Is Mary a intercessor?

[Muzungu256]

I think it is out of respect for the fact that there are so many people recovering from alcoholism and addiction in our culture, and they want to be mindful of that... my church has started offering both wine and grape juice, whereas before we only had the latter, and though I am a recovered alcoholic and drug addict, I do dip my bread in the wine, and do not fear a relapse as a result, for by the grace of God I am free of those afflictions, and in fact, it was when I cried out to Him for help, not even knowing if He was real, that I first got clean and sober in 1994, at the age of thirty nine, after being snared for twenty four years

God bless you wonderful testimony!!!!!! good ah nice you do it by dipping we do it differently from a cup!!!!! i like your method what church do you go to??????? you can answer me in private im afraid im taking over the thread sorry hahahahaha!

 

[BeyondET]

if we all agree that it was probably alcoholic wine why do churches use grape juice in commmunion!?!?!? this is weird..... if Jesus didnt care to use juice why should we..... and btw i dont condone drinking alcohol i never drink anything alcoholic or anything that clouds my mind............

I have visited a church that had communion but they weren't using grape juice it was genuine wine. though I'm thinking today grape juice is used to not tempt someone who has been sober for years or what ever, today alcohol consumption is frowned upon for rightly reasons, today people control cars, planes, trains, scooters, motorcycles and the like these can be rolling death machines, in the biblical days, not such much motorized traffic running around, I guess someone could have been ran over by a horse drawn cart or got into a fight with a person and killed them but there wasn't thousands of people getting killed each year by alcohol consumption and driving accidents.

 

[Magenta]

God bless you wonderful testimony!!!!!! good ah nice you do it by dipping we do it differently from a cup!!!!! i like your method what church do you go to??????? you can answer me in private im afraid im taking over the thread sorry hahahahaha!

Thank you Muzungu; I attend a non-denominational church, with Baptist origins, for it is a church that was seeded from a church in Kansas, originally, and we also have prayer partners in Texas! I am so grateful to you right now for reminding me of how wonderful the family of God can be And I never want to forget that when I cried out to God for help, He responded. I did not even consider drugs and alcohol to be a problem, but of course they were, though I was actually crying out to God for help with something else that was causing me a great deal of pain and suffering in my life. It has been a long journey for me, for though He revealed Himself to me multiple times, I was very rebellious, and stubbornly set against Him and anything that smacked of the Bible and/or organized religion... whereas now, I feast on the Word, and love our God, worshiping Him in spirit and in Truth, for I am able to acknowledge what He has done for me, especially through the great love He has shown us through the willing sacrifice of Jesus on the cross at Gethsemane.

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[BeyondET]

Thank you Muzungu; I attend a non-denominational church, with Baptist origins, for it is a church that was seeded from a church in Kansas, originally, and we also have prayer partners in Texas! I am so grateful to you right now for reminding me of how wonderful the family of God can be And I never want to forget that when I cried out to God for help, He responded. I did not even consider drugs and alcohol to be a problem, but of course they were, though I was actually crying out to God for help with something else that was causing me a great deal of pain and suffering in my life. It has been a long journey for me, for though He revealed Himself to me multiple times, I was very rebellious, and stubbornly set against Him and anything that smacked of the Bible and/or organized religion... whereas now, I feast on the Word, and love our God, worshiping Him in spirit and in Truth, for I am able to acknowledge what He has done for me, especially through the great love He has shown us through the willing sacrifice of Jesus on the cross at Gethsemane.

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That is great you overcame these issues, indeed He has shown that through His sacrifice at Gologotha ( the skull mount)

 

[Magenta]

That is great you overcame these issues, indeed He has shown that through His sacrifice at Gologotha ( the skull mount)

Yes, thank you for the correction, Gethsemane was the garden He last prayed in and where our Lord was arrested, just before and leading up to His crucifixion at Golgotha

 

[Magenta]

I had noticed the last few days when I mentioned the crucifixion, I was saying the cross at Calvary, and that sounded a bit Catholic to me, so I was wanting to express it differently Calvary, also Gagulta (Aramaic: ܓܓܘܠܬܐ‎‎), was, according to the Gospels, a site immediately outside Jerusalem's walls where Jesus was said to have been crucified. Golgotha(s) (Greek: Γολγοθᾶς) is the Greek transcription in the New Testament of the Aramaic term Gagultâ. The Bible translates the term to mean place of [the] skull, which in Greek is Κρανίου Τόπος (Kraníou Tópos), and in Latin is Calvariæ Locus, from which the English word Calvary is derived. [wiki]

 

[RedeemedGift]

Yes. Golgotha just sounds right to me over Calvary. I think of cavalry, or I think of the Latin Vulgate, subconsciously

 

[BeyondET]

Yes, thank you for the correction, Gethsemane was the garden He last prayed in and where our Lord was arrested, just before and leading up to His crucifixion at Golgotha

Yes and here's another interesting mentioning in the gospels, it's the kidron valley, Jesus crossed this valley to get to the garden, the kidron valley is mentioned in the OT a few times and is relevant.

 

[BeyondET]

God bless you wonderful testimony!!!!!! good ah nice you do it by dipping we do it differently from a cup!!!!! i like your method what church do you go to??????? you can answer me in private im afraid im taking over the thread sorry hahahahaha!

Hello my friend you have nothing to fear about posting whatever you want in any thread of mine.

Im not going to harp about moving off topic, it's all good

 

[CS1]

why is she used as the inter seed aka intercessor in some Relegions, what bible verses or concepts/theories etc. that support this notion/practice of this in scripture. Does anybody know where in the bible this is being compared too?

the Bible tell us there is but ONE mediator between God and man 1tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Mary an't it. Nor any other.

 

[BeyondET]

the Bible tell us there is but ONE mediator between God and man 1tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Mary an't it. Nor any other.

I agree, I'm quite appalled at the concept of using other people mentioned in the bible as a mediator other than Jesus.

 

[Rockrz]

I agree, I'm quite appalled at the concept of using other people mentioned in the bible as a mediator other than Jesus.

But it sure does make the devil happy

<--- devil dancing his happy jig

 

[BeyondET]

But it sure does make the devil happy

<--- devil dancing his happy jig

Hahaha, that gif looks like a red banana.

 

[notbythesword]

I once had a roommate long ago who was a devout Catholic. He had posted on the refrigerator a list of all the various saints and their “knacks” so to speak, when mediating in prayer. It seemed as though each one of these saints would be prayed “through” depending on the topic of prayer and request. While I believe that Christ is the only mediator between God and man, it seemed that he would use these saints as well. Anyone know if this was (or still is) an actual practice within Catholicism? I found it hard to believe at the time, but I just now remembered about it because of this topic.

 

[notbythesword]

I guess what I’m wondering is (within Catholicism) are the saints considered direct intermediating bodies when praying to the Lord?

 

[Rockrz]

Hahaha, that gif looks like a red banana.

It's not just any red banana... it's a dancing red devil banana who is happy that the cathloholicks are teaching what they teach.

You can come back tomorrow and that devil will still be just as happy about this too!

I guess what I’m wondering is (within Catholicism) are the saints considered direct intermediating bodies when praying to the Lord?

No, they want to pray to them... and they will go put in a good word with the lord but it's not Jesus... it's another jesus.

And, it all depends on how many good works you do and how much money to pay and maybe a few 'personal favors' for the priest in the local parish.

It's really freaky deaky and not of God at all as none of this is in God's Word.

 

[BeyondET]

I once had a roommate long ago who was a devout Catholic. He had posted on the refrigerator a list of all the various saints and their “knacks” so to speak, when mediating in prayer. It seemed as though each one of these saints would be prayed “through” depending on the topic of prayer and request. While I believe that Christ is the only mediator between God and man, it seemed that he would use these saints as well. Anyone know if this was (or still is) an actual practice within Catholicism? I found it hard to believe at the time, but I just now remembered about it because of this topic.

From what I've read this seems to be the case, Mary and the saints are used as mediators depending on the request of the prayer or prayer level for forgiveness is needed for the sin one needs to be intercessed. If you have sinned pretty bad than Mary is the top prayer partner for that so you would need to ask for forgiveness to Mary so she in turn can petition to Jesus for that forgiveness. this whole concept of using Mary and the saints is mostly centered around the passage in scripture that mentions Mary asking Jesus to make more wine for the wedding reception quite bazaar to say the least. How this concept exploded into actual doctrine is stomach turning. Sadly this doctrine deletes asking Jesus directly. The doctrine concept is that Jesus is one again with God in heaven thus need to ask him, it's Mary and the saints who are the liaisons.

Seems it went from being a reception to a deception over night.

 

[tourist]

It's not just any red banana... it's a dancing red devil banana who is happy that the cathloholicks are teaching what they teach.

You can come back tomorrow and that devil will still be just as happy about this too!





No, they want to pray to them... and they will go put in a good word with the lord but it's not Jesus... it's another jesus.

And, it all depends on how many good works you do and how much money to pay and maybe a few 'personal favors' for the priest in the local parish.

It's really freaky deaky and not of God at all as none of this is in God's Word.

What other denominations is the red banana dancing for?

 

[notbythesword]

Thanks for the replies. After studying it a bit in their official Catechism, it does in fact appear that prayer through other bodies outside of Christ is authorized for them. A quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church reads: “Their intercession is their most exalted service to God's plan. We can and should ask them to intercede for us and for the whole world.” This can be found at the following link Catechism of the Catholic Church - Guides for prayer

 

[Rockrz]

What other denominations is the red banana dancing for?

You'd have to ask the devil... in the last days he gets to do a lot of dancing right before he gits locked up for 1000 years