Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?
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No need to deny anything at all. Everyone is who Jesus died for, the election doesn't finish everything, we have Israel as an example. Which Paul makes clear, it is all written for our learning and warning. The bottom line is that he loves the worst on earth so much that he suffered and died, to make a way home to God. Surely there are many who will choose darkness, but the light has been shining since Jesus began speaking and it became as bright as the sun when he walked to the cross. And became brighter still when he rose from the Grave, the eternal Lord and savior of mankind.
Its truly about who will accept Jesus. Again some will some won't, but God didn't force anyone to reject or accept. He's given every man woman and child the same place in his loving arms, some will not find the value, because the world looks too appealing to them. He hardens those who will not accept what's been done for us. He accepts all who accept Jesus Christ, he is not unjust, surely scripture makes clear that some are destined for darkness, but it's not Gods will causing it, it's just that he sees the end from the beginning and already knows who will forsake his son. The choice belongs to us.
But no offense or anything, just a different stance on this subject, God bless and I hope to find an agreeable subject with you as we have in the past. God loves you and you have the right to believe and speak your beliefs as well. Peace to you bro
Its truly about who will accept Jesus. Again some will some won't, but God didn't force anyone to reject or accept. He's given every man woman and child the same place in his loving arms, some will not find the value, because the world looks too appealing to them. He hardens those who will not accept what's been done for us. He accepts all who accept Jesus Christ, he is not unjust, surely scripture makes clear that some are destined for darkness, but it's not Gods will causing it, it's just that he sees the end from the beginning and already knows who will forsake his son. The choice belongs to us.
But no offense or anything, just a different stance on this subject, God bless and I hope to find an agreeable subject with you as we have in the past. God loves you and you have the right to believe and speak your beliefs as well. Peace to you bro
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Bad habits die hard? You still beating sense into folks?
You did say your father taught you that When you were a child.
Have you learnt how God teaches His kids?
I haven't seen Him beat one yet,but folks claiming to be His kids seem to do it a lot.
James 3:17 ►
New International Version
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
You did say your father taught you that When you were a child.
Have you learnt how God teaches His kids?
I haven't seen Him beat one yet,but folks claiming to be His kids seem to do it a lot.
James 3:17 ►
New International Version
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
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Considering the number of people who been telling us we kill cats for the last three weeks, (metaphorically speaking), quite a few listen, and believe, the lies.
Honestly? It's even in a pinned post at the top of this forum. This isn't merely a small little thing going on. And it is quite unloving to lie about bros.
I've never been bothered by non-Reformed until the last three weeks on this site. And what bothers me is the viciousness of their lies.
(And, yeah, I also admit the hostility of some Reformed bothers me too, but that's hostility. Different than lies. It is different to me, because of my personality. Obviously, I don't have as much problem with hostility as out-and-out lying.)
Honestly? It's even in a pinned post at the top of this forum. This isn't merely a small little thing going on. And it is quite unloving to lie about bros.
I've never been bothered by non-Reformed until the last three weeks on this site. And what bothers me is the viciousness of their lies.
(And, yeah, I also admit the hostility of some Reformed bothers me too, but that's hostility. Different than lies. It is different to me, because of my personality. Obviously, I don't have as much problem with hostility as out-and-out lying.)
No, I do not believe that choosing God is the equivalent of saying we have merited something. God's Word says that we are without excuse to reject Him, therefore, those who do reject Him to the end have refused to accept the grace offered, and they pass into the second death. We accept what He offers not due to how smart we are, or because we have earned anything. We have been convicted Spiritually of our need of Him, of Who He is, He is God! Do we not become appointed to eternal life when we accept what He has offered through the shedding of Jesus' righteous blood upon the cross at Golgotha? God made the appointment outside of time before the foundation of the world, but I have accepted it within the confines of the limitations of this world in space and time. I experienced God multiple times before I could lay down my opposition to Him. I do not support building a doctrine on one sentence that is not even a statement, but a what-if question. We both go by what God's Word says, yet have a slightly different understanding. Do you know the exact moment you were saved? I ask because God was drawing me for some time before I surrendered. At what point was I saved? There was a sixteen year lapse of time between God first clearly revealing Himself to me and my surrender to Him. Was I saved at thirty three years of age while I still ran from Him and rebelled against Him and acted in defiance of Him?
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Truthfully, pelagianism vs. Arminianism vs. Open-theism vs. Montanaism, and all that stuff is like describing the color purple. To most, "purple" is good enough. To some, we want to know if that's violet, lavender, indigo, lilac, mauve... etc. It just doesn't matter if purple works for you.
Purple works for me. And so, Reformed vs. Non-reformed.
Purple works for me. And so, Reformed vs. Non-reformed.
If there is only predestination and election there is no need for a covenant between God and Man. I am just pointing this out, because many reformers do not believe in Covenant theology or things in the OT. It is because of this, that certain well known reformers, including John MacArthur, began spreading the false teaching known as replacement theology around.
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Lynn, if folks thought they were lying, one would hope they would stop.
Most people actually believe what they say.
Most of I see it as hostility and defensive behavior mixed in with lots of strawmen from both sides.
There are a handful of folks from both sides, if ignored the rest could have decent convo with....but instead everyone read their lies and strawmen and attack the respective straw man that is just a caricature of the other person's theological position.
Then it becomes a fighting match with both sides feeling misrepresented and attacked.
Most people actually believe what they say.
Most of I see it as hostility and defensive behavior mixed in with lots of strawmen from both sides.
There are a handful of folks from both sides, if ignored the rest could have decent convo with....but instead everyone read their lies and strawmen and attack the respective straw man that is just a caricature of the other person's theological position.
Then it becomes a fighting match with both sides feeling misrepresented and attacked.
If God chooses who will be saved,and who will not be saved,without their input,then that would mean that all Jews would of been saved,for they were chosen to follow God,and the sins of the nation of Israel was atoned for once a year by the High Priest,and they looked to the Messiah to come,who would completely wash away their sins.
But the Bible says,not all Jews are saved,so why is that when Jesus,the Messiah to come,applies to them too,so the benefit is to them the same as the benefit to the saints in the New Testament,and they were chosen of God as a nation to follow Him.
God gave the Old Testament,if they did not comply,they were not saved.
God gives the New Testament,if they do not comply,they are not saved.
Creation testifies of a God that loves people,love God,and love people,so the world is without excuse,so all those who did not hear the word of God will be judged on creation,and their conscience,and if they complied they are saved at the end of the millennial reign of Christ when the dead rise to be judged,and those that did not comply,are not saved.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
God does the calling,and choosing on earth,dependent on the person's actions.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
But the Bible says,not all Jews are saved,so why is that when Jesus,the Messiah to come,applies to them too,so the benefit is to them the same as the benefit to the saints in the New Testament,and they were chosen of God as a nation to follow Him.
God gave the Old Testament,if they did not comply,they were not saved.
God gives the New Testament,if they do not comply,they are not saved.
Creation testifies of a God that loves people,love God,and love people,so the world is without excuse,so all those who did not hear the word of God will be judged on creation,and their conscience,and if they complied they are saved at the end of the millennial reign of Christ when the dead rise to be judged,and those that did not comply,are not saved.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.
Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
God does the calling,and choosing on earth,dependent on the person's actions.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Heb 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.