Calvinists,Im Asking...

[Depleted]

One of the reasons we remain in HIM is because as 1john 2 says, we keep ever before us what we began in

THE GIFT of GOD
That CHRIST died so that what was dead might be made alive to GOD through faith in HIS SON

We are truly covered in HIS COVERING

For just as the WORD has said, there will be those who will "go out" from the "city of" REFUGE which GOD has provided in HIS SON

And no one, apart from THE SON, no one without HIS COVERING can approach the altar of the holy presence of GOD...uncovered

Which scripture are you using for your city of refuge understanding?

The reason I ask is because The Sanctuary Cities God set into place were cool ideas. If I accidentally killed someone, even if I repent and pay what the law says to pay, the families still have to deal with the fact I killed their daughter/sister/mother/aunt/brother/father/uncle/cousin. There is no amount of anything I can do to bring that person back and they are angry. They want to see me punished/killed. So God gave us a place to live out of reach of those who'd want to kill us.

Of course we could leave whenever we wanted, but the second we left the city, we have a bull's eye on us. I certainly would miss my family there. My family was free to come and live with me. It would be unwise for me to leave though. So, if they chose not to live with me, I'd have to count on them coming for visits. Again, I could choose to visit them, but I'm not fond of having a bull's eye on my back, so why would I?

Because of my understanding of City of Refuge, I really don't understand how that fit into what you said. I strongly suspect you pulled that out of the NT, and I just don't remember it. So would you mind telling me how you got that and how it fits?

(And, since this is pages later, I suspect it is connected to Ariel's description on the lamb's blood over the mantles in Egypt. Unfair to ask, unless you remember what you were referencing. lol)

 

[notmyown]

Caleb

and this is an interesting point.

the blood of the lamb was a type and shadow of the Blood of the Lamb. their 'salvation' was from the death angel.

it's a picture; a symbol. the whole story is. delivered from bondage in Egypt, delivered from the bondage of sin.
think about it. and real question: was it, for most of that first generation, salvific?
or was it recorded for us in this way?

For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. (Rom 15:4)

 

[trofimus]

I mistakenly thought when he called me "sister" weeks ago, he meant it. Guess I was wrong.

Hi, sister

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by kaylagrl

Just put each other on ignore,I dont see minds changing. You might as well tune each other out.

I don't do good tuning folks out. Sides Jesus said love your enemies, which is hard to do if you tune them out.

I mistakenly thought when he called me "sister" weeks ago, he meant it. Guess I was wrong.

Unfortunately some people think it's their "Christian duty" to call others names and insult them and slander them if you have a different view on a subject then they do.

Kaylagrl is right about putting them on ignore and not interacting with this type of behavior as nothing good comes from it and it only causes strife and division amongst us all.

Personally I have as much interest about what Calvinists believe as I do the ant population in the Amazon forest. It obviously is a subject that is extremely contentious and destructive when the wrong parties are involved.

When the bad behavior types show up - then it's time to stop the conversation because the environment changes and there is no place for understanding or learning from each other in a respectful truthful manner.

We all need each other as none of us has the whole truth about every subject. I am fully convinced that we haven't even scratched the surface yet of what our loving Father and Lord Jesus Christ has done for all of us in this world. The knowledge of their love and grace towards all of us is paramount to growing up in Him.

Love never fails. How all that plays out - I leave it in the Lord's hands.

In the meantime we have the ministry of reconciliation. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself - not counting their sins against them. We beg you on behalf of Christ - be reconciled to God. 2 Cor. 5:18-21

 

[Ariel82]

Hebrew 4 speaks of it, notmyown.

 

[Ariel82]

Why post G777, if as you say you have as much in Calvin beliefs as the rainforest?

you're as bad if not worst.

For he at least has interest in the topic.

What I am tired of is hypocrites who accuse folks and then precede to do the same crime their way.

Respect is a two way street.

The atmosphere isnt set by one,bad Apple.

Takes two to fight,etc.

 

[notmyown]

Hebrew 4 speaks of it, notmyown.

i agree.

 

[Depleted]

I believe that He gives us the choice to believe in Him. He Himself is the Author of choice. I also believe that He is very persuasive when He reveals HIs love for us. I know - I melt when I see Him for who He truly is. I can't imagine people rejecting His love and yet it appears some do in scripture.

I believe in a God who loves the world and His Son died for the world and thus just like Paul said "God is the Savior of the world - especially of believers". Why? Because they believed.

Not sure what Arminians believe. I usually don't play that game as it is a useless one in my experience.

So, you were saved by your own choice? Okay. Simple enough. How did you make that choice? How did you think that out, and how did God win out in your thinking? What were the pros for choosing God? And what were the cons? Not all of them, just the ones you considered that day you chose God.

After all, even if you have to choose lunch, you work out the pros and cons of what you feel like eating. Even for something as simple as deciding to go fishing, you worked out the pros and cons of that. (Cons usually have something to do with cost, and seasickness likelihood, but there are cons, even to fishing.) And for your biggest decisions, you really had to work out the pros and cons.

Hubby wanted me to move to the big city -- Philadelphia. We lived in South Jersey, so not like he asked me to move across the country, only across the river. BUT I'm a small town gal. So much so, that if I accidentally ended up on the bridge to Philadelphia, it terrified me. Every time I drove into this city, I got lost for hours, and my biggest fear was I'd end up in a ghetto, run out of gas, and a big scary Philadelphian would mug me, rape me, or kill me. (Philadelphians walk around with switchblades, doncha know. lol) They were scary people over there. I was so scared to go to Philadelphia, one Sunday night I drove the wrong way and had to choose between getting off in Camden (which really is just one big ghetto) or drive across the bridge to Philly. I burst into tears at the poor tollbooth operator and asked if I could just turn around and go home. (Yes! Kind person said YES! lol)

THAT is the girl hubby asked to move to this city. That was the scariest thing he could ask me, so I took a week measuring the pros and cons.

Surely, deciding to follow God is even bigger than that. So surely, you still remember the pros and cons. What were they? Since you claim you did the righteous act of choosing God, what was your thinking?



And, yeah, still not buying you don't think Calvinism or Arminianism means anything, because you keep coming back to this thread, uploading what you believe and then don't interact with anyone. I suspect the concept of Calvinism and Arminianism scares you so much, you don't want to understand. You simply want to talk others out of Calvinism.

And you're hoping we'll "choose" your way of seeing things.

 

[Grace777x70]

Why post G777, your as bad if not worst.

For he at least has interest in the topic.

Just trying to help out with the constant fighting. Go ahead and fight with them all you want. You have a "free" choice to do so. ( a little pun there.. )

I would have an interest if a subject could be talked about in a respectful manner. If not. I have as much interest as knowing the ant population in the jungle.

 

[Ariel82]

Just trying to help out with the constant fighting. Go ahead and fight with them all you want. You have a "free" choice to do so. ( a little pun there.. )

I would have an interest if a subject could be talked about in a respectful manner. If not. I have as much interest as knowing the ant population in the jungle.

1. You aren't "helping" you are just fanning the flames because you don't show respect to the OP who wants to learn about what CALVINIST believe and instead attack them, which triggers a defensive attack from others.

2. I don't fight with "all of them" or "them all". I just stand up and speak when folks from either side express what I believe to be a lie or misrepresentation of what I or others believe.

3. If more people GAVE respect instead of just talking about it and demanding it for themselves, there would be a whole lot more fellowship and a whole lot less fighting.

 

[trofimus]

So... back to calvinism

 

[Ariel82]

So for the CALVINIST or 5 point Reformed folks....

What is the point of evangelism?

 

[Depleted]

Are you worshiping the Blood or the God who have a means to be saved from the plague?

aka the POWER of the Blood is God's mercy and grace.

Some people shout out "in the name of Jesus" like it's a magic wand to grant all their prayers. Instead of praying "Thy will be done Lord."

they pray "My Will be done, by the BLOOD OF JESUS"

There is no power in selfish prayer and if you spread blood on your threshold now, there is no power in that blood.

The power is from God alone.

My point is: worship God alone, not the signs and outward means of His grace and love.

If you and I were face-to-face, am I talking to your power? Your blood? Your heart? Your brain? Is there any way you are without any of those things?

No blood in you and you're not you. That's a corpse, not you. You're a human.

Jesus is much more than that. His blood means something. It means everything. It is the sacrifice. It did wash the altar and us clean. Blood was most definitely a sign for Jehovah. Jesus fulfilled it beyond what a spotless lamb could ever do.

[video=youtube;0aGJwAENQuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aGJwAENQuk[/video]

 

[Marano]

So for the CALVINIST or 5 point Reformed folks....

What is the point of evangelism?

We evangelize because we are commanded to by the Lord and because that's the means through which He reaches the elect scattered throughout the world. I'm not saying He can't supernaturally save someone who has never heard the gospel by means of dreams and/or visions, it's just the preaching is the primary means that happens.

 

[trofimus]

So for the CALVINIST or 5 point Reformed folks....

What is the point of evangelism?

To call the elect ones to Christ.

And to proclaim judgement to others.

 

[Ariel82]

If you and I were face-to-face, am I talking to your power? Your blood? Your heart? Your brain? Is there any way you are without any of those things?

No blood in you and you're not you. That's a corpse, not you. You're a human.

Jesus is much more than that. His blood means something. It means everything. It is the sacrifice. It did wash the altar and us clean. Blood was most definitely a sign for Jehovah. Jesus fulfilled it beyond what a spotless lamb could ever do.

[video=youtube;0aGJwAENQuk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aGJwAENQuk[/video]

Yeah I get that...

Do you disagree with the below statement"

Some people shout out "in the name of Jesus" like it's a magic wand to grant all their prayers. Instead of praying "Thy will be done Lord."

they pray "My Will be done, by the BLOOD OF JESUS"

There is no power in selfish prayer and if you spread blood on your threshold now, there is no power in that blood.

The power is from God alone.

Cuz there are folks who believe and PREACH that if you say "by the Blood of Jesus" all their wishes will come true.

 

[preacher4truth]

We evangelize because we are commanded to by the Lord

That's why I love this passage, Paul sums it up perfectly:

Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel, for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound! Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 2 Timothy 2:8-10

and because that's the means through which He reaches the elect scattered throughout the world.

Correct! He has revealed the means, and anything else is speculation and mysticism.

I'm not saying He can't supernaturally save someone who has never heard the gospel by means of dreams and/or visions, it's just the preaching is the primary means that happens.

That would be the mysticism of hyper-calvinism and one reason they are anti-evangelistic.

 

[Ariel82]

To bring the elect ones to Christ.

And to proclaim judgement to others.

Does it matter if the elect are mature in Christ or strive for holiness?

What difference does it make if they are non-elect and sin, since they are going to hell anyway?

 

[notmyown]

So for the CALVINIST or 5 point Reformed folks....

What is the point of evangelism?

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (1 Cor 1:21)

that's why.

 

[Ariel82]

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. (1 Cor 1:21)

that's why.

Can you elaborate what you believe this verse means?