Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[preacher4truth]

Recently a former member posted the following accusations:

I cannot be a part of a website that allows the teaching that God creates people to send them to hell.

To me that is an abomination. To actually teach that even if one has a contrite heart and seeks forgiveness it is not enough.

Who here teaches these things?

The Reformed have been barraged with many false accusations. One of the drive by slanders of one recently wishing to be removed from the site employed the derision of "lottery" on others who believe in Biblical election. It was intended to ridicule the doctrine of election and those who believe in it.

Now the accusations include the things included in the above quote as well.

So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Or, are all of these simply more false accusations leveled at the Reformed brothers and sisters?

 

[slave]

Well I am not here to stimulate debate over her post, but needless to say it is not enough to have a contrite heart alone, or one who seeks forgiveness alone, even though these things are part and parcel to the thing He does make as a necessity:

(John 3:3): ....New American Standard Bible (NASB)

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

[h=1](1 John 5:11-12): ...New International Version (NIV)[/h]11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

 

[1ofthem]

Recently a former member posted the following accusations:



Who here teaches these things?

The Reformed have been barraged with many false accusations. One of the drive by slanders of one recently wishing to be removed from the site employed the derision of "lottery" on others who believe in Biblical election. It was intended to ridicule the doctrine of election and those who believe in it.

Now the accusations include the things included in the above quote as well.

So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Or, are all of these simply more false accusations leveled at the Reformed brothers and sisters?

Don't you think there is already enough threads about this? There seems to be enough drama as it is so why make a thread like this.

Gees some folks must really love drama, huh?

I've seen a lot of drama queens in my day, but some of you folks take the cake....LOL

 

[followjesus]

one thing ive learned in my time her is that no matter what one believes, it will be twisted by many who believe differently, what isnt said, is perceived often and then the accusations begin, which leads to argument and digression of behavior on every side of a discussion.

a person can say " Jesus talked an awful Lot about obedience" and a few comments later another is claiming "legalism amd self works for salvation youve fallen from grace"

on the other hand someone can say " were saved by the Grace of God" and another will begin " you need to repent your not saved obey the lord"

its more like a battlefield of opinion and insult at times in the bdf. I personally have never seen anyone attempt to teach something like in the op, unless its the occasional athiest that comes to antagonize christians. the Bible has alot to say about Hell, it doesnt have anything to say about God creating anyone to send them thier, it has much to say about God sending His Own Son to die on the cross, and teach us the truth, to keep us from that terrible place.

i think often the issue is someone doesnt agree so our minds somehow add what they arent really saying, in order to defend what our own thoughts or opinions are and it creates alot of contenetion that really isnt even there. i sometimes follow discussions, and it happens from both or all different sides to be honest.

ive never Heard alot of the things some claim another says or "teaches" to be honest with you, never seen alot of the " slander and malice" that some claim others have perpetrated on them. i think its a perception problem, and we should be very careful to actually see what the person is saying, before we see what isnt really there.

 

[ForthAngel]

What I thought was originally honest misconceptions by the synergists has turned into this blatant and constant misrepresentation over and over again. Nothing but fallacious arguments and straw men thread after thread.

 

[preacher4truth]

Don't you think there is already enough threads about this? There seems to be enough drama as it is so why make a thread like this.

Gees some folks must really love drama, huh?

I've seen a lot of drama queens in my day, but some of you folks take the cake....LOL

The only drama in this thread is witnessed in your deriding and callow post. If you have nothing positive to contribute here feel free to move on elsewhere where perhaps others may enjoy that type of behavior.

 

[preacher4truth]

one thing ive learned in my time her is that no matter what one believes, it will be twisted by many who believe differently, what isnt said, is perceived often and then the accusations begin, which leads to argument and digression of behavior on every side of a discussion.

a person can say " Jesus talked an awful Lot about obedience" and a few comments later another is claiming "legalism amd self works for salvation youve fallen from grace"

on the other hand someone can say " were saved by the Grace of God" and another will begin " you need to repent your not saved obey the lord"

its more like a battlefield of opinion and insult at times in the bdf. I personally have never seen anyone attempt to teach something like in the op, unless its the occasional athiest that comes to antagonize christians. the Bible has alot to say about Hell, it doesnt have anything to say about God creating anyone to send them thier, it has much to say about God sending His Own Son to die on the cross, and teach us the truth, to keep us from that terrible place.

i think often the issue is someone doesnt agree so our minds somehow add what they arent really saying, in order to defend what our own thoughts or opinions are and it creates alot of contenetion that really isnt even there. i sometimes follow discussions, and it happens from both or all different sides to be honest.

ive never Heard alot of the things some claim another says or "teaches" to be honest with you, never seen alot of the " slander and malice" that some claim others have perpetrated on them. i think its a perception problem, and we should be very careful to actually see what the person is saying, before we see what isnt really there.

Good post, good points. I've not witnessed the accusations given in the quotes. They seem fabricated and with the intent to demean.

 

[1ofthem]

The only drama in this thread is witnessed in your deriding and callow post. If you have nothing positive to contribute here feel free to move on elsewhere where perhaps others may enjoy that type of behavior.

LOL at all that....Your post was really positive, right. Continuing to try and bait a poster by making a thread to try and belittle them...

Oh well what can we expect from the drive by...err... post by hit 'em up team...lol

 

[preacher4truth]

What I thought was originally honest misconceptions by the synergists has turned into this blatant and constant misrepresentation over and over again. Nothing but fallacious arguments and straw men thread after thread.

I agree, it is quite obvious in intent. Keep on keeping on brother, Jude 1:4!

 

[followjesus]

yeah i think its from our pre concieved doctrines in our minds weve learned from the wrong sources to be honest. im not sure its necassarily a fabrication, but rather a perception issue and possibly a lack of taking the time to really read the other persons words.

i think honestly sometimes, if we took the tome to consider what someone else is saying, and the scriptures were using, even thouigh it may disagree with our pre conception, we could grow towards a deeper faith and understanding. lol the wuotes i used were generalizations, i see those types of things often.

 

[1ofthem]

I agree, it is quite obvious in intent. Keep on keeping on brother, Jude 1:4!

While ya'll are at it don't stop and Jude 1:4...continue reading the whole Bible and see where you stand....lol

 

[preacher4truth]

Patiently waiting for any Reformed to tell us they teach the things in the OP.

Please let the trolls color themselves foolish as witnessed already and just play them and their drama laden posts off. I really want to show how foolish the false accusations are and set the record straight.

 

[followjesus]

What I thought was originally honest misconceptions by the synergists has turned into this blatant and constant misrepresentation over and over again. Nothing but fallacious arguments and straw men thread after thread.

i honestly think bro it comes from both sides or whatever side really, certainly many folks stay out of the arguments, if a person posts much in the bdf, theres a good chance theyve been on both sides, the right and wrong. thats just my opinion and obsevation though. I know in the past, i sometimes didnt really take the time to really see exactly the words another was using, responded to rashly, and then realized later, that i sort of added to what they were actually saying in my response. i try really hard now to see just what they have said, no more, no less.

 

[preacher4truth]

yeah i think its from our pre concieved doctrines in our minds weve learned from the wrong sources to be honest. im not sure its necassarily a fabrication, but rather a perception issue and possibly a lack of taking the time to really read the other persons words.

i think honestly sometimes, if we took the tome to consider what someone else is saying, and the scriptures were using, even thouigh it may disagree with our pre conception, we could grow towards a deeper faith and understanding. lol the wuotes i used were generalizations, i see those types of things often.

People see what they want to see when loathing is held towards others. But I have to say they also hold disdain for biblical doctrines they don't like. This also contributes to their accusations as well. There is no excuse for any of it because they are totally aware of their attack mode, hate and lies. They aren't blind to it for long periods, they know full well what they were doing.

 

[slave]

one thing ive learned in my time her is that no matter what one believes, it will be twisted by many who believe differently, what isnt said, is perceived often and then the accusations begin, which leads to argument and digression of behavior on every side of a discussion.

a person can say " Jesus talked an awful Lot about obedience" and a few comments later another is claiming "legalism amd self works for salvation youve fallen from grace"

on the other hand someone can say " were saved by the Grace of God" and another will begin " you need to repent your not saved obey the lord"

its more like a battlefield of opinion and insult at times in the bdf. I personally have never seen anyone attempt to teach something like in the op, unless its the occasional athiest that comes to antagonize christians. the Bible has alot to say about Hell, it doesnt have anything to say about God creating anyone to send them thier, it has much to say about God sending His Own Son to die on the cross, and teach us the truth, to keep us from that terrible place.

I think often the issue is someone doesnt agree so our minds somehow add what they arent really saying, in order to defend what our own thoughts or opinions are and it creates alot of contenetion that really isnt even there. i sometimes follow discussions, and it happens from both or all different sides to be honest.

ive never Heard alot of the things some claim another says or "teaches" to be honest with you, never seen alot of the " slander and malice" that some claim others have perpetrated on them. i think its a perception problem, and we should be very careful to actually see what the person is saying, before we see what isnt really there.

God tells us to stand against our foe - the devil (satan). And we are to put on the belt of truth. We have had many slander and malice people here, and many misrepresent things said as slander and malice when they have not been so. But this is why we are to be loyal to His Word and not to man; not to right doctrine, and not to right versus wrong alone. This is why we need to be loyal to the Person of Jesus, so we aren't found wandering about the plains of right versus wrong as a battlefield fighting flesh and blood.

This is why we must be bondservants to righteousness, so we can stand against the principalities of darkness in the room and love people (all the more while these things are in the room) and not just survive the experience. We are more than conquerors thru Christ Jesus. So, let's not fight "disagreements" for they shall event themselves.

We cannot judge one who serves another Master, nor should we neglect remembering the teachings Jesus mentioned to us that the world is not confused on what they want to do to us (via satan). They will hate us because their Master hates God.

So, the belt of truth says two things: We can't change what is in the world in way of the spiritual battle we do not see, and

Two: we can change peoples lives if we but lift up Jesus, for He promises to bring all men unto Himself if we do so, remembering what we bring is the good news!. Just stay loyal to God's Word, Stay a bondservant to righteousness, and guard your hearts and minds in prayer so that you don't love with anything less than God's commissioned love He grants us; that we don't let our emotions become evident. Conviction is God's job.

 

[1ofthem]

Patiently waiting for any Reformed to tell us they teach the things in the OP.

Please let the trolls color themselves foolish as witnessed already and just play them and their drama laden posts off. I really want to show how foolish the false accusations are and set the record straight.

You and I have a different definition of what troll means, apparently...

I've watched as you and your little tag team has ran around calling others names and pretending as though you are the only one's in the world who understands the Word of God.


Yet, you get so offended when someone doesn't agree with your little doctrine. Well you pretend like you're offended...I think you just like fake crying to try to stir up more drama ...lol

 

[preacher4truth]

God tells us to stand against our foe - the devil (satan). And we are to put on the belt of truth. We have had many slander and malice people here, and many misrepresent things said as slander and malice when they have not been so. But this is why we are to be loyal to His Word and not to man; not to right doctrine, and not to right versus wrong alone. This is why we need to be loyal to the Person of Jesus, so we aren't found wandering about the plains of right versus wrong as a battlefield fighting flesh and blood.

This is why we must be bondservants to righteousness, so we can stand against the principalities of darkness in the room and love people (all the more while these things are in the room) and not just survive the experience. We are more than conquerors thru Christ Jesus. So, let's not fight "disagreements" for they shall event themselves.

We cannot judge one who serves another Master, nor should we neglect remembering the teachings Jesus mentioned to us that the world is not confused on what they want to do to us (via satan). They will hate us because their Master hates God.

So, the belt of truth says two things: We can't change what is in the world in way of the spiritual battle we do not see, and

Two: we can change peoples lives if we but lift up Jesus, for He promises to bring all men unto Himself if we do so, remembering what we bring is the good news!. Just stay loyal to God's Word, Stay a bondservant to righteousness, and guard your hearts and minds in prayer so that you don't love with anything less than God's commissioned love He grants us; that we don't let our emotions become evident. Conviction is God's job.

How can one be loyal to his word but not loyal to right doctrine? You say we are to be loyal to the former but not to the latter. That is quite contradictory my friend.

 

[slave]

How can one be loyal to his word but not loyal to right doctrine? You say we are to be loyal to the former but not to the latter. That is quite contradictory my friend.

The Word is right so you need not pick up the fight emotionally in fighting for it being right shoving it down peoples throats! Still contradictory?

Nor do we need to become emotional in defending our points, this is God's capacity to serve us as we simply apply ourselves to His lead.

 

[preacher4truth]

Recently a former member posted the following accusations:



Who here teaches these things?

The Reformed have been barraged with many false accusations. One of the drive by slanders of one recently wishing to be removed from the site employed the derision of "lottery" on others who believe in Biblical election. It was intended to ridicule the doctrine of election and those who believe in it.

Now the accusations include the things included in the above quote as well.

So, I am asking, do you teach God creates people to send them to hell?

Do you teach that if one seeks God out of a contrite heart, and thus seeks forgiveness, that it isn't enough?

Or, are all of these simply more false accusations leveled at the Reformed brothers and sisters?

Back on track to the OP. Who here teaches these things?? I think it's time to name the false accusations as what they are - false. I've not witnessed the amount of lying about others from professing believers as I have on here and it's shameful.

 

[followjesus]

People see what they want to see when loathing is held towards others. But I have to say they also hold disdain for biblical doctrines they don't like. This also contributes to their accusations as well. There is no excuse for any of it because they are totally aware of their attack mode, hate and lies. They aren't blind to it for long periods, they know full well what they were doing.

.....or do they? some do certainly fit what you are saying, often though to someone who is more mature and in the obedience of faith, is forgetting there was a time they werent, and really couldnt percieve some of the things they know now that they have grown up. i understand though where your comment is aimed to those actually teaching against the sound biblical things, a if Gods word doesnt apply. there are those who sort of disregard the grace that is necassary to bring us into the widom for the mature though also.

anyways bro, God bless i hope this thread leads to some sort of solution to the issue in the bdf in regards to thae battles and mis representation of others, its sad to see so many warning new members against even attending the bdf because of the constant fighting and lack of patience and support. because some of those new members, and those who refuse to come to the bdf, could both offer things, and learn things if we could figure out how to come together. God bless press on forward Mang....