Calvinists,Im Asking...

[Depleted]

Titus 3 versus 2...does "all" actually mean all of humanity or just the elect?
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Titus 3
1Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, 2to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.

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Apparently some,Calvinist see "all" and change it to "God's elect". Why in other verses and not this one?

Or do you change it in this one too?

If so it might explain a lot.

You're beginning to annoy me. How long have you known me? And, somehow you think I only work on Titus 3 as something I'm not going to do because they may not be elected?

Which of these sentences do you not understand?

-- We have never been given a list of who is the elected and who isn't.

-- We evangelize because God called us to it.

-- We evangelize because it's a great deal and want everyone in on it.

So, you really think the Calvinist are anti-anyone-who-isn't elected?

Am I not writing in English? Do you not understand English, because if you don't you've been doing a great job at faking it.

What in the world do you want from us?

We close to 1000 post now, and it is as inf not a thing we have said to you has registered to you. It's getting me annoyed.

I take that back. It's not annoyed! It's hurt!

 

[Grandpa]

Was looking at this

Repentance Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

I just remember what folks on here define it as.

I think repentance has all that stuff attached to it. That whole page of stuff.

But I still think that turning to God and turning away from self encompasses all of it. God being the cause, of course.

 

[Depleted]

But I thought the non elect are unable to repent?

Toskadollia posdunky flinghoffin hawest.

I figure since you're not reading anything we say in English might as well make up a language.

This was a waste of days!

I was wrong. You didn't want to learn what we think after all.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Just because a murderer stands when the judge enters doesn't mean he has repented.

Yessir!! In fact, they will never even admit they did it, even after the evidence is overwhelming in their conviction, as they will say they didn't do it all the way to their death.

That's the way they'll stand before God, not repenting of their sins, but probably raising their fists and shaking them at Him.

 

[Grandpa]

You're beginning to annoy me. How long have you known me? And, somehow you think I only work on Titus 3 as something I'm not going to do because they may not be elected?

Which of these sentences do you not understand?

-- We have never been given a list of who is the elected and who isn't.

-- We evangelize because God called us to it.

-- We evangelize because it's a great deal and want everyone in on it.

So, you really think the Calvinist are anti-anyone-who-isn't elected?

Am I not writing in English? Do you not understand English, because if you don't you've been doing a great job at faking it.

What in the world do you want from us?

We close to 1000 post now, and it is as inf not a thing we have said to you has registered to you. It's getting me annoyed.

I take that back. It's not annoyed! It's hurt!

What's hard is that how you perceive Salvation and God is the filter that you use for everything bible related.

Of course a Wesleyan is going to have a problem with Calvin. That's just the way it is. Just like a Calvinist will have a problem with Wesleyan-ism.

Probably not all of it. But at least on some points.

 

[Ariel82]

Sorry you are feeling hurt Lynn.

My post wasn't directed at you.

I have been told by at least 3 members in this forum. That is alright to NOT practice Titus 3 if they don't consider the other person is a brother or sister.

I want to know what do Calvinist do, when someone translate that "all" as only God's elect?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Not to be disrepectful, but repeating your point in different words doesn't really help:

You think both old and new covenant are the same with different people...well God stays constant.

I would like to see scriptures supporting this view. Thanks.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.[Hebrews 13:8]

 

[Ariel82]

Toskadollia posdunky flinghoffin hawest.

I figure since you're not reading anything we say in English might as well make up a language.

This was a waste of days!

I was wrong. You didn't want to learn what we think after all.

You are too easily angered.

 

[Ariel82]

I am just glad GOD has more patience with questions, than most folks on this forum.

Thanks Grandpa and others for answering my questions.

I leave Kayla her thread, because all I seem to do is make folks mad.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So someone who lived in the flesh all their lives,as in they never darkened a church door and lived in sin and accepts the Lord on their deathbed,were they part of the elect?

The last day in view is the day of Judgment and not someone's last day on earth. Yes, if someone calls out to God from their heart on their deathbed, God will save them. He welcomes all who come to Him.[John 6:37]

 

[SovereignGrace]

But I thought the non elect are unable to repent?

They can not repent because they will not repent. Jesus told those Pharisees they would not come to Him, not could not.

 

[Rockrz]

You didn't want to learn what we think after all

Who'd wanna learn about calvin's false doctrine anyways?

 

[MattforJesus]

So someone who lived in the flesh all their lives,as in they never darkened a church door and lived in sin and accepts the Lord on their deathbed,were they part of the elect?

There is a parable concerning this,although it is not a deathbed scenario,it still applies.

Mat 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
Mat 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Mat 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Mat 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Mat 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
Mat 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mat 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

It does not matter if we have lived for Christ for 50 years,30 years,10 years,1 year,or on our deathbed,if we confess Christ we are saved,and all get the same reward,a measly penny,only kidding,eternal life.

So it does not matter if someone confesses Christ with not that much time left on earth,or they have lived for Christ for 50 years,they all get the same reward.It does not matter how long a person lives for Christ,they all get the same reward.

 

[SovereignGrace]

How is this a question for Calvinists?

Because we're vile and peach not the gospel of the Christ.

 

[Rockrz]

Do you get yer peaches from Georgia?

 

[Ariel82]

Because we're vile and peach not the gospel of the Christ.

No because some folks are decent and display heavenly wisdom like patience, gentleness and peace, even if they call themselves reformed.

Just the loud arrogant ones give those who actually follow Jesus teachings and not just preach it, a bad rap.

 

[SovereignGrace]

But I thought the non elect are unable to repent?

You have a false view of the unregenerate to ask this question, imo. Look, the lost aren't walking around saying to themselves, "boy, I wish I had a way to get to God, because if there was, I'd rush to get in." The lost want nothing less than God. They do not want to worship Him. They do not want to serve Him. They do not want to be in His ppl's company for very long moments, as they love themselves and sin way too much to do this.

 

[SovereignGrace]

No because some folks are decent and display heavenly wisdom like patience, gentleness and peace, even if they call themselves reformed.

Just the loud arrogant ones give those who actually follow Jesus teachings and not just preach it, a bad rap.

Well, the way my posts come across to me at times makes me wonder how others will view it. So, there's no way to tell if someone's being snarky or not sometimes. Brother P4T is just a blunt person. To be honest, sometimes I need to be that way, too.

 

[Rockrz]

They do not want to worship Him. They do not want to serve Him

That's not true... back in my party days as a young guy I came across numerous people that wanted to quit partying and live for God but obviously had trouble doing so.

Not everyone is hell bent to continue rejecting God... they hear stuff like you are talking about and they think God's people reject them as some claim they are lost and they shouldn't bother with it.

God is not pleased with that narrative and it looks like calvin's people have a tendency to take on the holier than thou attitude in spite of their doctrine being false and all. God will judge...

 

[Ariel82]

Who'd wanna learn about calvin's false doctrine anyways?

Those who love folks as God told them to and not and the world does.

You learn what is true and false by the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Labels don't explain what people really mean.

I know many people who don't want to sin.. They have a false gospel but you can see that God is drawing them. God has many ways to set them free. One of those ways is fellowship with brothers and sisters in love and heavenly wisdom.

I had a mentor on here who displayed that type of wisdom. He was reformed.he never got mad at my questions and he never yelled at me or call me names. Though I probably frustrated the snoot out of him.

I don't see too many mature Christians who post frequently, but I figured they get drowned out by the loud mouths. Or they have real life ministries and are busy serving God in that manner.

Unfortunately God called him back home.

Seems that most of the mature Christians who visit here are homebound and unable to minister face to face.

Mostly we get immature loud mouths.