Listen and obey) the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
If we only had one road to travel on, and that road was death because of the sinful flesh, than we wouldn't have a choice. But there is another way (the narrow way), which is made accessible by Jesus to all, and the Holy Spirit Points us to it.
If we can see the narrow way divine Help has been given but that doesn't mean we must choose that path. The reason why some choose the narrow and others choose the wide is why the books will be opened to us in Heaven.
To answer your question, i'm not sure why some choose to accept and others choose to reject Gods Grace. I don't even know why i choose to do some of the things i do.
Like the parable states there's different grounds that the seeds falls on, but notice that God throws the seed to all the ground types.
If we only had one road to travel on, and that road was death because of the sinful flesh, than we wouldn't have a choice. But there is another way (the narrow way), which is made accessible by Jesus to all, and the Holy Spirit Points us to it.
If we can see the narrow way divine Help has been given but that doesn't mean we must choose that path. The reason why some choose the narrow and others choose the wide is why the books will be opened to us in Heaven.
To answer your question, i'm not sure why some choose to accept and others choose to reject Gods Grace. I don't even know why i choose to do some of the things i do.
Like the parable states there's different grounds that the seeds falls on, but notice that God throws the seed to all the ground types.
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Who is the "all" spoken in this passage, or do you just cherry pick how you apply your reading of scripture?
1 Timothy 2 ►
English Standard Version
1First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 3This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the mana Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time
1 Timothy 2 ►
English Standard Version
1First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, 2for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 3This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the mana Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time
Yes, God throws the seed to all the ground. His gospel, preaching, the Word of God, maybe even some kind of faith is a common grace.
But why is it, that some soil is good and some is bad? I think it means that the good one is born of the Spirit. It was not good soil naturaly, but was made so by God.
But why is it, that some soil is good and some is bad? I think it means that the good one is born of the Spirit. It was not good soil naturaly, but was made so by God.