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That seems to be your take.
I wouldn't say that given
John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Truth is we have no idea who is saved and who is not. Therefore we are not to judge that.
But from my viewpoint that promise will continue to be offered until God says "That's it folks time up"
You are right in one thing that there will be many unsaved people and to me it's not to do with God not offering up his son to just about anyone but it is a result of people not accepting the promise given in the above verses.
I wouldn't say that given
John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Truth is we have no idea who is saved and who is not. Therefore we are not to judge that.
But from my viewpoint that promise will continue to be offered until God says "That's it folks time up"
You are right in one thing that there will be many unsaved people and to me it's not to do with God not offering up his son to just about anyone but it is a result of people not accepting the promise given in the above verses.
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Matthew 7:3-5 New International Version (NIV)
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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So, remind me; what is it each is trying to offer in Gods economy here? The simple titles of which...are?
......................Matthew 7:3-5 New International Version (NIV)
“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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So, remind me; what is it each is trying to offer in Gods economy here? The simple titles of which...are?
Trying to tell them to depend on the bible and not on anyone else.
I would like to get across that we ARE required to do SOMETHING. Whatever that is depends on the person. We are each different.
This is why it's called a Personal Relationship.
I'd like to warn everyone to stay with Jesus all their life since sanctification is an ongoing process and is not concluded till the end of life.
That's why I'M here.
This is how I was taught by two different churces. This is how what I say is understood by some people I know...who really know.
I just hope new Christians are encouraged by knowing that Jesus loves them and that everything they do in life is a gift to Him who did so much for them.
This post is also for those reading along.
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im not 100% everything HE knows but i looked into the old law
incase mockers try to say im wrong for eating pork (dietary laws too)
or wearing mixed fabrics
or not stoning people
im not jewish or held to a theocracy
the law of my land is different
christians follow Jesus
not the law of moses
incase mockers try to say im wrong for eating pork (dietary laws too)
or wearing mixed fabrics
or not stoning people
im not jewish or held to a theocracy
the law of my land is different
christians follow Jesus
not the law of moses
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I would say that actually there is no such things as cheap grace.
We actually know the grace offered by God came as a result of a great price paid.
I would say it's actually treating Grace cheaply.
I think this is what Paul addressed
Romans 5:20 - 6:2
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
He then goes on to reveal the price
Romans 6:3-4
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
The death of Jesus.
I have actually sin this in action myself.
A couple I knew were sleeping together before marriage with the attitude of "It's ok we are forgiven or will be forgiven"
Shocking attitude.
Part of of the problem today is that maybe the church is not preaching to price paid for grace and what it truly means to be a follower of Jesus.
But we need to separate what true saving faith is and what is not and as we can see there are differences of opinion.
Having said that though to me it can happen that people do not walk in the way of the commitment they have said they made BUT that doesn't necessarily mean they are not saved.
We need to come alongside and find out why.
My very simple example for me was before I became a Christian I used to read my horoscope. I became a Christian but still read my horoscope. When someone realised this (because I said to them "my horoscope said today) he took me to task, in a loving way.
I think further that if a person does stumble the Father will pick them up.
One thing I have seen and concerns me is that there is lack of true Christian birthing process.
What it actually means to be a believer and a true believer would never Jesus as a one way ticket to heaven regardless of what we do without regard to him.
We actually know the grace offered by God came as a result of a great price paid.
I would say it's actually treating Grace cheaply.
I think this is what Paul addressed
Romans 5:20 - 6:2
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
He then goes on to reveal the price
Romans 6:3-4
Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
The death of Jesus.
I have actually sin this in action myself.
A couple I knew were sleeping together before marriage with the attitude of "It's ok we are forgiven or will be forgiven"
Shocking attitude.
Part of of the problem today is that maybe the church is not preaching to price paid for grace and what it truly means to be a follower of Jesus.
But we need to separate what true saving faith is and what is not and as we can see there are differences of opinion.
Having said that though to me it can happen that people do not walk in the way of the commitment they have said they made BUT that doesn't necessarily mean they are not saved.
We need to come alongside and find out why.
My very simple example for me was before I became a Christian I used to read my horoscope. I became a Christian but still read my horoscope. When someone realised this (because I said to them "my horoscope said today) he took me to task, in a loving way.
I think further that if a person does stumble the Father will pick them up.
One thing I have seen and concerns me is that there is lack of true Christian birthing process.
What it actually means to be a believer and a true believer would never Jesus as a one way ticket to heaven regardless of what we do without regard to him.
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Appeals to authority is a logical fallacy.
There is one truth God's.
I can tell you what I believe God's truth is and you can tell me what you believe God's truth is.
You hear the words eternal security and automatically build up this false doctrine strawmen you don't agree with in your head.
Can you tell me what I mean when I say eternal security?
I have told you, but were you listening?
So far the main objections to accepting the doctrine of eternal security is
1. What it means to fall away
2. Beliefs it leads to a sinful life style
3. Misunderstanding what the doctrine actually teaches or learning a false doctrine taught by a false teacher with the same name.
Are there more?
There is one truth God's.
I can tell you what I believe God's truth is and you can tell me what you believe God's truth is.
You hear the words eternal security and automatically build up this false doctrine strawmen you don't agree with in your head.
Can you tell me what I mean when I say eternal security?
I have told you, but were you listening?
So far the main objections to accepting the doctrine of eternal security is
1. What it means to fall away
2. Beliefs it leads to a sinful life style
3. Misunderstanding what the doctrine actually teaches or learning a false doctrine taught by a false teacher with the same name.
Are there more?
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Translation: People that talk against "cheap grace" are attackers & don't believe in Christ's work on the cross, nor the resurrection.
My, what a horrific judgment call, saying we're going to hell. Where else can we go with a judgment like that?
Translation: We "sinners" are at war with the cheap gracers, and cheap grace is our salvation, not what the Bible says.
God's goodness & glory shall fill the Earth during the Falling Away.
If you can't see thru that it's cause you don't want to.
My, what a horrific judgment call, saying we're going to hell. Where else can we go with a judgment like that?
Translation: We "sinners" are at war with the cheap gracers, and cheap grace is our salvation, not what the Bible says.
God's goodness & glory shall fill the Earth during the Falling Away.
If you can't see thru that it's cause you don't want to.