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PeterJens

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Christian, the right hand of God prophet.

I am here to bring submission of the pagans into submission.
Disagree with me and boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

Listen to my words, and do not tell me what I am saying.
Disagree with me and boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

How dare you build a model of my beliefs, you know nothing of what we believe.
Boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

Say anything to me, tell me what you believe, and I will tell you what you believe.
Boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

It is interesting how repetitious some interactions become, and even defining their
ideas is not allowed. I do love the circus act though, it is like people lining up to be
shot at, and they do not know why they end up angry and in disarray. :cool:
 
PeterJens

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Imagine a line of ideas


1. Only those who walk righteously without fault are saved.
2. Only those who have faith in Christ, and desire to walk after Christ but are working with failure
3. Only those who at some point have known Christ and faith
4. Everyone as they will all come to faith at some point

I like this idea, because it illustrates different people and their approaches.
Sinless perfection is an interesting idea or notion.
I have not met someone that in control of everything that this is possible, but to define
it is helpful. If Christ came to your front door and asked to come in, would you then say
here is a sinless perfect person.

But what does this actually mean. What are the characteristics that Paul encouraged people
to have that Jesus had, and which are definately not involved.

Now I ask because Jesus is our example, and we aspire to be like Him. With such an aspiration
would we not want to know what is He like?
 
JIMBO43

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[h=1]Proverbs 14:14Good News Translation (GNT)[/h] [SUP]14 [/SUP]Bad people will get what they deserve. Good people will be rewarded for their deeds.[SUP][a][/SUP]
 
JIMBO43

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[h=1]Proverbs 15:2Good News Translation (GNT)[/h] [SUP]2 [/SUP]When wise people speak, they make knowledge attractive, but stupid people spout nonsense.
 
dcontroversal

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NoNameMcgee said:
youre right
i thought i was bein silly (i posted the disclaimer)

i was just being a jerk cause i thought something else you said was directed at me

sorry bout that man

after the pm i see more clearly

i appreciate you man

God bless
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No problem bro and I appreciate your willingness to ask questions and actually be open to the answers as opposed to those who just sweep it under the rug
 
JIMBO43

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yes well i suppose we have all swept a bit of dirt under the carpet from time to time... its called forgiving your brother instead of keeping the one person on ignor you hate the most peter jens...

So i tell you unless you can forgive your brother your father will not treat you.
 
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I know all their doctrine derived from snippets of scripture taken out of context. Here is the 24/7 mantra played over and over daily.

There is none good, no not one, and it is to him that worketh not, beings that it’s HE that worketh in you, because mans’ heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it, and it’s not of works lest any man should boast, hence all our works are but filthy rages anyway, therefore if we say we are not sinners we lie and the truth is not in us, so in conclusion we are not perfect just forgiven because there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus….Rinse and repeat….

This was all designed by stealth (while men slept deceitful workers crept in unawares, said the apostle Jude) through Reformation pundits and masters of rhetoric. It has become like bedrock cemented in their minds over the centuries and worsening in each generation as time passes. It’s done for the purpose of rejecting repentance and faith proven by deeds from heart purity. .I also find it interesting that first they claim they are saved by grace alone, and then say it’s by faith alone, thus implying the biblical dynamics of synergy of which they deny. Truly a mixed bag of nuts, no?...Everyone presupposes obedience in their daily lives, but when it comes to obeying God that all goes out the window in favor of the greasy grace gospel…..
 
dcontroversal

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eternally-gratefull said:

Dude, get over yourself. This is not even close to being the truth. If you can not humble yourself to try to figure out what others teach, then just stop it. Your slanderous ways are evil and they are getting old.

No one thinks they will get to heaven because at one time in their life they had faith. THATS TOTAL RUBBISH!!
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The same old argumentative embellished addition to what we say...he has to justify his sinless working for heresy so he makes out like we live for the devil because we believe saved eternally by grace through faith which is biblical......
 
dcontroversal

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willybob said:
I know all their doctrine derived from snippets of scripture taken out of context. Here is the 24/7 mantra played over and over daily.

There is none good, no not one, and it is to him that worketh not, beings that it’s HE that worketh in you, because mans’ heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it, and it’s not of works lest any man should boast, hence all our works are but filthy rages anyway, therefore if we say we are not sinners we lie and the truth is not in us, so in conclusion we are not perfect just forgiven because there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus….Rinse and repeat….

This was all designed by stealth (while men slept deceitful workers crept in unawares, said the apostle Jude) through Reformation pundits and masters of rhetoric. It has become like bedrock cemented in their minds over the centuries and worsening in each generation as time passes. It’s done for the purpose of rejecting repentance and faith proven by deeds from heart purity. .I also find it interesting that first they claim they are saved by grace alone, and then say it’s by faith alone, thus implying the biblical dynamics of synergy of which they deny. Truly a mixed bag of nuts, no?...Everyone presupposes obedience in their daily lives, but when it comes to obeying God that all goes out the window in favor of the greasy grace gospel…..
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Look spongebob....your sinless perfectionist working for dogma is false.....you fit the three listed in Jude....you know the ones...false teachers who peddle works, self and dogmas that miss the kingdom of heaven......
 
JIMBO43

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willybob said:
I know all their doctrine derived from snippets of scripture taken out of context. Here is the 24/7 mantra played over and over daily.

There is none good, no not one, and it is to him that worketh not, beings that it’s HE that worketh in you, because mans’ heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it, and it’s not of works lest any man should boast, hence all our works are but filthy rages anyway, therefore if we say we are not sinners we lie and the truth is not in us, so in conclusion we are not perfect just forgiven because there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus….Rinse and repeat….

This was all designed by stealth (while men slept deceitful workers crept in unawares, said the apostle Jude) through Reformation pundits and masters of rhetoric. It has become like bedrock cemented in their minds over the centuries and worsening in each generation as time passes. It’s done for the purpose of rejecting repentance and faith proven by deeds from heart purity. .I also find it interesting that first they claim they are saved by grace alone, and then say it’s by faith alone, thus implying the biblical dynamics of synergy of which they deny. Truly a mixed bag of nuts, no?...Everyone presupposes obedience in their daily lives, but when it comes to obeying God that all goes out the window in favor of the greasy grace gospel…..
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This is talking a bout filthy works and obviously not the works of God which one must possess to be one of his..
 
dcontroversal

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eternally-gratefull said:
Most f us are neither of those,

once again your so trying trying to label everyone you can never figure out what they believe.

why do you not ask instead of just assuming so much, that's what gets you in trouble
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No matter....he is still adding works to faith for salvation and to maintain salvation...a false gospel that saves no one........
 
dcontroversal

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JIMBO43 said:
This is talking a bout filthy works and obviously not the works of God which one must possess to be one of his..
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The bible is replete with saved individuals who had works of wood, hay and stubble, but were still saved......a person is saved eternally by faith...after that they are judged by their works for reward or a loss of rewards......the works do not keep us saved and or embellosh salvation..
 
JIMBO43

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dcontroversal said:
The bible is replete with saved individuals who had works of wood, hay and stubble, but were still saved......a person is saved eternally by faith...after that they are judged by their works for reward or a loss of rewards......the works do not keep us saved and or embellosh salvation..
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does that include everyone or just anyone ?
 
PeterJens

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Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.
2 tim 2:23

I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you.
John 13:15

Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
1 Cor 11:1

Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children
Eph 5:1

For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you,
2 Thess 3:7

Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.
1 Tim 4:12

Brothers and sisters, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.
James 5:10

Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles.
Heb 12:1
 
fredoheaven

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eternally-gratefull said:
no it is not, the law was not in context in Ephesians at all, the work usd was any work, much like he used in Titus, when he said not by works of righteosuness which we have done but by his mercy.
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Well said bro! I might add that these are not unrighteous works. evil works done. The 'works of righteousness ' may also refer to the righteous works which the righteous (saved-Ephesiam Believers) does but that cannot saved, maintain to be saved or continue to save but only by the grace of God through faith, that they were saved.
 
PeterJens

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Which sin is impossible to overcome?
1: Missuse of Gods name, 2: Honouring your parents, 3: no false testimony, 4: adultery, 5: theft, 6: covetousness, 7: loving your neighbour, 8: loving your enemy, 9: not lusting after the opposite sex, 10: not being greedy, 11: not being selfish, 12: no idolatry, 13: no hatred of fellow believers, 14: no lying, 15: not sexually immoral, 16: not being a drunk, 17: not a slave trader

Which of these 17 items that are too difficult to follow?
So if you follow these principles are you sinning or walking in righteousness?
If this is not walking in righteousness, why not? We are to walk in the light, and if
in the light you cannot bring out the right way to walk, but just talk generalities, it
is not true and pointless.
 
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JIMBO43 said:
Proverbs 15:2Good News Translation (GNT)

[SUP]2 [/SUP]When wise people speak, they make knowledge attractive, but stupid people spout nonsense.
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This sounds a good description that "...stupid people spout nonsense."
 
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WHAT????????????????????? :confused:


PeterJens said:
Christian, the right hand of God prophet.

I am here to bring submission of the pagans into submission.
Disagree with me and boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

Listen to my words, and do not tell me what I am saying.
Disagree with me and boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

How dare you build a model of my beliefs, you know nothing of what we believe.
Boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

Say anything to me, tell me what you believe, and I will tell you what you believe.
Boom, you are a demon, possessed by satan himself.

It is interesting how repetitious some interactions become, and even defining their
ideas is not allowed. I do love the circus act though, it is like people lining up to be
shot at, and they do not know why they end up angry and in disarray. :cool:
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Stephen63

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JIMBO43 said:
yes well i suppose we have all swept a bit of dirt under the carpet from time to time... its called forgiving your brother instead of keeping the one person on ignor you hate the most peter jens...

So i tell you unless you can forgive your brother your father will not treat you.
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As soon as he finds a brother arguing with him, I'm sure he will.:)
 
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JIMBO43 said:
This is talking a bout filthy works and obviously not the works of God which one must possess to be one of his..
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i agree JIMBO, however many seem to contend that all works of obedience by man toward God is filthy rags...of course that is not true..

Its like a wife who slaves in the kitchen, while laboring and preparing the home to be pleasant and clean, doing all she can out of sincerity to please her husband, and then the husband comes home and throws up his hands and asks; what are you doing? Don't you know that what ever you do to please me is just filthy rags....
 
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