Is Mary a intercessor?

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Magenta

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The first miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospel of John happens at a wedding, which is how Scriptures portray our ideal relationship with God: as a marriage, and in fact, the Scriptural narrative as a whole ends at the wedding supper of the Lamb, when we are finally and forever unified with God at the end of this age, following the resurrection and judgement of all. The water that was used to make the wine was intended for ritual cleansing under the ceremonial law, the law which was eventually nailed to the cross with the shedding of Jesus' righteous blood for the remission and forgiveness of sin, when Christ paid the sin debt for all who would believe on Him. This was the institution of the new and better covenant for which Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world. Wine represents Jesus' blood, which we are to partake of with His body (bread, for He is the bread of life) in remembrance of Him at the Lord's supper. All of Scripture is about Jesus Christ and the love of God shown to us through Him, Who willingly gave His life as a ransom for many.
 
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Yeah I agree with you on that. Sometimes it is best to hear from someone who has been delivered from the same situation you are in . And that goes for a lot of situations...and ex drug addict can relate better to a drug addict than I can because they have been there before.... so the same goes for ex Catholics etc.
Yeah, as one having a few family members that have embraced catholick teaching... I've found that witnessing to catholicks is not my bag of biscuits
 
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The first miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospel of John happens at a wedding, which is how Scriptures portray our ideal relationship with God: as a marriage, and in fact, the Scriptural narrative as a whole ends at the wedding supper of the Lamb, when we are finally and forever unified with God at the end of this age, following the resurrection and judgement of all. The water that was used to make the wine was intended for ritual cleansing under the ceremonial law, the law which was eventually nailed to the cross with the shedding of Jesus' righteous blood for the remission and forgiveness of sin, when Christ paid the sin debt for all who would believe on Him. This was the institution of the new and better covenant for which Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world. Wine represents Jesus' blood, which we are to partake of with His body (bread, for He is the bread of life) in remembrance of Him at the Lord's supper. All of Scripture is about Jesus Christ and the love of God shown to us through Him, Who willingly gave His life as a ransom for many.

awesome post magenta, God bless you
 
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What do the names of Jesus' sisters have to do with your salvation or anybody elses...Teach me
Well if your Catholic it can mean a differnce, in my opinion.

Are these names in the bible Joanna and Salome and Susanna and quite a few more that are mentioned have no importance. that would be like saying o well God these names are not important to know who they really are and why these names are placed in the bible.

people want to cherry pick everything that they deem as important but what happens is they fail to see real hidden mysteries within scripture. because it's deemed as unimportant.
 
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BeyondET

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Being there's 1.2 billion people following a false concept of the wedding, I'd say it's important.

 
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The first miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospel of John happens at a wedding, which is how Scriptures portray our ideal relationship with God: as a marriage, and in fact, the Scriptural narrative as a whole ends at the wedding supper of the Lamb, when we are finally and forever unified with God at the end of this age, following the resurrection and judgement of all. The water that was used to make the wine was intended for ritual cleansing under the ceremonial law, the law which was eventually nailed to the cross with the shedding of Jesus' righteous blood for the remission and forgiveness of sin, when Christ paid the sin debt for all who would believe on Him. This was the institution of the new and better covenant for which Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world. Wine represents Jesus' blood, which we are to partake of with His body (bread, for He is the bread of life) in remembrance of Him at the Lord's supper. All of Scripture is about Jesus Christ and the love of God shown to us through Him, Who willingly gave His life as a ransom for many.
First in Cana, though not His first miracle.
 
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Well if your Catholic it can mean a differnce, in my opinion.

Are these names in the bible Joanna and Salome and Susanna and quite a few more that are mentioned have no importance. that would be like saying o well God these names are not important to know who they really are and why these names are placed in the bible.

people want to cherry pick everything that they deem as important but what happens is they fail to see real hidden mysteries within scripture. because it's deemed as unimportant.
So? Where why and how is it important?
 
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OF course but you have not convinced me of anything viable
well I'm not concerned with convincing people, but I am concerned with 1.2 billion Catholics and 1.8 billion Muslims following false doctrines.

if I can atleast reach just one Catholic or muslim that would be a plus I'd say.
 
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The first miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospel of John happens at a wedding, which is how Scriptures portray our ideal relationship with God: as a marriage, and in fact, the Scriptural narrative as a whole ends at the wedding supper of the Lamb, when we are finally and forever unified with God at the end of this age, following the resurrection and judgement of all. The water that was used to make the wine was intended for ritual cleansing under the ceremonial law, the law which was eventually nailed to the cross with the shedding of Jesus' righteous blood for the remission and forgiveness of sin, when Christ paid the sin debt for all who would believe on Him. This was the institution of the new and better covenant for which Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world. Wine represents Jesus' blood, which we are to partake of with His body (bread, for He is the bread of life) in remembrance of Him at the Lord's supper. All of Scripture is about Jesus Christ and the love of God shown to us through Him, Who willingly gave His life as a ransom for many.
do you think it was alcoholic wine im pretty sure it was but i have rough time accepting it because they were "well drunk" already....
 

Magenta

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First in Cana, though not His first miracle.
The changing of water into wine is the first miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospel of John :) John's gospel makes much more plain the deity of Jesus Christ, Who gives us living water: "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes into Me, as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.He holds the keys to life and death; in Him we live and move and have our being. He overcame sin and death, and through Him we attain to life ever after, for only He is immortal.
 
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well I'm not concerned with convincing people, but I am concerned with 1.2 billion Catholics and 1.8 billion Muslims following false doctrines.

if I can atleast reach just one Catholic or muslim that would be a plus I'd say.
OK....Here I am..A Catholic....Convince me as to it's importance to my salvation. Really my friend....When I was a Catholic, nobody I ever heard of ever discussed such an esoteric subject...Why? It does not matter. What matters is whether or not they believe that a Jesus died for their sins and whether or not they will accept the salvation that He offers them. I was there!
 

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do you think it was alcoholic wine im pretty sure it was but i have rough time accepting it because they were "well drunk" already....
In the bible it says that Jesus turned the water into the wine. The chief wine steward tasted it and said it was choice wine. It certainly was not Welch's grape juice that Jesus made. This topic has been covered many times in days past.
 

Magenta

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do you think it was alcoholic wine im pretty sure it was but i have rough time accepting it because they were "well drunk" already....
It was called a good wine, therefore it would seem to have been fermented. The context and wording of the verse highly suggests it as well.
 
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do you think it was alcoholic wine im pretty sure it was but i have rough time accepting it because they were "well drunk" already....
Thats a good question I do believe it was wine, though scripture doesn't say they were well drunk, only the reception ran out of wine, could of been hundreds of people and everyone only had a glass or two then all the wine that was supplied was consumed.

intersting how Jesus made more than enough. :)
 
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if we all agree that it was probably alcoholic wine why do churches use grape juice in commmunion!?!?!? this is weird..... if Jesus didnt care to use juice why should we..... and btw i dont condone drinking alcohol i never drink anything alcoholic or anything that clouds my mind............
 
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The changing of water into wine is the first miracle of Jesus recorded in the gospel of John :) John's gospel makes much more plain the deity of Jesus Christ, Who gives us living water: "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. He who believes into Me, as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.He holds the keys to life and death; in Him we live and move and have our being. He overcame sin and death, and through Him we attain to life ever after, for only He is immortal.
True in gospel John speaks about the first miracle in Cana, though this isn't the first miracle,

When Jesus walked along the Sea of Galilee He saw two fishermen casting there nets,
 

Magenta

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if we all agree that it was probably alcoholic wine why do churches use grape juice in commmunion!?!?!? this is weird..... if Jesus didnt care to use juice why should we..... and btw i dont condone drinking alcohol i never drink anything alcoholic or anything that clouds my mind............
I think it is out of respect for the fact that there are so many people recovering from alcoholism and addiction in our culture, and they want to be mindful of that... my church has started offering both wine and grape juice, whereas before we only had the latter, and though I am a recovered alcoholic and drug addict, I do dip my bread in the wine, and do not fear a relapse as a result, for by the grace of God I am free of those afflictions, and in fact, it was when I cried out to Him for help, not even knowing if He was real, that I first got clean and sober in 1994, at the age of thirty nine, after being snared for twenty four years :)