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This has been discussed by me many times here NNM.
It's just that no one here wants to hear it.
Well, actually, some here DO understand it --- it's just a small number that does NOT want to hear it.
Jesus DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW.
Then you hear that this is not what they said.
Wow. It sure sounds like that's what they're saying!!!
It's just that no one here wants to hear it.
Well, actually, some here DO understand it --- it's just a small number that does NOT want to hear it.
Jesus DID NOT COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW.
Then you hear that this is not what they said.
Wow. It sure sounds like that's what they're saying!!!
The work is finished when you recieve your salvation certificate written in the the book of like when your final chapter is finished..
To me life means life.. and this is why its called the book of life... because are lifetime events are written in there..
So when your final chapter is complete you recieve your approval and not until its over..
when the trumpets will blow and the lady will sing. And old aquaintances will be renewed...[video=youtube;DJwfsYxDgJ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwfsYxDgJ4[/video]
To me life means life.. and this is why its called the book of life... because are lifetime events are written in there..
So when your final chapter is complete you recieve your approval and not until its over..
when the trumpets will blow and the lady will sing. And old aquaintances will be renewed...[video=youtube;DJwfsYxDgJ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwfsYxDgJ4[/video]
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I don't think we can limit sanctification merely to obeying the commands of Jesus.
If we have been sanctified that means we have been made Holy and set apart.
We have not been set apart to just purely obey the commands of Jesus.
To me it goes way beyond that, it encompasses our whole being our whole selves.
I for myself add another level in that I ask God to conform me to the image of Christ to be like Christ.
Jesus summed up the 10 commandments in the two greatest commandments.
One of the major criticism of the Pharisees was how they used the law to justify themselves before God at the expense of others.
They followed the letter of the law but not the spirit.
So to me as I said for me it's to be conformed to the image of Christ, to be holy just like he is.
I want to be just like Jesus when it comes to way of how Jesus walked when on earth.
He was filled with compassion and love for the needy, the hurting, the neglected, the marginalised.
He healed on the sabbath much to the disgust of the law keepers.
He dined with sinners, he cried for and over people.
He did this because he loved people so so much, the love of the Father was in him.
Thats what I want to be like, that's what I aspire for in me life. To love people as Jesus loved people, to have that pure unadulterated love flow through for others.
So to that is a layer of sanctification I pray for, as that works I will grow more in being conformed into his image and as a natural response obeying what Jesus has asked me to do and be.
If we have been sanctified that means we have been made Holy and set apart.
We have not been set apart to just purely obey the commands of Jesus.
To me it goes way beyond that, it encompasses our whole being our whole selves.
I for myself add another level in that I ask God to conform me to the image of Christ to be like Christ.
Jesus summed up the 10 commandments in the two greatest commandments.
One of the major criticism of the Pharisees was how they used the law to justify themselves before God at the expense of others.
They followed the letter of the law but not the spirit.
So to me as I said for me it's to be conformed to the image of Christ, to be holy just like he is.
I want to be just like Jesus when it comes to way of how Jesus walked when on earth.
He was filled with compassion and love for the needy, the hurting, the neglected, the marginalised.
He healed on the sabbath much to the disgust of the law keepers.
He dined with sinners, he cried for and over people.
He did this because he loved people so so much, the love of the Father was in him.
Thats what I want to be like, that's what I aspire for in me life. To love people as Jesus loved people, to have that pure unadulterated love flow through for others.
So to that is a layer of sanctification I pray for, as that works I will grow more in being conformed into his image and as a natural response obeying what Jesus has asked me to do and be.
Since you insist that we do good works because we LOVE Jesus and do not state that it is absolutely imperative that we do good works,
You are, in effect, preaching Easy Believism and Cheap Grace.
JESUS DEMANDS THAT WE DO GOOD WORKS.
He does not REQUEST it because we love Him.
This could be a REASON why we do good works,
There ARE other reasons....
We each have our own reason FOR FOLLOWING WHAT JESUS COMMANDED.
You are, in effect, preaching Easy Believism and Cheap Grace.
JESUS DEMANDS THAT WE DO GOOD WORKS.
He does not REQUEST it because we love Him.
This could be a REASON why we do good works,
There ARE other reasons....
We each have our own reason FOR FOLLOWING WHAT JESUS COMMANDED.
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No I mean like actually having a conversation and prayerful way.
God teaches His kids His wisdom in many different ways and it's not "magically".
The first and primary way is through the Bible and His Holy Spirit.
Next is through the Church and Holy Spirit filled members who have been given the spiritual gift of teaching....which you don't have, no matter how many Catholic adult classes you have taught.
Then also he teaches through circumstances of life and nature. Also through dreams and visions. However God primarily teaches through the Bible, prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He reinforces the lessons through people,dreams and circumstances of life.
God teaches His kids His wisdom in many different ways and it's not "magically".
The first and primary way is through the Bible and His Holy Spirit.
Next is through the Church and Holy Spirit filled members who have been given the spiritual gift of teaching....which you don't have, no matter how many Catholic adult classes you have taught.
Then also he teaches through circumstances of life and nature. Also through dreams and visions. However God primarily teaches through the Bible, prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. He reinforces the lessons through people,dreams and circumstances of life.
Anyways i herd a sermon yesterday from Joseph prince with 3 other leading preachers.
which joel oelsteen and his wife..
Joe and lorry.
anf a couple of others i forget there name but anyways joseph and all thees other guys are now starting to preach hope for salvation..
Joseph said that we can be eternaly saved.. and expressed grace as an inward feeling of security..
He also expressed That we should also do as the bible instructs and that is to ware the helmet of hope in other word play the part..
which joel oelsteen and his wife..
Joe and lorry.
anf a couple of others i forget there name but anyways joseph and all thees other guys are now starting to preach hope for salvation..
Joseph said that we can be eternaly saved.. and expressed grace as an inward feeling of security..
He also expressed That we should also do as the bible instructs and that is to ware the helmet of hope in other word play the part..
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Anything that isn't a works based salvation model (you must do good works to keep your salvation) is labeled "easy believism" to you FranC. You build on a false foundation with cracks labeled "my good works to save me"
I say you should do good works out of Love for Jesus and you call that cheap grace?
Really?
I say you should do good works out of Love for Jesus and you call that cheap grace?
Really?
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I think peter is a blessed and truly seeking..
Hes also Good at making you look into heart matters and is always Good in making you remeber the spirit im not aware he knows but he has truly made me see good works for what they are good..and thats that...
We did are diffrences to begin with but now ive gotten to know him i can see someone looking to the work of God and amen to God for peter.. the rock of cc
Hes also Good at making you look into heart matters and is always Good in making you remeber the spirit im not aware he knows but he has truly made me see good works for what they are good..and thats that...
We did are diffrences to begin with but now ive gotten to know him i can see someone looking to the work of God and amen to God for peter.. the rock of cc