Not By Works
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Nope not at all. That's why I asked us to put Works aside with my above post to you.
Lets not go to the extremes as you have given above, it's so extreme to be honest it's verging on insane.
Its not all about what you do but it also includes what you don't do.
A true believer will not want to do what he knows is wrong and will want to do what he knows he does not do.
Lets not go to the extremes as you have given above, it's so extreme to be honest it's verging on insane.
Its not all about what you do but it also includes what you don't do.
A true believer will not want to do what he knows is wrong and will want to do what he knows he does not do.
is it insane that theres been hudreds of terror attacks lately. ?
Is it insane that there will be thousands if not tens of thousand islamic state individuals worldwide waiting to blow someone
up ?
will they all be saved to...
My concept is not at a believer who follows christ accordingly..
My concept is at those who dont billy lad.
Why would i be insane to think that some who come to Jesus go to mohamid.. and vise versa..
Where the ones who accepted Jesus saved ?.. why then do they go to mohamid ?
Is it insane that there will be thousands if not tens of thousand islamic state individuals worldwide waiting to blow someone
up ?
will they all be saved to...
My concept is not at a believer who follows christ accordingly..
My concept is at those who dont billy lad.
Why would i be insane to think that some who come to Jesus go to mohamid.. and vise versa..
Where the ones who accepted Jesus saved ?.. why then do they go to mohamid ?
You make a good point. But let me deal with the first idea, standing on the Rock.
The rock is the foundation of repentance, sorrow for sin, a commitment to walk righteously, and
forgiveness of sins through the cross. Now even here people will argue what this means.
Atonementment - Jesus the eternal atoning sacrifice that is for the sins of all the people of God,
again some claim it is for the sins of the whole world or even existance itself, past, present and future.
So it is hard to talk about such subjects when the participants express such strong emotion, and
accuse people of being evil, rather than humble sinners trying to understand the wisdom of God, and
respecting different perspectives.
So I go back to a simple idea of knowing someone, loving them and listening to them, because here I
would hope we can actually agree. It is where I would start in witnessing about Jesus's love in my
heart and how he changed me.
But then some did say in the past I was not changed by God or love, which to be honest is not very
charitable. And these people claim to know the living God, which for me is extraordinary for such ideas
and sentiments some put forward as if they have spiritual authority and insight.
The rock is the foundation of repentance, sorrow for sin, a commitment to walk righteously, and
forgiveness of sins through the cross. Now even here people will argue what this means.
Atonementment - Jesus the eternal atoning sacrifice that is for the sins of all the people of God,
again some claim it is for the sins of the whole world or even existance itself, past, present and future.
So it is hard to talk about such subjects when the participants express such strong emotion, and
accuse people of being evil, rather than humble sinners trying to understand the wisdom of God, and
respecting different perspectives.
So I go back to a simple idea of knowing someone, loving them and listening to them, because here I
would hope we can actually agree. It is where I would start in witnessing about Jesus's love in my
heart and how he changed me.
But then some did say in the past I was not changed by God or love, which to be honest is not very
charitable. And these people claim to know the living God, which for me is extraordinary for such ideas
and sentiments some put forward as if they have spiritual authority and insight.
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It is absurd to think that they were ever Christ's
But Jesus IS concerned for them'. And will seek them UNTIL He find them (Luk 15.4).
But this would demonstrate a believer in a religion, not a true believer in Christ.
Because they were following Jesus for the wrong reasons, outward reasons (as the JWs do)..
Frankly yes it is insane.
Those who kill in the name of islam do not accept Jesus as the son of God and place their faith in him.
In the extreme they behead people who will not renounce Jesus.
Over here in the west when they try. muslims try to proselytise people (convert to islam) if they realise they have been baptised in Jesus name they leave them alone, but they don't kill them.
They will not toggle between the two.
However we can't judge if someone who kills a believer because of their religious belief can't be saved.
Paul is an example, killed Christians.
He was known as Saul and oversaw the stoning of Stephen. He approved this.
Now that Saul we know as Paul who came to Jesus.
Those who kill in the name of islam do not accept Jesus as the son of God and place their faith in him.
In the extreme they behead people who will not renounce Jesus.
Over here in the west when they try. muslims try to proselytise people (convert to islam) if they realise they have been baptised in Jesus name they leave them alone, but they don't kill them.
They will not toggle between the two.
However we can't judge if someone who kills a believer because of their religious belief can't be saved.
Paul is an example, killed Christians.
He was known as Saul and oversaw the stoning of Stephen. He approved this.
Now that Saul we know as Paul who came to Jesus.
Poor old Paul. He would stress the importance of theology. Away with the book of Romans. Away with the first three chapters of Ephesians . And so on. He should only have taught about relationships. Oh sorry. Romans and Ephesians are talking about our relationship WITH GOD.
I wonder where they came from,? THE WORD OF GOD.
I wonder where they came from,? THE WORD OF GOD.
1 Peter 3
[SUP]19 [/SUP]and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits. [SUP]20 [/SUP]These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat.
It does seem that your all wrong about unbelief being a sin punishable by death in certain cases or many ? or imprisoment ?
[SUP]19 [/SUP]and in his spiritual existence he went and preached to the imprisoned spirits. [SUP]20 [/SUP]These were the spirits of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat.
It does seem that your all wrong about unbelief being a sin punishable by death in certain cases or many ? or imprisoment ?