Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?
- Thread starter preacher4truth
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I was taught by the bible. I decided to read it. And then read it again. And continue to read it. Where did you learn your obvious man-made philosophy? Obviously not from the bible.
thanks for the definition trofimus............... why does romans 10:9 says whosoever calls on the Lord shall be saved........ but Jesus says not all who say Lord Lord.........?
The thing is, Jesus makes the claim that all who are drawn will come to him. So if all are drawn, he is bound by his own words to save everyone.
I also went through the same resistance as you talk about here. Finally I submitted. I see it as the effectual drawing of God. If he draws you, he saves you.
pelagius didnt sound that bad.............. i overstand his viewpoint as well!!!!!!!!!! and augustines!!!!!!!!!!!
Ever notice with the usual reformers that when you catch them explaining or agreeing with double predestination without really saying it, they scream we are lying about them and have no clue what their doctrine is and then they go after people and then talk out of both sides of their mouth?
A parlor trick of reformers is without any doubt not to get caught talking about double predestination with outsiders. reformers believe that This is knowledge is simply to great for other small minds, they get gnostic about it and claim to have special knowledge about it, which God hides from the non-elect.
I have sat in services as a kid listening to a angry bitter evangelist telling parents not to cry if their baby died and went to hell cuz it was all God's doin and chosin....and ifn yer baby was not elect...it went to hell.
They completely hide this from outsiders because it is an area they have no defense for, other than telling you, all men are bound for hell...just like the usual suspects here are trying to say.
"As Scripture says, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame...For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him."
Rom 10:12
My personal opinion is that Romans 10 in the context says that "anyone" means "of any nation". Not every individual.
Many individuals calls the name of the Lord, but they have no real faith and their heart and deeds are far away from Him. These will not be saved, as Jesus said.
Somebody may have a better explanation, this is what I could think of right now.
You'd probably fare better and get a more proper picture if you looked at the councils condemnations on his teachings. Ther probably should be a better standard that "didn't sound that bad" for defense of the Gospel maybe?
What the Pelagius was "that bad" in is his view of Christ´s death and redemption. He taught Christ only made a good example and so fixed the wrong example of Adam.
Jesus also says He will draw all men to Him (John 12:32).
God desires all to come to repentance that none perish...
At some point, the will of man is involved.
Punishment makes no sense otherwise.
Quite the contrary, The spirit bears witness with my Spirit that I am a son of God.
You wont have a clue, so do not bother asking me to explain.
This beats having to wonder all the time, am I elected or not....another thing you all hide quite nicely.
Correct, the drawing implies salvation as well. So when people pull John 12:32 on someone to try and throw a wrench into John 6:65 they don't realize they are implying Universalism in the context they are presenting it.
Are all men coming to Him? If not, He had to have something other in mind when saying this... right?
This is like saying being a christian does not make me a disciple of Christ.
Let that one sink in real deep boy and there may be hope for you.
Love the snide way you speak to others here.
What's wrong if you wonder whether or not you're elect? It wouldn't be any more wrong than you wondering if you're even saved which may prove a beneficial exercise.
Do you claim Romans 8:28ff to yourself? Or not?
If you believe you can loose your salvation and faith, then there is no point in witnessing of your Spirit. All would have it in such a case and regarding future, it means nothing.
If you, on the other hand, believe that the Spirit in you is keeping you to be a son of God, you are believeing in the perseverance of the saints.
I think you have an inconsistent view, a little.
you cannot even stand firm on what YOU believe....so stop acting like you actually have a clue about what I believe....boy