Walking by the Spirit

[Grace777x70]

how does God do His work?

By beholding Christ in the inner man. We are saved by His life that is in us. We behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror and the Holy Spirit transforms us. 2 Cor. 3:17-18.

We participate in this with the Lord "For it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure." Phil. 2:13

I encourage you to listen to the teaching in post # 15 when you have time and then we can have a chat about it if you like.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/152807-walking-spirit.html#post3102909

 

[slave]

How do we Know Gods will? isnt His will manifest in His word? <<thats my take, and i agree people are at different places, what makes us grow however is to accept the word of God and let go of what is contrary to it, because His will is made plain as it pertains to mankind, its why the Bible was spoken by the Lord, and preserved through men who heard and did what He said to do.

How does God do work in the world today? those Who are willing to Hear and follow His word. or " servants of God" he has no hands of flesh, His hands operate through ours, the willing. He has no money to give to the needy, He gives to them through our willingness to share. and so on, christianity comes down to What God said to the world through Jesus Christ

christ- ians followers of His truth.

By the Word - Yes, which again, is "...alive and active". But also the intuitions of the Holy Spirit unto our own spirit (and not the mind, that comes into play as a secondary tool to serve the spirit accurately in Him), which we must exercise to sharpen in hearing it, from the Holy Spirit, and in real-time no less.

The problem for many is that we think "I have already died on the Cross with Jesus! It's Over!" And that is the first revelation, a wonderful revelation that helps us then go on to battle and change our transformed life and mind into action....hence, putting to death the things of the flesh.

But what satan evokes is a message that suggests, "Well, if it is finished then this ebb (falling back away from God) and flow (the joy of the Lord, and maturing in Character) in life 'is normal' and must be resolved to always be normal!" God graces us with His going alongside us, not making mature creators from a factory to do His bidding. He loves us and wants us to be apart of the Kingdom of Heaven, which appalls satan to think God has chosen such lowly creators to be so apart of Him.

We have maturing to do (all of us), but the power of God and His will means to destroy sin not to co-exist with it, in each and everyone of us. Eventually in His finished work over our life we will have the characteristics of Christ Himself evoking God's will over everything that is not of it.So, let us put aside satan's temptations, and listen intently to God. If the world has a death sentence which is irrevocable then lets think in our spirit, and heart...for a moment sit still and wait for Him to move you, we rush to want things handed to us in our timing, but instead rest in Christ sitting in things already accomplished in Him. And let's ponder somethings thru our spirit: "If I need a sin, crave a sin, and fall to that sin,"Why am I investing in death?" That's a powerful revelation isn't it?

Its because, we don't have that revelation attached to our understanding because we don't listen to His Spirit talk to ours is why we instead listen to satan and try to expunge our wrongs with God's help. This is a losing battle, and sooner or later we concede to satan's message: this ebb and flow is normal always, having nothing to do with normal spiritual growing up.. God on the other hand says for us to do something, given us by His spirit, to ours if we are listening, by way of acknowledging our death, and His resurrection to oust the evil that ebbs us.To use all the resources of His Kingdom to so bear fruit there. Our strongholds are not strong at all to Him. His empowerment to stand on solid ground in our spirit over the death sentence of our soul and flesh which again will never be redeemed- ever - will set you free!

We tend to think all men are notoriously good gone wrong. But Christ is telling us we are bad turned to death. we must make a drastic realignment and change in the way we live and by how we live. This area of Spiritual and spiritual awareness is vital, so I am glad you have posted it!

The knowledge most lacking among believers today concerns the existence of the human spirit and its function. Many believers do not know they have a spirit in addition to their mind, emotion, and will. Even after hearing that there is a spirit within man, they either think that their mind, emotion, or will is the spirit, or they are puzzled and do not know where their spirit is. This ignorance is a very serious matter. Because of this, believers do not know how to cooperate with God, control themselves, and fight against Satan, since all these three things require the work of the spirit.


The most important thing that a believer should know is that there is a spirit within him besides the thought, knowledge, and imagination of the mind; the feeling, love, and desire of the emotion; and the ideas, opinion, and determination of the will. The spirit is deeper than the mind, emotion, and will. A believer should know that he has a spirit; he also should know the feeling of the spirit, its working, its power, and the principle of its activity. Only in this way will a believer be able to know how to walk according to the spirit, not according to the fleshly soul or body.

 

[KJV1611]

Again he is talking about what i said earlier when i said he is talking about being under the law, and still a slave to sin... He is saying that even when he tries to do right the sin nature inside of him is still... We are set free from that law and slavery.. Romans 8:2 The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. .. can you accept this truth or no?

Taking it directly from Romans 7 which ties into exactly what you're talking about, Christians aren't under the law. Paul who at this point is not under the law says that "I do that which I would not", he still falls short. The reason Paul no longer sins is because HE CONSENTS THAT THE LAW IS GOOD. The sin that STILL comes from Paul now comes from the sin that dwells in Paul. But the main point is that Paul still sins but he IS NOT guilty of sin because of the sinful body he and all of us dwell in. Does that make sense, Paul is still sinning even after he doesn't sin anymore.


Romans 7:16-17 KJV
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[followjesus]

Here lies a problem, I'm not saying anything contrary to what the bible teaches.

Have i said you were?

 

[followjesus]

By the Word - Yes, which again, is "...alive and active". But also the intuitions of the Holy Spirit unto our own spirit (and not the mind, that comes into play as a secondary tool to serve the spirit accurately in Him), which we must exercise to sharpen in hearing it, from the Holy Spirit, and in real-time no less.

The problem for many is that we think "I have already died on the Cross with Jesus! It's Over!" And that is the first revelation, a wonderful revelation that helps us then go on to battle and change our transformed life and mind into action....hence, putting to death the things of the flesh.

But what satan evokes is a message that suggests, "Well, if it is finished then this ebb (falling back away from God) and flow (the joy of the Lord, and maturing in Character) in life 'is normal' and must be resolved to always be normal!" God graces us with His going alongside us, not making mature creators from a factory to do His bidding. He loves us and wants us to be apart of the Kingdom of Heaven, which appalls satan to think God has chosen such lowly creators to be so apart of Him.

We have maturing to do (all of us), but the power of God and His will means to destroy sin not to co-exist with it, in each and everyone of us. Eventually in His finished work over our life we will have the characteristics of Christ Himself evoking God's will over everything that is not of it.So, let us put aside satan's temptations, and listen intently to God. If the world has a death sentence which is irrevocable then lets think in our spirit, and heart...for a moment sit still and wait for Him to move you, we rush to want things handed to us in our timing, but instead rest in Christ sitting in things already accomplished in Him. And let's ponder somethings thru our spirit: "If I need a sin, crave a sin, and fall to that sin,"Why am I investing in death?" That's a powerful revelation isn't it?

Its because, we don't have that revelation attached to our understanding because we don't listen to His Spirit talk to ours is why we instead listen to satan and try to expunge our wrongs with God's help. This is a losing battle, and sooner or later we concede to satan's message: this ebb and flow is normal always, having nothing to do with normal spiritual growing up.. God on the other hand says for us to do something, given us by His spirit, to ours if we are listening, by way of acknowledging our death, and His resurrection to oust the evil that ebbs us.To use all the resources of His Kingdom to so bear fruit there. Our strongholds are not strong at all to Him. His empowerment to stand on solid ground in our spirit over the death sentence of our soul and flesh which again will never be redeemed- ever - will set you free!

We tend to think all men are notoriously good gone wrong. But Christ is telling us we are bad turned to death. we must make a drastic realignment and change in the way we live and by how we live. This area of Spiritual and spiritual awareness is vital, so I am glad you have posted it!

The knowledge most lacking among believers today concerns the existence of the human spirit and its function. Many believers do not know they have a spirit in addition to their mind, emotion, and will. Even after hearing that there is a spirit within man, they either think that their mind, emotion, or will is the spirit, or they are puzzled and do not know where their spirit is. This ignorance is a very serious matter. Because of this, believers do not know how to cooperate with God, control themselves, and fight against Satan, since all these three things require the work of the spirit.


The most important thing that a believer should know is that there is a spirit within him besides the thought, knowledge, and imagination of the mind; the feeling, love, and desire of the emotion; and the ideas, opinion, and determination of the will. The spirit is deeper than the mind, emotion, and will. A believer should know that he has a spirit; he also should know the feeling of the spirit, its working, its power, and the principle of its activity. Only in this way will a believer be able to know how to walk according to the spirit, not according to the fleshly soul or body.

that is really great stuff, really great thank you for taking the time there. God bless you and Keep you

 

[followjesus]

By beholding Christ in the inner man. We are saved by His life that is in us. We behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror and the Holy Spirit transforms us. 2 Cor. 3:17-18.

We participate in this with the Lord "For it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure." Phil. 2:13

I encourage you to listen to the teaching in post # 15 when you have time and then we can have a chat about it if you like.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/152807-walking-spirit.html#post3102909

How did God create the world ? what did He do? is what i was asking though

 

[Grace777x70]

This below is also talking about how we "follow Christ" now that we are in Him and Christ is in us. This is also walking "by the spirit" where Christ and us are one spirit with Him.

Jesus said that He lived by the Father inside of Him. He said that it is the Father inside Him who is doing His works - not Jesus. He could do nothing of His own initiative.

As Jesus lived by the life of the Father in Him - with total dependence on His life - so we too live by the life of Christ inside of us manifesting His life as a fruit of our union as one spirit with Christ. We too can do nothing without Christ.

We live now from the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of liberty in Christ, the law of faith ( the law is NOT of faith ) , the law of Christ Himself.

These laws of Christ Himself will manifest His life in and through us and we will not need to "obey" an external law such as in Lev. 18:23 to not have sex with animals. The life of Christ will keep us from doing that. We can trust Him inside of us who is our life.

For we have died and our life is hidden with Christ in God. Col.3:3

 

[Grace777x70]

How did God create the world ? what did He do? is what i was asking though

He spoke out what He saw within Himself. The Father used the true Word which came in the flesh of which we call Jesus in English. The Holy Spirit brought about these things. We see all 3 in operation creating the world. Here we see the Trinity in manifestation working together to get what they desired for us - the objects of their love.

This is exactly how we are transformed too. BY the Father's heart and will because of His great love and grace towards us - together with the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and as we behold Christ - the Holy Spirit transforms us as has been said a few times before.

 

[Meggido]

Taking it directly from Romans 7 which ties into exactly what you're talking about, Christians aren't under the law. Paul who at this point is not under the law says that "I do that which I would not", he still falls short. The reason Paul no longer sins is because HE CONSENTS THAT THE LAW IS GOOD. The sin that STILL comes from Paul now comes from the sin that dwells in Paul. But the main point is that Paul still sins but he IS NOT guilty of sin because of the sinful body he and all of us dwell in. Does that make sense, Paul is still sinning even after he doesn't sin anymore.


Romans 7:16-17 KJV
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

The bible does not teach that you have 2 natures fighting in you. You have one or the other.


I think you need to study your identity in Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

I'm not advising anybody to gratify their flesh. Do me a favor before you quit talking to me lol, correct me on walking in the spirit... explain the meaning of Romans 8:9, just put it in your own words."

you arent hearing me friend, its not my words you need, its Gods word. to understand romans 8:9. you need to let the rest of whats all around it in scripture define it, does that make sense.

listen, i apologize if you are offended, that wasnt my intention. you asked about me and my life. i have probably sinned more than most people in this forum, was an adulterer, alcoholic, drug addict, fornicator, took pleasure in violence, just to name a few. im telling you that what Gods word says about freedom from the old sinner in us all is absolutely 100 percent true. it means what it says. something as simple as believing Gods word, works wonders, true wonders in us. was i going to hell 15 years ago? i cant tell you either way, because I have a judge that i must stand before one day and make account of my deeds according to the Knowledge given to me. sin is defined as " knowing the right thing to do, and not doing it, to him it is sin."

like i said i dont know you or your life, i was honestly trying to make a very simple point that you have apparently not perceived, one verse isnt the story, all of the context around it matter in order to understand it.

as for that verse, you have to read from romans 6-8 because paul makes deep points and always we have to hear whats being said rather than choosing one scripture and omitting another let me show you where understanding that verse comes from

romans 8:5-14 "For they that are after the flesh do MIND THE THING OF THE FLESH; but they that are after the Spirit the THING OF THE SPIRIT. 6For to be carnally MINDED is death; but to be spiritually MINDED is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. BUT IF the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth IN YOU.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if YE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH, YE SHALL DIE: but if ye through the Spirit do MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YE SHALL LIVE.14For as many as are LED BY the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."


Do you see what a difference it makes when one verse isnt trying to be understood, while excluding the rest?

when you are seeing " by the spirit mortify the deeds of the body" its why i quoted this in my very first comment

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU , they ARE SPIRIT, and they are LIFE."

when paul is speaking about the spirit he is talking about Jesus word, the word of Christ, thats what mortifies our sin living in us.

im not gonna stop talking to you lol just letting this conversation go because it sems to have a potential to end up in an argument, and i was simply offering some scripture to you thats really clear in that first comment. im not at all looking down on you, trying to insult you, condemning you, accusing you, i was offering a bit of something that is true to add to your own understanding. you are always welcome to talk to me anytime about any subject, im just trying to not argue, so i appologize if i offended or insulted you.

God bless you, and keep you.

I'm not offended at all, I don't think you said anything offensive. You think I don't know the bible and I think you don't know the bible lol.

How do you think the Spirit kills the deeds of the flesh? I think your answer would be that if you try really hard to do the right things then the Spirit will kill them and they will no longer exist.... unless YOU start doing bad things again, then God will resurrect those mortified deeds and you will have to do good again until God kills them again for you. If I'm wrong bouut this don't get mad lol just tell me I got it wrong.

I believe the spirit kills the deeds of the flesh by doing away with the law... where there is no law sin is not imputed. ALL things are lawful - that means ALL THINGS are lawful for me, but most are not expedient.

1 Corinthians 6:12 KJV
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

 

[KJV1611]

The bible does not teach that you have 2 natures fighting in you. You have one or the other.


I think you need to study your identity in Christ.

What is this?

Romans 7:21-23 KJV
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

 

[followjesus]

As Jesus lived by the life of the Father in Him - with total dependence on His life - so we too live by the life of Christ inside of us manifesting His life as a fruit of our union as one spirit with Christ. We too can do nothing without Christ.


why not go to Jesus to define CHRIST ianity?

john 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I DO ALWAYS those things that please him."

thats how Jesus lived by the Life of the Father, He obeyed the Fathers commandments. this then is what He teaches to christians or His disciples if you will.

john 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."


as many times as we talk in circles, it still remains all about the Word of God given through Jesus. we can say " behold christ in the inner man" <<< the issue is thats a statement, that has no real definition until a person accepts the Word of God and Learns from Jesus. we certainly dont see Jesus litterally, with our physical eyes, and if we are resistant to accept His word of truth, our inner man cant see Him eather.

the Law of Love <<what is that? how do we Know how God sees Love?

1 john 5:3 "[FONT=&quot]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

seems Love and the commandments have a relationship? so maybe the Law is not replaced by the word Love, but it is SUMMED UP breifly in the Word Love?

romans 13:9 "[/FONT]For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

seems that what God said is where we find understanding for things like " the Law of love" <<< that means different things to different people. one guy " loves His wife" yet he treats her like dirt. another Loves His wife, and acts toward Her with that Love.

"the Law of love" doesnt erase the commandments of God, it keeps them, to say " the law of Love" is another way of saying the commandments, its a way to sum them up.


if i love, i will have no other Gods apart from the One who is true and so good and our creator. if i Love, i wont cheat on my wife, if i Love i wont steal from another person, if i Love i wont bear false witness, or lie to another person, if i Love........it will look like the word of God. when we say " walk by the spirit" <<<that has a deeper meaning than just a cool sounding phrase, and its definition is found in only 1 place, the Word of God according to the Lord Jesus Christ. who says again and again, that Hos words are the very words of God. in order to help another along, we have to explain what we are saying and not throw out phrases like " behold christ" because yu know.....whats that mean how is that possible? whats it really mean to a person who is looking to "behold christ?" and an explaination has to follow what God said and not what another guy says thats not in accordance with it. thats my own belief, i respect urs always, i prefer salvation according to Jesus and His word, because it works as He says it does

 

[KJV1611]

What is this?

Romans 7:21-23 KJV
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Let me guess, Paul wasn't saved when he wrote this part of Romans lol.

 

[followjesus]

I'm not offended at all, I don't think you said anything offensive. You think I don't know the bible and I think you don't know the bible lol.

How do you think the Spirit kills the deeds of the flesh? I think your answer would be that if you try really hard to do the right things then the Spirit will kill them and they will no longer exist.... unless YOU start doing bad things again, then God will resurrect those mortified deeds and you will have to do good again until God kills them again for you. If I'm wrong bouut this don't get mad lol just tell me I got it wrong.

I believe the spirit kills the deeds of the flesh by doing away with the law... where there is no law sin is not imputed. ALL things are lawful - that means ALL THINGS are lawful for me, but most are not expedient.

1 Corinthians 6:12 KJV
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Im glad you arent offended, and i hope in the future to be able to come together in a different subject and possibly learn from each other, God bless buddy and if nothing else, press forward ion Gods things as He is willing and always waiting and WELL able.

 

[followjesus]

He spoke out what He saw within Himself. The Father used the true Word which came in the flesh of which we call Jesus in English. The Holy Spirit brought about these things. We see all 3 in operation creating the world. Here we see the Trinity in manifestation working together to get what they desired for us - the objects of their love.

This is exactly how we are transformed too. BY the Father's heart and will because of His great love and grace towards us - together with the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and as we behold Christ - the Holy Spirit transforms us as has been said a few times before.

"He spoke " <<<< thats what im saying, so how then does God do His work? He speaks........God is the same then and now. He spoke through the Lord Jesus, and that is the power of creation in us, the same God who spoke and said " Let there be light...and light simply became, has said " Let there be in the words of Jesus Christ.

 

[KJV1611]

Im glad you arent offended, and i hope in the future to be able to come together in a different subject and possibly learn from each other, God bless buddy and if nothing else, press forward ion Gods things as He is willing and always waiting and WELL able.

I'm sure we're in full agreement on may other things.

 

[followjesus]

I'm sure we're in full agreement on may other things.

i would agree lol <<< 1st confirmation haha....God bless ya man

 

[Grace777x70]

"He spoke " <<<< thats what im saying, so how then does God do His work? He speaks........God is the same then and now. He spoke through the Lord Jesus, and that is the power of creation in us, the same God who spoke and said " Let there be light...and light simply became, has said " Let there be in the words of Jesus Christ.

Yes...Jesus said "As the Father has sent Me - so send I you.". Jesus lived with complete dependence on His Father's life in Him and to do His will.

Jesus didn't just follow a carnal command - Jesus lived off of the life of the Father in Him and His Father's word about Him - "This is my Son in who I am well pleased".

We too follow after Christ in our new creation. There is a vast difference between not committing adultery because it is a commandment - ( which is what the law of Moses was based on) and not committing adultery or lusting after someone because of the life of Christ in us manifesting His life.

The carnal keeping of commandments are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Christians living from the same truth of how the Father sent Jesus and Jesus lived by the Father's life in Him are now eating from the tree of Life which is Christ Himself manifesting His life in us - this causes us to walk by love.

These are totally 2 different belief systems.

Anyway - I am done for the night. Have a great rest of the night. Bless you..

 

[Desertsrose]

Romans 7:17 —no longer I but sin
THE CRY OF DEFEAT!

Galatians 2:20—no longer I but Christ​

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THE CRY OF VICTORY!​

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[FreeNChrist]

How do we walk by the Spirit? How do we keep in step with the Spirit?

By faith

What does that look like?

1 Corinthians 13:4-7