Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?
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For the record I do not teach or preach that God sends anyone to hell. You send yourself to hell because the wages of your sin is death, unless you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
Reformers there is no nee dot try to convert, correct, admonish, or get me to change what I said above.
Thank you in advance.
Reformers there is no nee dot try to convert, correct, admonish, or get me to change what I said above.
Thank you in advance.
Lynn, I have no beef with you. The one that stirs it up and spews venom, then sits back smugly and acts like a docile little lamb is preacher4truth. These are the ones I remember growing up around and what my Dad used to be.
And yes they are taught these things, your reformed circles may be different, and thats fine. I am not painting you with the same brush.
And yes they are taught these things, your reformed circles may be different, and thats fine. I am not painting you with the same brush.
not in any way brother, not even in the slightest 
often when we disagree with one another, if we part in peace God will work in us to bring fuller knowledge either way. i think when we become bitter, it only Hinders everything that most all of us believe, and reveals our need for change ourselves. I also enjoy the discussions with you and find agreement and edification at different times, so I hope the same and trust that were all good
its always good for us each one to be peacable and mature toward one another, for we represent the Lord Jesus no matter who we are when we name His name . God bless you
often when we disagree with one another, if we part in peace God will work in us to bring fuller knowledge either way. i think when we become bitter, it only Hinders everything that most all of us believe, and reveals our need for change ourselves. I also enjoy the discussions with you and find agreement and edification at different times, so I hope the same and trust that were all good its always good for us each one to be peacable and mature toward one another, for we represent the Lord Jesus no matter who we are when we name His name . God bless you
God is fully sovereign yet man is fully responsible for his actions, the bible supports both views, that's why the reformed say man is responsible for his actions, what we deny is free will, as in, we can always freely choose good or evil apart from our nature, if someone is not born of God and doesn't have the holy spirit that person is not free to choose good, he will always act according to his nature, still he's fully responsible for all the evil acts he does, that's the biblical view, you can see a contradiction in it, but we start reasoning from God, and then down to man, instead of reasoning out of man's will, making God man's secretary merely responding to his actions, this is a key difference, God is proactive in chaning man's heart, so that man can finally please God through the holy spirit and belief in Christ.
It is only a contradiction and double talk because certain reformers cannot stand with courage and conviction on certain beliefs they say the hold dear like, double predestination, because it is impossible for their spirits to agree that an innocent baby would be sent to hell if the child were not elect.
Other hardcore reformers will tell people to their faces if the child was not elect the child went to hell and then actually ask you to join them for lunch and it is their treat.
The double talk comes from a severe case of insecurity, driven by the constant fear, am I elect or not!?
I was called every name in the book by one here when I said that this kind of fear is demonic. Then told I had no idea what the real fear of the Lord is.
Again not all reformers are like this, so I will not paint them all this way. By and large you know which ones are hardcore by their sheer arrogance and then playing the victim when the threat of being corrected shows up.
Other hardcore reformers will tell people to their faces if the child was not elect the child went to hell and then actually ask you to join them for lunch and it is their treat.
The double talk comes from a severe case of insecurity, driven by the constant fear, am I elect or not!?
I was called every name in the book by one here when I said that this kind of fear is demonic. Then told I had no idea what the real fear of the Lord is.
Again not all reformers are like this, so I will not paint them all this way. By and large you know which ones are hardcore by their sheer arrogance and then playing the victim when the threat of being corrected shows up.
it doesnt
deuteronomy 30:11-19 "For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
15See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 16In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. 17But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. 19I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live"
john 1:1-4 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
john 17:1-3 "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. "
romans 10:8-13 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Who has made God man's secretary?
That's just an example, and I'm not saying people here are molinists, where there might well be some, it's just to show to what lengths men go, as far as making God their secretary, to preserve creature autonomy.
I am the one called molinist quite often here Any questions?
Any questions?
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