King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Dec 28, 2016
9,171
2,718
113
Why do people freak out because humans made translational errors in the KJV? Even those who deny they are double-inspirationalists really are that because they cannot fathom that God allowed translator errors. ;)

No, no, it had to be Divinely assisted and inspired, and the product had to come out to be "perfect" not one error, just like the autographs. Well, at least with the KJV only.

Why not the Tyndale, Coverdale, Geneva Bible &c, they all should have received the same Divine assistance as well, they too should all be "perfect."
 
L

limey410

Guest
:D Actually, we Czechs have also the reformation translation from 1595-1613, called The Bible of Kralice.

Also from the Textus Receptus (but from the continental version of the TR) and also in a beautiful language and also influencing the nation and used till today.

But there never developed such a cult around it. I wonder why it is with the KJV. Where the original idea came from.
It's a white Anglo Saxon bias
 
L

limey410

Guest
There is no contradiction in the texts.

Should I await the NBA finals to look for a sign? What if the lights go off for 7, 12, or 3 minutes? Or 33? Or 666 seconds?

What would it mean? Would you feel validated somehow?
I'm excited for the NBA finals, it should be a good one again.:cool:
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
It's a white Anglo Saxon bias
We are so white that you cant imagine it :)

Also, when we are talking about "saxon" part, the Luther Bible also did not become a cult for Germans (and yeah, it is more important for the whole reformation than any English Bible).

So it must be a cultural thing specific for the English history... colonial era and the thinking "we are the top of the world and thats why we have also the perfect word of God" or something.
 
L

limey410

Guest
We are so white that you cant imagine it :)

Also, when we are talking about "saxon" part, the Luther Bible also did not become a cult for Germans (and yeah, it is more important for the whole reformation than any English Bible).

So it must be a cultural thing specific for the English history... colonial era and the thinking "we are the top of the world and thats why we have also the perfect word of God" or something.
It jives with manifest destiny.
 

Sagart

Senior Member
May 7, 2017
366
29
28
And what do you base this on? You have no more to go on than this definiion.

אֱלָהּʼĕlâhh, el-aw'; (Aramaic) corresponding to H433; God:—God, god.

Do you know of bible before Wescott and Hort that had son of the gods?
I base my statements [about the Aramaic word for God, ’ělâhîn (found in Daniel 3:25), always being a plural form] upon the Aramaic language—the language in which Daniel 2:4 – 7:28 was written. James Strong and his opinions had nothing to do with my statement.

The first authorized (by both houses of the Convocation of the Province of Canterbury) revision of the KJV was completed in 1881 (the New Testament) and in 1885 (the Old Testament). The whole Bible, without the Apocrypha which was not completed till 1895, bore the title, THE HOLY BIBLE CONTAINING THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS TRANSLATED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL TONGUES : BEING THE VERSION SET FORTH A.D. 1611 COMPARED WITH THE MOST ANCIENT AUTHORITIES AND REVISED. This Bible accurately translates Daniel 3:25 as follows:

25. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the aspect of the fourth is like a son of the gods.

This Bible, known today as the English Revised Version, is the earliest translation of the Bible that I know of that accurately translates the Aramaic word ’ělâhîn. Westcott and Hort were scholars of the New Testament, not the Old Testament, and even their views on the Greek text of the New Testament have been superseded by new and more accurate views based upon much more recent textual studies. Moreover, Westcott and Hort had nothing to do with the translation of the Old Testament in the English Revised Version.

In 1901, an American edition of the English Revised Version was published as The Holy Bible, Containing the Old and New Testaments, Translated out of the Original Tongues, Being the Version Set Forth A.D. 1611, Compared with the Most Ancient Authorities and Revised A.D. 1881-1885, Newly Edited by the American Revision Committee A.D. 1901, Standard Edition. New York: Thomas Nelson & Sons, 1901. This American edition, known today as the American Standard Version, translates Daniel 3:25 as follows:

25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the aspect of the fourth is like a son of the gods.

A further revision was published in 1952 as the Revised Standard Version. The Revised Standard Version translates Daniel 3:25 as follows:

25 He answered, “But I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods.”

Beginning in 1971, the Revised Standard Version was published with the Second Edition of the New Testament. Yet a further revision was published in 1989 as the New Revised Standard Version. The New Revised Standard Version translates Daniel 3:25 as follows:

25 He replied, “But I see four men unbound, walking in the middle of the fire, and they are not hurt; and the fourth has the appearance of a god.”

However, it includes the following footnote:

“Aram a son of the gods

The original KJV gives us an incorrect and very misleading translation of Daniel 3:25,

25 He answered and said, Loe, I see foure men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they haue no hurt, and the forme of the fourth is like the sonne of God.

After three revisions and over 100,000 changes, today’s “KJV” still gives us an incorrect and very misleading translation of Daniel 3:25,

25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
 

Sagart

Senior Member
May 7, 2017
366
29
28
I have never found an error in the KJV. If there are errors, show me the errors... I'm a reasonable person and if there are bonafide errors I will SHUT my mouth lol.
It has been proven from the Aramaic text that the KJV has given us an incorrect and misleading translation in Dan. 3:25—that is, unless one claims that Daniel made a mistake and the translators of the KJV corrected Daniel’s mistake.
 

trofimus

Senior Member
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
I watched a video recently that changed my mind on the type of Bible I should keep as the over-riding bible authority. I have an NIV, ESV, Gideon's new testament, NKJV, KJV and am picking up a n Amplified Holy Bible tomorrow. I will probably use one of the most accurate to the King James, for quick reading, but highlight thereof area's and swap back to KJV. But will try to stick with the old English in the KJV until I get confused.

I watched Pastor Steven L Anderson's, New World Order movie. Just under 2 hours long, very interesting. Puts potentially the NIV, ESV, NKJV and more to shame, depending on version's and errors of course.

So, (1) Have you watched the video? If not,
watch it first, please.

(1b) Did the video change your mind?

(2) What Bible do you support?

(3) Why do you support it?

At the bottom of your post, please put final Bible choice in caps, alone, so it can be seen as a tally. Thanks.

KJV
I have watched 20 minutes and there was so much of manipulation that I did not continue watching.
 
Apr 15, 2017
2,867
653
113
Nobody needs to watch television,or go to the movies,or any other entertainment venue,but only browse around the website they call,ChristianChat(R),which they say it is a registered trademark of the God kind,but that is up for debate,but it is partially true,no disrespect to God,for He is working here despite the things that are not in line with His truth.

And you will get all the drama,suspense,violence,mystery,science fiction,and national inquirer type information,that you can handle to satisfy the most hunger soul for things that entertain.

This is a joke,but people will be at odds whether they claim Christ or not,be at war with each other no matter how much they say they love God.

And such is the way of the world,and that worldliness sometimes affects us in our walk with God.

We are really only to quote scriptures,and let it be,but sometimes we do not,but got to put in our input,which will be according to the flesh,being sarcastic,and I will do it too,but of course there is a funniness to it,but then I tell the flesh to shut up.
 
Last edited:
Dec 3, 2016
1,674
25
0
It's a white Anglo Saxon bias
Like Blackie Lawless from WASP (white anglo saxon protestant)... he grew up in a Christian home and got in to drugs and rock-n-roll when he grew up and left home but a few years back he came back to Jesus and publicly confesses Jesus at his concerts and to his fans now... pretty cool since most celebrities that claim to get saved don't say a hole lot about it in public
 

Agricola

Senior Member
Dec 10, 2012
2,638
88
48
I base my statements [about the Aramaic word for God, ’ělâhîn (found in Daniel 3:25), always being a plural form] upon the Aramaic language—the language in which Daniel 2:4 – 7:28 was written. James Strong and his opinions had nothing to do with my statement. .....



......After three revisions and over 100,000 changes, today’s “KJV” still gives us an incorrect and very misleading translation of Daniel 3:25,

25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
You will never convince the brainwashed cult members who ignore context when it suits them. They also totally ignore the fact that it is a statement made by a pagan king who was acknowledging something amazing was happening, its not as if a prophet or one of the disciples are making the claim, which would then definitely throw the translation into question.
 

Billyd

Senior Member
May 8, 2014
5,082
1,508
113
I'm still trying to figure out which KJV is the KJVO.

I like the ESV. It makes it a little more difficult to use verses out of context.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,396
113
2 Timothy 3:16 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Does ALL scrripture include translations?
All scripture as originally inspired.......God inspired holy men. God did not inspire false anglican priests......
 

RedeemedGift

Senior Member
May 28, 2017
158
41
28
33
Isn't the fact that the Holy Spirit spoke the word of God through the apostles in many diverse languages proof that the word of God is simply more than something on a human level that is limited to human language? God is not restricted, neither is His truth to man's traditions.
 
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
Um, he stood in doubt of their genuine conversion since they were moved away from the Gospel. He is hoping for evidence of conversion, not for the KJV to come along and save them.

In Galatians 4:6 Paul calls the Galatians sons and he said God had sent forth the Spirit of his son into their hearts. So there is no doubt in Pauls mind that these Galatians were converted.

Galatians 4:6 KJV
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

They are proven saved in verse 6 with the Spirit of Christ in them but Christ HAD NOT been formed in their minds yet... they were not born again yet per verse 19. Would you agree?

Galatians 4:19 KJV
My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,
 
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
Isn't the incorruptible seed, the Holy Spirit of God?
No, we are born again by the word of God. We can't be born again without an incorruptible word of God according to the bible.

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.