Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

[Desertsrose]

Praise God from Whom all blessings flow;
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise Him above ye Heavenly Hosts;
Praise Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Ah.....men.

 

[Depleted]

Dont know Lynn,everyone who disagrees with you becomes a liar. Seems to be your favorite insult to throw around. But it looks like Meggido has you pegged. He's doing pretty good on calling you out,though you'd never admit it. He said he had no beef with you and Im pretty sure you called him a liar.

And yet, another lie. I dare you to prove that "everyone who disagrees with you becomes a liar." Funny thing, that thought never even came to your mind, until I called you a liar. And you knew me for two years. How is that? Unless, of course, you lie!

And, yes, Mezz is a liar too, and pretty much the same reason you are. You both hate reformed so much, you will bring up lies to prove something against it. Right now, he's painting all reformed as bullies, angry, and bitter, while showing his bullying, anger, and bitterness.

And you? Suddenly, magically, after 2 years of disagreeing on this point, NOW suddenly I call everyone I disagree with a liar.

Want me to run down a partial list of who I disagree with at one point or another? Almost everyone! (I'm still looking for where Notmyown and I disagree, but I suspect we will eventually. lol) Including Angela, Ariel, PennEd, Muzu, Preach, Sove, Forth, Peaceful, Follow, Blain, Johnny, OldHermit, Marc, Willie, Rockr, trof, Roger, Demi, Grace7, Dan, and any other person you can think of.

Now, here is the list of people I have called liars, because they have lied, repeatedly:
You,
1of,
Mezz.

Would you like to take this lie back and apologize?

 

[Depleted]

Bubba - I understand what you are trying to say - Jesus death, burial and resurrection accomplishes what was intended to accomplish for the elect. And to a degree, I agree - because when we believe we become the "elect of God". But the scripture says: "If you believe on him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead" - righteousness and justification will be imputed to those who believe.

Bubba, If Jesus death, burial and resurrection was not to get us saved, why did he have to die? Why do we have to believe that God raised him from the dead? (Romans 10:9,10) Jesus died and was raised so that we could have eternal life through faith (belief) in him. Jesus died for everyone - IF one believes - justification and righteousness will be imputed to them.

What is faith? It is the conviction of the truth of anything; i.e. belief "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3) Faith is a noun and the equivalent term or synonym is belief. When we exercise faith; the equivalent term is believing, a verb.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. This is God's promise to us - everything we gain - redemption, justification, righteousness, sanctification, etc. - relies on our faith (belief) in the only begotten Son of God. (See how many times scripture say what comes "by faith in Christ" or "through Christ".) Everybody w/o exception does not have faith therefore everybody w/o exception is not justified. Everybody who believes would be everybody with distinction (if they believe) is justified.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them,not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Side note on people's names: Really? Sove's name is Bubba? I've always wanted to meet a real-life Bubba. Up there with wanting to meet a real-life Babe. lol

 

[Depleted]

I won't reply fully to this because you are right - it is fruitless. Since God picks and knows the elect - heck just save them and get it over with! Why wait with longsuffering when he knows they are going to be saved anyway . . . yea, makes a lot of sense.

One of the 100,000 questions I really do want to ask God when we come face-to-face.

On the other hand, are you saying God is in suspense waiting to find out who is saved too? Kind of defeats the terms "omniscient" and "omnipotent."

 

[BeyondET]

You're missing 4:28, which was nearly the entire point of trofimus post. Somehow after your quoting many texts that portion was left out. All the texts in the other versions say the same thing as trofimus verse of choice so your post missed this point entirely.



Not quite true, every person elected was also predestined as well. That truth is all over the Scriptures. Your point that this was only for Jesus is incorrect. Just as you skipped around Acts 4:48 you are also skipping around the truth of His elect being also predestined.



Bro, the above is false, no one here is boasting in being elect or predestined in the manner you present it. You're presenting a straw man. No one looks down on others and says "I am chosen and you are not." That too is a straw man. No one here has ever said such a thing. It would be nice to actually debate what was said instead of having this perpetually misconstrued "You said, he said, you all say" accusations that are time and again totally unsubstantiated.

I ask you to discontinue this, it is to no ones advantage and frankly it is nothing less than false accusations. There are enough of these accusations on this Christian site. Argue the actual statements without skipping around verses and fabricating statements as if the were said. It's being dishonest and surely you can see that it is if you think about it.

Now, if someone actually says what you accuse, then by all means go for it, but making it up isn't becoming of a professing believer.

Anyhow here is a good passage, and shows that our boasting is not in us, but in God who has chosen us:

For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1:26-31

Yes, we boast in what God has done, and what He has done is choosing us (electing us) to salvation. We boast in that.

And here is another:

But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter. 2 Thessalonians 2"13-15

We also boast in the above Scripture as well concerning what God has wrought.

Thanks for the end part of your post, but I'm not good, God is good, I'm a work in progress, nothing more.

Interesting statement you made (to this he called you through our gospel) thanks man I guess you were called through the gospel before me right plain arrogance, I believe the gospel is for all people who believe in it, period.

 

[kaylagrl]

Sadly this is what has been going on. Nothing really that contributes to the thread, it's several who come in to do the lying, the name calling callowness, things like this. It really should stop. It would be great to see them own up to their behavior and repent.

Lol you're hilarious. The fake self righteousness is too much.smh You stir the pot,name call,falsely accuse everyone of being a liar then sit back and say "tisk,tisk". rofl Too much. You're the on that said you believe in free grace!!! You and Angela should be at each others throats!! She called me a liar for saying what YOU said reformed/calvinists believe. You all need to have a sit down and figure which doctrine your going with. Maybe then you'll stop falsely accusing people of being liars,or maybe you lik doing that?!

 

[Depleted]

Ah, right! You also mentioned how jealous you were in that post of Lynn. I've been friends with Lynn for a long time. But, I confess, she is the one who approached me, which you have not done. But, partly because I disagree, in love, with you on both Arminianism and the charismatic gifts, I didn't feel we would be a good fit as friends. Of course, if you were friendly, I would be friendly in return.

Angela, I don't know if you remember this, but the first time we met, we got into quite an argument. I was new, and giving a traditional "Why can't we get along better" noob post on BDF, about remembering that some of our brothers and sisters have mental health issues, so would everyone please stop thinking they're "trolls."

But you misunderstood that and thought I was saying there is no room for people who have mental health issues on this site. (And given your passion for people with bipolar, you had every right to go off and get angry at someone like that.) It took us half a year to get over that and finally understand. (And, btw, didn't call you a liar either. lol)

I'm amazed how God can work stuff out. Probably does answer why he is long-suffering though.

 

[1ofthem]

And yet, another lie. I dare you to prove that "everyone who disagrees with you becomes a liar." Funny thing, that thought never even came to your mind, until I called you a liar. And you knew me for two years. How is that? Unless, of course, you lie!

And, yes, Mezz is a liar too, and pretty much the same reason you are. You both hate reformed so much, you will bring up lies to prove something against it. Right now, he's painting all reformed as bullies, angry, and bitter, while showing his bullying, anger, and bitterness.

And you? Suddenly, magically, after 2 years of disagreeing on this point, NOW suddenly I call everyone I disagree with a liar.

Want me to run down a partial list of who I disagree with at one point or another? Almost everyone! (I'm still looking for where Notmyown and I disagree, but I suspect we will eventually. lol) Including Angela, Ariel, PennEd, Muzu, Preach, Sove, Forth, Peaceful, Follow, Blain, Johnny, OldHermit, Marc, Willie, Rockr, trof, Roger, Demi, Grace7, Dan, and any other person you can think of.

Now, here is the list of people I have called liars, because they have lied, repeatedly:
You,
1of,
Mezz.

Would you like to take this lie back and apologize?

LOL at that whole post...but it must be true if you say so, right...and there goes the whole double standard thing, your highness. You can call people liars and try to bully people all you want, but as soon as someone stands up to you... then they are lying, bitter, angry, bullies.

Yeah ok, whatever,....but you might wanna look in the mirror, sweetness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol you're hilarious. The fake self righteousness is too much.smh You stir the pot,name call,falsely accuse everyone of being a liar then sit back and say "tisk,tisk". rofl Too much. You're the on that said you believe in free grace!!! You and Angela should be at each others throats!! She called me a liar for saying what YOU said reformed/calvinists believe. You all need to have a sit down and figure which doctrine your going with. Maybe then you'll stop falsely accusing people of being liars,or maybe you lik doing that?!

best just to ignore him too, and so much more peaceful.

really not worth it, he has no desire to discuss, He wants to preach, and condemn anyone who disagrees with him

 

[SovereignGrace]

Of course they can, and do.

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I am not sure I buy it. How many atheists have denied God's existence then came to saving faith later on? Lee Strobel bought a bible to prove it wrong and now is a christian. J. Warner Wallace was an atheist who came to saving faith...I think that's his name. He was in 'God's Not Dead 2'.

The blasphemy of the Spirit Jesus was talking about was those Jews who was with Him saw His works. They saw His healing, raising the dead, feeding 5,000 men, not including women and kids. They attributed those works to the devil. They said the Christ had an evil spirit. That's blaspheming the Spirit.

 

[Depleted]

I believe that God knows that anyone who believes in Christ would become the called out, the chosen, part of the body of Christ, the church and that he knew this plan from the beginning and it is his purpose.

As to know each individual's choices and decisions in life before they make them - nope. If I believed that God knew everything that was going to happen before it happened I would have to believe that he knew Lucifer would rebel against him and later wreak havoc upon mankind and in our own individual lives daily but still went ahead and created him . . . . I would have to believe that God placed that tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, created Adam and Eve, gave them one command and then laughed knowing they would not be able to obey him . . . I would have to believe that God created Adolf Hitler knowing what kind of man he was going to be but created him anyway. I believe that God has given man freedom to make choices and decisions on their own. . . . Something to ponder on.

Well, if there is "the chosen," then who chose them? Can't have chosen without a chooser.

And, do you really think God didn't know?

And, is God so unsovereign that he did know, but just couldn't help it?

I have already figured out God knew what Satan would do, he knew what Adam and Eve would do, he knew what Hitler would do, Stalin, Nero (and Nero killed a LOT of Christians... he made Adolf look like a wannabe), and yet this was his plan all along.

Think about it. What did Satan do to Job without God's direct permission?

 

[1ofthem]

Lol you're hilarious. The fake self righteousness is too much.smh You stir the pot,name call,falsely accuse everyone of being a liar then sit back and say "tisk,tisk". rofl Too much. You're the on that said you believe in free grace!!! You and Angela should be at each others throats!! She called me a liar for saying what YOU said reformed/calvinists believe. You all need to have a sit down and figure which doctrine your going with. Maybe then you'll stop falsely accusing people of being liars,or maybe you lik doing that?!

His hypocrisy knows no bounds!!!

 

[kaylagrl]

WOW, I have no bad feelings towards my Dad, who is now in glory. Here you go making assumptions about my relationship with my Dad, but have no clue about anything. I was very glad and loved my Dad, who had the sense to leave a doctrine that was destroying him and his family.

As far as your other assumptions about me they are just that....assumptions

Oh and for the record when I do post scripture and I do it usually is largely ignored because most of you do not see it.

And if they see it they'll dismiss it with their cherry picked verses.smh

 

[Meggido]

And yet, another lie. I dare you to prove that "everyone who disagrees with you becomes a liar." Funny thing, that thought never even came to your mind, until I called you a liar. And you knew me for two years. How is that? Unless, of course, you lie!

And, yes, Mezz is a liar too, and pretty much the same reason you are. You both hate reformed so much, you will bring up lies to prove something against it. Right now, he's painting all reformed as bullies, angry, and bitter, while showing his bullying, anger, and bitterness.

And you? Suddenly, magically, after 2 years of disagreeing on this point, NOW suddenly I call everyone I disagree with a liar.

Want me to run down a partial list of who I disagree with at one point or another? Almost everyone! (I'm still looking for where Notmyown and I disagree, but I suspect we will eventually. lol) Including Angela, Ariel, PennEd, Muzu, Preach, Sove, Forth, Peaceful, Follow, Blain, Johnny, OldHermit, Marc, Willie, Rockr, trof, Roger, Demi, Grace7, Dan, and any other person you can think of.

Now, here is the list of people I have called liars, because they have lied, repeatedly:
You,
1of,
Mezz.

Would you like to take this lie back and apologize?

Oh my poor dear deceived Lynn, we do not hate reformed people.

We dislike false teachings that God only chooses to elect a few and sends the rest to hell. We dislike the contradictions and hypocrisy the reformers bring to the table,when they are asked to clarify their beliefs and then side step the real core of the doctrine they wish to hide or not take a stand on. We dislike the attitude that they can malign anyone at will, who disagrees, then play the victim and act like they have done no wrong and then actually have the sheer arrogance to state, oh that, yeah I was defending my faith and because I am elect of God I can say or do anything agaisnt what I perceive to be a false teacher or prophet.


The bible says we do not struggle against flesh and blood, we struggle the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. You see Lynn, the spirits behind certain reformed posters is a spirit of arrogance, pride, and a guiding spirit to turn people to their version of the truth. This is masquerading as an angel of light and the spirit of antichrist and Luciferianism

Now you have attempted to say I am no better, but there is a difference,. I am simply calling out the hypocrisy of certain posters and holding them accountable for their glaring contradictions, smug arrogance and indifference in hurting someone out of sheer foolishness because they do not share the same truth.

 

[Depleted]

As I said, the only thing I know about free grace is what a googled a few weeks ago. Perhaps you have a different meaning, but for sure, I NEVER said, I believed in election and free grace. Ever! Find the post! I would NOT say it.

So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. You specifically called me by name. I did not say I believed in any kind of free anything.

Christ did die for the ones he came to save. That is the "all." This requires another thread, not going to get into it. I'm too tired, it is late.

I'm sorry for this fight between us, I have always appreciated your passion for the Bible and for the lost. But, I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless. And yet NO ONE SAID IT WAS!

The gospel must be preached. You were faithful in that. But, this petty jealousy, this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn, saying I believe things I do not, which you will not find anywhere in this forum, that is a big issue. As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. I would say that whether she was a friend or not. I would say that whether I agreed with her theologically or not. She just did not. You are confused, again!

So, I will forgive you in love. I hope I have not hurt you, either. I do believe initially you were sincere in your first posts about trying to understand what Reformers believe. But the third thread, was total attack, and yes, at least for me, you lied about what Reformers believe, and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed.

I'm done. I'm out.

Quote "You also mentioned how jealous you were in that post of Lynn."

Rofl jealous?! Not hardly. lol The two of you ganging up together has nothing to do with me being jealous of either of you. And BOTH of you were my friends until I questioned your dogmatic belief.

Quote " But, I confess, she is the one who approached me, which you have not done. "

The Bible says if you feel someone has wronged you you are to go to them. Funny how Lynn,who agrees with you would come to you first.


Quote " But, partly because I disagree, in love, with you on both Arminianism and the charismatic gifts..."

Ummm Angela where did I say I agreed with Arminaniasm? In fact I said I did not!


Quote" I didn't feel we would be a good fit as friends. Of course, if you were friendly, I would be friendly in return."

Bull feathers!! How long have I been here Angela?! You and I had been friends up to this point,or were you faking that? smh Such nonsense.


Quote "So, no, I won't read him."


Great cause I wont read Calvin or anyone who agrees with him.



Quote ""what a Sovereign God cannot do..." by Wesley."

No,the Op was an article by that name,it wasn't written by Wesley. So you're wrong and lets try this,if you wont read the OP or the thread how about we dont comment. Thats twice now you've mentioned false info against my threads.All because you want to comment but not read.

Quote "So, where in this post, which fortunately includes my post, did I say I believe in free grace??"

You folk are quite a lot, i'll give you that. I was kicked by preacher saying he believes in free grace,he's reformed,calvinist whatever you all claim to be when it suits your purpose. So I got the fire kicked out of me for saying you all dont believe in free grace. So if YOU personally are not reformed,calvinist,whatever then that would not apply to YOU. And I DID NOT LIE about you!!! I was talking about calvinists and reformed. Read where preacher said he believed in free grace. Wow oh wow you people... What a confused bunch you are,you cant even get on the same page with each other!!!

Quote"So if you are not lying, you certainly were confused. "

And yet you chose to call me a liar.

Quote " you certainly were confused"

You got that right! You all are a mess.


Quote " I see so much pettiness, in an attempt to prove that your ministry was not pointless."


Oh!!! Im a liar and petty! What I did was not in vain.It would be if I believed as you all do. That was the point. So dont cheapen the point I was making.I did what I felt called to do and many,many others have done the same and seen souls saved. I know God blessed the effort and people came and gave their lives to the Lord.


Quote "But, this petty jealousy"

Not jealous,you're right you two make great friends.


Quote "this attempt to slander me for being friends with Lynn"

Slander,the insults just keep coming. If you're going to tell me you aren't defending Lynn Im not going to buy that. Call me any name you wish.


Quote " saying I believe things I do not,"

I lumped you in with reformed and calvinists and preacher who said he did believe in free grace,how dare I say otherwise. smh Maybe you all need to have a sit down and figure out what you believe. The comment was made to calvinist reformed,if you are not either of those it doesn't apply to you,now does it?


Quote "As for Lynn, you said she was going behind your back. She did NOT go behind anyone's back. "

Explained what I meant by that pages ago. You'd know that if you'd read the thread.


Quote "So, I will forgive you in love."


I didn't ask for your forgiveness. If you were doing anything in love you'd have come to me privately like the Bible says.


Quote "I hope I have not hurt you, either."


Nope you haven't,its good to know where I stand with people.


Quote "you lied about what Reformers believe"


Nope never lied about anything.


Quote "and specifically you lied about me by name, and what I believed."

And that didn't happen either. I wont hear an apology for it,thats for sure. You're not the only one done.I suggest you block me so we can avoid further unpleasantness between us.
[/QUOTE]
Any chance you've yet notice you've been spending a week now justifying yourself? What became of God?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Bubba - I understand what you are trying to say - Jesus death, burial and resurrection accomplishes what was intended to accomplish for the elect. And to a degree, I agree - because when we believe we become the "elect of God". But the scripture says: "If you believe on him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead" - righteousness and justification will be imputed to those who believe.

Bubba, If Jesus death, burial and resurrection was not to get us saved, why did he have to die? Why do we have to believe that God raised him from the dead? (Romans 10:9,10) Jesus died and was raised so that we could have eternal life through faith (belief) in him. Jesus died for everyone - IF one believes - justification and righteousness will be imputed to them.

What is faith? It is the conviction of the truth of anything; i.e. belief "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3) Faith is a noun and the equivalent term or synonym is belief. When we exercise faith; the equivalent term is believing, a verb.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. This is God's promise to us - everything we gain - redemption, justification, righteousness, sanctification, etc. - relies on our faith (belief) in the only begotten Son of God. (See how many times scripture say what comes "by faith in Christ" or "through Christ".) Everybody w/o exception does not have faith therefore everybody w/o exception is not justified. Everybody who believes would be everybody with distinction (if they believe) is justified.

Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them,not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Here's my point. We rest in the finished works of the cross. Nothing can be added to this work. That's why we aver faith and repentance are both gifts of God. Both of these are necessary in being saved. If we bring our faith, meaning we innately possess faith, then it was our faith + the cross works of the Christ that saved us. Then, the cross was not the sole sufficient source of our salvation.

The point I am making is the Christ's crossworks actually saves all those it was intended to save. If He died for everyone and rose for everyone's justification, then all will be saved.

Oh, and its Bubby. Around here in WVa, ppl are Bubby and Sissy.

 

[Depleted]

Well, you're well known and infamous for slinging mud. At it again, eh?

Yeah, "I doubt it." Mud. Wow. From a pigs wallow? Radioactive? The bottom of the East River? "I doubt it." Wow! Very potent, disgusting mud slinging, if I've ever seen it. Should I get out the bleach? Maybe cut off my hand now that I've slung that mud? I may never been clean again after such harsh mud slinging.

(You're woe-is-me stuff is quite funny often.)

 

[Meggido]

And if they see it they'll dismiss it with their cherry picked verses.smh

This is why I post scripture the way I do. It proves to most people they are theologians but not doers.

 

[Depleted]

I think it's purple....lol.

Turquoise? lol

 

[ForthAngel]

This is why I post scripture the way I do. It proves to most people they are theologians but not doers.

Go back through the thread. I don't think you've posted one single bible verse. Just ad hominem and name calling.