King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

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Why did Jesus die at 33 years old, he made a show of his enemies on the cross didn't he... what does 33 represent in the bible?
The lights were off for 34 minutes, and you didn't receive a revelation from God watching the Super Bowl. In fact, you've received no divine revelation from God on any issue.

What kind of folk did Jesus say looked for signs?
 
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Got to go do some holiday grilling, will return later.
 
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Who is the morning star?

Isaiah 14:12New International Version (NIV)

12 How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!


Revelation 22:16New International Version (NIV)

16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
There is no contradiction in the texts.

Should I await the NBA finals to look for a sign? What if the lights go off for 7, 12, or 3 minutes? Or 33? Or 666 seconds?

What would it mean? Would you feel validated somehow?
 

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Has anyone got an MKJV other name KJV21 at century. Just wanted to know if it's like for like in modernisation?
i do have a New King James. perhaps this link might be of service to you?

https://www.gotquestions.org/Modern-King-James-Version-MKJV.html
 
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Light-bringer pretty much lines up with:

2 Corinthians 11:14 KJV
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

We know from 2 Corinthians 11:14 that Satan is Lucifer in Isaiah 14.
Satan is a cheap imitator of everything the Christ is. Look at the miracles the soothsayers did in Moses' days. Moses' staff turned into a snake and so did theirs. But Moses' swallowed theirs up.

And seriously, Lucifer is not Satan. I believe it to be a typology, symbolic of how he fell. But Lucifer is referring to the Babylonian king.
 
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The bible teaches that to be saved all we have to do is confess the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead.

Romans 10:9 KJV
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

We are born again BY the word of God.... if a person is not exposed to the incorruptible word of God then how can this person possibly be born again?

1 Peter 1:23 KJV
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Jesus told Nicodemus that one is to born again of the Spirit.
 
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Got to go do some holiday grilling, will return later.
Don't eat too much. Ah skip it, eat until you pop. Wifey's grilling hot dogs this afternoon. Boy, I can't wait...but I have to. :-(
 

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Seems nice to freely quote. Just a shame I'm under crown law :(
 
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There is no contradiction in the texts.

Should I await the NBA finals to look for a sign? What if the lights go off for 7, 12, or 3 minutes? Or 33? Or 666 seconds?

What would it mean? Would you feel validated somehow?
Here's my response to his post...

The Hebrew word 'Heylel' is used in english as 'Lucifer'. Lucifer was not Satan himself, but the Babylonian king(probably Belshazzer), and was possibly symbolic of Satan's fall. Now, 'Heylel' means "light-bringer" with that in quotations, as he did not literally bear light, as only God does that.

The true morning star in Revelation 2:28 is the Christ.
 
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But you're saying you were saved first, and then born again later. You're saying you was saved but not possessing the Spirit until later. Without His Spirit, we are not His. The birth in the Spirit is first, and simultaenous with being saved.
When we receive the Spirit that is when we are actually saved,for Jesus said,a person must be born of water and Spirit to be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.

The blood washes away our sins,but we are not saved until we receive the Spirit.

But there are people who do confess Christ,but did not receive the Spirit right away,and this is because they did not have the proper perspective of what the Christian walk was about,or was not in to the strictness of it at the time,but when they do come to the proper perspective,and accept it,then they will receive the Spirit.

But during the time of not accepting the proper perspective of being a Christian,and what God requires,they were not saved,until they received the Spirit.

In the book of Acts some did not receive the Spirit,and they were asked,did you receive the Holy Ghost,and they said,we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost,then they received the Holy Ghost.

And some people that confess Christ never received the Spirit,for their perspective was wrong in what a Christian life is about,and caused them to lack,which the Bible says,they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth.

These people will be standing before Jesus and saying,why can't we dwell with you,and He will say,He never knew them,for they were workers of iniquity,because of the lack of not having the Spirit they could not live a Christlike lifestyle,but they believed that even though they did not have a Christlike attitude,which is to represent goodness,that they were alright with God,so they never corrected themselves.

We cannot be saved first,and then be born again later,by receiving the Spirit,for we are saved when we receive the Spirit,whenever that point in time is for a person,some right away,some later on,but sadly some never come to the realization of what God requires,and they are ever learning,and never able to come to the truth,and it is because they would not let go of the fleshy ways in its entirety,but thought they were alright with God,so they were in a situation that they would not correct if they believed they were alright.

It is only when a person that confesses Christ realizes the proper perspective,and what God requires of them,that they will receive the Spirit.
 
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When we receive the Spirit that is when we are actually saved,for Jesus said,a person must be born of water and Spirit to be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.

The blood washes away our sins,but we are not saved until we receive the Spirit.

But there are people who do confess Christ,but did not receive the Spirit right away,and this is because they did not have the proper perspective of what the Christian walk was about,or was not in to the strictness of it at the time,but when they do come to the proper perspective,and accept it,then they will receive the Spirit.

But during the time of not accepting the proper perspective of being a Christian,and what God requires,they were not saved,until they received the Spirit.

In the book of Acts some did not receive the Spirit,and they were asked,did you receive the Holy Ghost,and they said,we have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost,then they received the Holy Ghost.

And some people that confess Christ never received the Spirit,for their perspective was wrong in what a Christian life is about,and caused them to lack,which the Bible says,they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,ever learning and never able to come to the truth.

These people will be standing before Jesus and saying,why can't we dwell with you,and He will say,He never knew them,for they were workers of iniquity,because of the lack of not having the Spirit they could not live a Christlike lifestyle,but they believed that even though they did not have a Christlike attitude,which is to represent goodness,that they were alright with God,so they never corrected themselves.

We cannot be saved first,and then be born again later,by receiving the Spirit,for we are saved when we receive the Spirit,whenever that point in time is for a person,some right away,some later on,but sadly some never come to the realization of what God requires,and they are ever learning,and never able to come to the truth,and it is because they would not let go of the fleshy ways in its entirety,but thought they were alright with God,so they were in a situation that they would not correct if they believed they were alright.

It is only when a person that confesses Christ realizes the proper perspective,and what God requires of them,that they will receive the Spirit.
If ppl confess the Christ and didn't receive the Spirit, it was a false confession. Those who truly confess the Lord Jesus, do so from their heart, and receive the Spirit and are saved. That's the thrust of Romans 10:9,10.
 
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The Hebrew word 'Heylel' is used in english as 'Lucifer'. Lucifer was not Satan himself, but the Babylonian king(probably Belshazzer), and was possibly symbolic of Satan's fall. Now, 'Heylel' means "light-bringer" with that in quotations, as he did not literally bear light, as only God does that.

The true morning star in Revelation 2:28 is the Christ.
People have to understand that in Revelation the beast kingdom is referred to as Babylon,which this is Babylon in spirit,for Babylon will never have physical dominion after she fell.

Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts,Babylon,Medo-Persia,Greece,and the Roman Empire.

The first 3 beasts when they fell will never have physical dominion again,but their ways are still on earth,which Babylon represents human religion,Medo-Persia physical cruelty,and Greece human wisdom,but the Roman Empire which represents pushing for physical dominion does not lose her dominion until God puts her down,and they all show up at the beast kingdom,which ten horns comes from her,the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the man of sin,the beast,comes from the ten horns,and although it is all Gentile nations together,the dominion is the Roman Empire.

The Bible says that the 4th beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and the beast kingdom has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,the whole world,and is a future event where God is allowing all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and then He will put down the wicked.

In Isaiah 14 it is not referring to Babylon that fell many years ago,but it is Babylon in spirit,for she represents the kingdom of man,and the beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in its entirety,but is refering to when the man of sin,the beast,rules over a kingdom that involves the whole world,which has the Babylonian spirit,for people either belong to the kingdom of God,or Babylon,the kingdom of man,and she is responsible for all the slain of the world,but the Babylon that fell years ago would not.

The beast will deceive all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom,and when they are put down by God,they will realize that the beast was nothing that he claimed to be,which he will convince the world he is something great,by harnessing the power of nature and obtaining power,and they said,who is like unto the beast,and who can make war with him,but when he is conquered they say,he was no greater than us,but a mere man.

The last king will be mighty,but not by his own power,for he gets his power from Satan,and the man of sin is the embodiment of Satan that is involved in the occult to a high degree,bent on power,and gets the trust of those who do not love God.

It is not referring to the Babylon of old,but a future kingdom which has the Babylonian spirit,the beast kingdom in Revelation 13.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Also this description of Lucifer cannot fit a man,for he falls from heaven,for he became arrogant to want to be like God,which the Bible says,he was created perfect in his ways,until iniquity was found in him,and he made the earth to tremble when he appeared as the beast in Revelation.

It is the beast kingdom in Revelation 13,where Satan possesess the man of sin,and deceives all people that do not love God to follow him,and rules over the world.

Dan 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Dan 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

King Nebuchanezzar acknowledged the God of Israel until the day he died,and proclimed him throughout his kingdom,and he was the greatest king that ruled.

Dan 5:1 Belshazzar the king made a great feast to a thousand of his lords, and drank wine before the thousand.
Dan 5:2 Belshazzar, whiles he tasted the wine, commanded to bring the golden and silver vessels which his father Nebuchadnezzar had taken out of the temple which was in Jerusalem; that the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, might drink therein.
Dan 5:3 Then they brought the golden vessels that were taken out of the temple of the house of God which was at Jerusalem; and the king, and his princes, his wives, and his concubines, drank in them.
Dan 5:4 They drank wine, and praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone.
Dan 5:5 In the same hour came forth fingers of a man's hand, and wrote over against the candlestick upon the plaister of the wall of the king's palace: and the king saw the part of the hand that wrote.

Dan 5:22 And thou his son, O Belshazzar, hast not humbled thine heart, though thou knewest all this(he knew his father said to acknowledge the God of Israel,and do not offend Him);
Dan 5:23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:
Dan 5:24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
Dan 5:25 And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
Dan 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
Dan 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Dan 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

It was not Belshazzar,for he was not great as his father,and his sin was taking the vessels out of the temple of the LORD,and drinking out of them,and praising false gods,so God took the kingdom from Babylon,and gave it to the Medes and Persians,for God gives the kingdom to who He wants.

His sin was not described as in Isaiah 14,but was because he knew what his father proclaimed,but ignored that and offended the God of Israel by taking His vessels,out of His temple,and praising false gods,so Babylon fell.

Lucifer in Isaiah 14 fell from heaven,so it is not a man,but Lucifer using a man that is highly involved in the occult,and honors no God to deceive the world to follow the beast kingdom,and Lucifer was created perfect in his ways,until iniquity was found in him,and when he was cast out of heaven and lost his original habitat,then he was know by the name Satan to identify with his new character,like God changed people's names in the Bible to identify their new character as one living for Him,and God was known by the name of Jehovah which represents physical deliverance,and said,He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them,and revealed His new name to the Jews,Jesus,which represents spiritual deliverance,and Jesus said the words that I speak unto you are not My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does the works,and God in these last days has spoken unto us by His Son.

The Bible says,how art thou fallen from heaven,Lucifer,for that was his name when in heaven,but when he was cast out of heaven then his name became Satan to identify with his nature of rebellion.

Also God allowed Babylon to take down Tyrus,and this is what it says about the king of Tyrus.

Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
Eze 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;
Eze 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

Eze 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Satan influenced Tyrus greatly,but God caused Babylon and the nations to take her down.
 

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Why did Jesus die at 33 years old, he made a show of his enemies on the cross didn't he... what does 33 represent in the bible?
Imo, purity

LEVITICUS 12:4 She shall continue in the blood of purification thirty-three days. She shall not touch any holy thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying are completed.
 

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Who killed Goliath?

2 Samuel 21:19

KJV And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

ESV And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

NASB There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

HCSB Once again there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite. The shaft of his spear was like a weaver’s beam.
 

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I think you and I have gone through this before but I wouldn't mind going through it again... What are some of the errors in the Old Testament?
There are literally hundreds of such places, but you will probably argue the same way to all of them, so just one:

"Incorruptible" KJV with the Jewish sources for the OT :

1 Pt 1:16: "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

Lv 20:7: "Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God."


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LXX (the right source for the OT) and the proper translation:

Lv 20:7 "And you shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. "


Or if you want to see it in the original language:
(in Greek, the word order in the sentence is free, so it does not matter that they are in a different positions)

ἔσεσθε ἅγιοι, ὅτι ἅγιος ἐγὼ [esesthe hagioi, hoti hagios egó] - Lv 20:7

Ἅγιοι ἔσεσθε, ὅτι ἐγὼ ἅγιος. [hagioi esesthe, hoti egó hagios] - 1Pt 1:16
 
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There are literally hundreds of such places, but you will probably argue the same way to all of them, so just one:

"Incorruptible" KJV with the Jewish sources for the OT :

1 Pt 1:16: "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."

Lv 20:7: "Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God."


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LXX (the right source for the OT) and the proper translation:

Lv 20:7 "And you shall be holy, for I the Lord your God am holy. "


Or if you want to see it in the original language:
(in Greek, the word order in the sentence is free, so it does not matter that they are in a different positions)

ἔσεσθε ἅγιοι, ὅτι ἅγιος ἐγὼ [esesthe hagioi, hoti hagios egó] - Lv 20:7

Ἅγιοι ἔσεσθε, ὅτι ἐγὼ ἅγιος. [hagioi esesthe, hoti egó hagios] - 1Pt 1:16
Sorry bud, you're outta luck. You can't be born again by a corruptible seed. The incorruptible word of God is the KJV.

Sorry to inform you. :rolleyes:

You said you don't use english versions. Better get the KJV before its too late.
 
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Sorry bud, you're outta luck. You can't be born again by a corruptible seed. The incorruptible word of God is the KJV.

Sorry to inform you. :rolleyes:

You said you don't use english versions. Better get the KJV before its too late.
:D Actually, we Czechs have also the reformation translation from 1595-1613, called The Bible of Kralice.

Also from the Textus Receptus (but from the continental version of the TR) and also in a beautiful language and also influencing the nation and used till today.

But there never developed such a cult around it. I wonder why it is with the KJV. Where the original idea came from.
 
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Ah skip it, eat until you pop.
Gluttony is a sin... but, I'd imagine the newer versions don't say that it is a sin