Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[Meggido]

Well, I finally caught up, and I see the thread is pretty much done.

Just a few final comments to Meggido.

First, I don't remember seeing you post a single Bible verse anywhere. In my books, that means either you do not know the Bible, you are too lazy to post, or you've got nothing to counter the Scriptures posted here.

Second, with regards to your bad feelings towards your father and Reformed doctrine. When I was taking World Religions in seminary, my professor was from a Reformed background. Except, he called his background "HyperCalvinism." He said he was raised in something called superlapsarianism, and it was the far extreme and not orthodox Reformed doctrine at all. His mother was convinced that she could not know if she was part of the elect. She would walk across the room on her knees praying to be part of the elect. He said it was not the true Reformed doctrine.

So perhaps, that is what you were experiencing? In any event, you seem to have not forgiven your father. My father was unsaved and physically abusive to me. But I forgave him and eventually, through my and my husband's witness, God saved him the age of 82, and he died 5 months later.

Which brings me to my last point. Getting back to my seminary professor, he was a missionary to Indonesia, and was sharing the gospel with Muslims and head hunters. Perhaps we all need to recognize how much we fall down in this regard, at least compared to this humble man.

The point being, the course on World Religions was to inform us of what other religions believe and how to best witness to people from these other religions. I asked him "What about those who do not believe?" He said, being Reformed, he left it to God.

In other words, we do witness, we do share the good news with others. But in the end, God is the one who changes hearts and lives, when people here the gospel.

I am concerned about you Meggido. You have a very hard and angry heart, and I truly wonder if you have understood the gospel? Because, when I read all the slander you have done here, it just doesn't seem like I am witnessing a heart changed by the power of God. JMHO, of course!

WOW, I have no bad feelings towards my Dad, who is now in glory. Here you go making assumptions about my relationship with my Dad, but have no clue about anything. I was very glad and loved my Dad, who had the sense to leave a doctrine that was destroying him and his family.

As far as your other assumptions about me they are just that....assumptions

Oh and for the record when I do post scripture and I do it usually is largely ignored because most of you do not see it.

 

[trofimus]

Get a new understanding of that concept. It is from revelation.

IT REFERS TO JESUS.

How In the world could you possibly think people were slain from the foundation of the world?

You are not aware people can not atone for sins?

That is Jesus alone. Get some commentary or something.

(not WOP teacher type)

I said: "You got it wrong. "From the foundation of the world" is not about being slain, but about the names written in the book."

So I have no idea why are you talking about people being slain? Read properly.

 

[Ariel82]

Not relevant to what is clearly said in the Bible....

If somebody says "tongues are in the Bible", I will not fight it any bit, even though I am very, very anti-Charismatic.

Which is fine for those who have read the whole Bible...however most new believers have not done so yet. Though I hope and pray all will, but it's God who will move people to do so.

I read it yearly, but it humbles me to see how much I still have to learn and understand.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...And what about the Not By Works thread?

That thread has Slavic significant,

this, thread does not.

Disagreeing on this thread will not affect your eternity, Oppose then wrong side on that thread, and you could end up in hell

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I just skimmed it...so probably not. But we could make it better.

I just skipped about ten passes.. but if the past goes to show anything when we discuss this topic. It will not get any better. To many egos..

 

[trofimus]

Which is fine for those who have read the whole Bible...however most new believers have not done so yet. Though I hope and pray all will, but it's God who will move people to do so.

I read it yearly, but it humbles me to see how much I still have to learn and understand.

I am afraid I am losing you. I really have no idea how are your responses connected to mine

 

[Ariel82]

I only said what happened. I am aware of his non popularity .

But what better example,since God is in such a small box here.

I really hate that term. "Putting God in a box"

Only box God has ever been placed in Is the human body when he became Jesus.

 

[popeye]

You misunderstand him. He says that people's names were written from the foundation of the world and none were slain then,

....and that would make him wrong.

What that verse is saying,is that Jesus,the lamb, was not an emergency plan b.

 

[Meggido]

What is this post on page 10, if not calling someone a Satanist? Oh, and I reported you for this, and quite a few other pages. Apparently, you thought you were on quite a roll on page 10.

It was just unadulterated slander in one post after another. I can quote them, if you want!

And while we are speaking of arrogance and pride, better get a mirror out!

It is now evident you have a lot of education, but zero knowledge.

I never called him a Satanist, you did.

 

[Ariel82]

I am afraid I am losing you. I really have no idea how are your responses connected to mine

Another day. Going for a bike ride.

 

[trofimus]

Another day. Going for a bike ride.

Be careful, its too hot (at least here). Take much of water with you

 

[popeye]

I really hate that term. "Putting God in a box"

Only box God has ever been placed in Is the human body when he became Jesus.

It is only an expression.

We ALL do it.

It speaks to our failure to know the depths and mind of God. We limit him. Put him in a box.

 

[Meggido]

And you out did his over-the-top. Now what? Because, yes, you did, very much, attack all reformers from your bitterness. And you called him a boy. He didn't call you a boy.

When a man acts like child he is treated like the boy he is....I said I had no beef with you, but here you are making hamburger.

 

[popeye]

I said: "You got it wrong. "From the foundation of the world" is not about being slain, but about the names written in the book."

So I have no idea why are you talking about people being slain? Read properly.

Let me tell you what that verse is saying.
It is referring to Jesus,and when he became the remedy.

Now,connect Jesus to "slain". Look it up. Get some commentary.

 

[notmyown]

It is only an expression.

We ALL do it.

It speaks to our failure to know the depths and mind of God. We limit him. Put him in a box.

shall i know the depths and MIND of God?

am i powerful enough to limit the Most High God? the Sovereign King?

nah.

 

[Desertsrose]

I think he is speaking against pride of some boasting that they are elect and mocking others for not being elect...

Hi Ariel,

I think you may mean Beyond. He's the one that talked about boasting if you go around and claim to be one of the elect.

 

[trofimus]

Let me tell you what that verse is saying.
It is referring to Jesus,and when he became the remedy.

Now,connect Jesus to "slain". Look it up. Get some commentary.

Instead of a commentary, just read the verse.

"and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain." ESV

"And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain." BRB

"All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain." NASB

etc.

 

[samuel23]

Putting God in a box, I used to hear that a lot. It appeared to me to be a way of getting around scripture that would have rebuked the behavior of someone. My reply to that is, God put Himself in a box, it is called the word of God, the bible, otherwise none of us would ever really know what was of God and what was not of God.

 

[Meggido]

And what do you do? Glory in your arrogance and hypocrisy. Why are you better?

You remind me of a used car salesman at a sleazy outfit. Act all nice, until you find out the potential customer doesn't want what you're selling. Then you turn to be exactly what the outfit wants you to be -- sleazy.

I guess your mask fell off.

You know why I am now calling you a liar? Because you just ran down a bunch of lies about reformers based on your bitterness toward your father. If this is what you really think of your dad, you'll need a lot more work on your forgiveness skills. You're still sitting in the anger and bitterness, and take it out on who? Again, why are you better?

Do you really see how your own hypocrisy is now showing? These are not lies, and I have no bitterness towards my Father , who went to glory years ago.

These are truths of your doctrine that you like to brush aside that you cannot refute. You yourself have talked about the evil of double predestination on other threads.

See the thing with reformed people is this, they cannot and will not allow non-reformers to shine the light in their dark places, because they have no answer for the sick, twisted part of their doctrine of sending people to hell, including babies and children that were never elect.

Your hypocrisy is glaring and all you have left.

 

[Desertsrose]

It is even " worse" than that. He was slain from the foundation of the world.

The " problem" is,we don't operate in that dimension,God does.

WOP doctrine claims to understand that dimension,center on their human understanding,make erroneous claims,mock and lampoon any challenger,and make that component their main deal.

It is error by emphasis.

They are blinded that the 2 coexist and overlap ( election vs free will)

Hi Popeye, What is WOP doctrine? Tried to google it, but in reference to Christians it only came up with Women Of Purpose.