Does Anyone Here Teach The Following?

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​I didn't kind of apologize, I apologized and if it was not adequate for Forth he can tell me he doesn't accept it,not you.

Yes and you like and rep people you agree with,as doesn't everyone here. Didnt you tell someone you wished you could rep something they posted twice you agreed so much? I'll ask so I wont be accused of lying. And no plays victim round here and feign persecution more than you.
Why? You don't think Ariel deserved a rep? (And, no. I didn't want to rep twice. My problem was I repped her too recently to rerep her again. Honest mistake. At least I can tell the difference.)

My point is, (because, boy, you can be thick), is yes, Angela is my friend. Just as you have friends. There is no problem with friends repping each other. BUT, I haven't repped Angela for having my back, and you're all kinds of "we'll your buddies, so that's wrong," while you have proved your own buddy/attaboy system.

And, honey? I haven't been a victim in 41 years. I don't play victim, but you, sure do like protecting your blinder's eye POV.
 
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Like I said before,when you make it about God we'll deal on that level. Until you stop jumping me for any reason you can find ,this is how it will be,or you can put me on ignore since we're no longer friends.

Soooo family is who according to you?? Who is worth defending? Can you clarify that for me?
Wow. Two years, and you don't even understand family with me.

Did you ever listen to anything I've ever said? I thought we were friends. I guess we never were.

Why bother?
 

DJ2

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What is taught is that God's mercy saves people but people's sins are what causes them to be condemned.

God doesn't tempt people to sin.they do that on their own.
God is still just to punish sinners..vessels of wrath.

However God predestined some to be pulled from,the fire and reshaped to display His glory and mercy to the world.
"God doesn't tempt people to sin.they do that on their own." Even infants and the unborn? Are they destined also?

Who makes these "vessels of wrath" is it not God? (Romans 9:21) If you are going to accept predestination, you are going to have to lose the free will of the "vessels".
 

stonesoffire

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So you have faith in his Word, and yet you reject everything you don't like? Like all the neat metaphors, the comparisons? Those are there for a purpose. To teach us and to help us grow.

Yet you keep parroting all this nonsense about how you are not a sheep, only a son. Strange, I would rather be a daughter, but your choice of course. (Just joking! I know the masculine is inclusive of the feminine in Greek and Hebrew, as it used to be in English!)

The sheep metaphor is particularly poignant to me. My husband was telling me, after a frustrated day of disabling pain, that my "behaviour" showed I was not a Christian. I apologized, but then, God spoke to me and told me to tell him, "My sheep know my voice."

He was a bit taken aback, and then realized that, indeed, I did know the voice of God. It opened the door for me to speak to him about the fact that you cannot lose your salvation. A good talk, although, perhaps a ways to go for him on the soteriological issue.

Last summer, I was given John 10:7-10 to preach on in my church. That is when I got deep into the story behind sheep and goats, and how we are sheep, and that is a GOOD thing. Because, Jesus tells us to follow him, and all those years of me being a goat, running to and fro, far from him, came to an end, when I realized he was the door, and the way, the truth and the life AND the Good Shepherd!

Ironically, a favourite Word Faith verses is right in that parable of the sheep in John 10. (And yes you are Word Faith, not sure why you won't admit it. All the verses you quote, the way you argue, are all signs of following men and this destructive heresy, instead of the Bible, which you choose to reject so many parts of!)

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." John 10:10

Too many people pull this verse out of context, and apply it to material blessings or other nonsense, instead of understanding the context of the verse.

"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.3 To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.4 When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.5 A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”6 This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them.
7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. 11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd, who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep. 14I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep." John 10:1-15.

The abundant life means having Jesus as the Good Shepherd. If you reject being a sheep, you are then rejecting the Good Shepherd. Besides not having respect for the Bible, where every single word counts! I would hate to see anyone excluded because from the Kingdom of God, because they had been lied to about the richness of the meanings of the Bible, and by rejecting being a sheep, the Good Shepherd also rejects them.

As for this narrow view that sheep and goats are nations, you really don't know how to read the Bible, do you? Jesus uses that in in Matt 25, to refer to the nations, but the metaphor is so much broader than that. You simply cannot hermeneutically apply one passage of Scripture to every other occurrence of the word sheep. Because, in the Bible, sometimes sheep are actually sheep, too!


I am not planning on missing out on God's goodness, for Jesus is the Good Shepherd and certainly, I am his sheep.


1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
 

Angela53510

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servants, no. That is not what we have been given through Jesus. Heirs of His inheritance left for us to reign in life by.

Im never so surprised as when I see just how much the children of God do not understand what we are. What Yeshua bought for us so that He can call us brethren.


I really cannot believe you! Now you reject the slave/servant metaphor? You are missing most of the Bible. It concerns me, because if you cannot understand these metaphors, what kind of gospel do you believe? You have missed so many life lessons with your arrogant Word Faith nonsense!

" But Jesus called them to him and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them. 26 It shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave, 28 even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Matt 20:25-28

" But it shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” Mark 10:43-45


"and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.21 But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT]22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life." Romans 6:18-22

[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Of course, Paul also uses the "son" metaphor in Galatians 4:7. But, that does not negate the paradox of what he has written in other epistles. We have to believe ALL the bible, and Word Faith likes to pick and choose, name the words they like, and reject the rest. However, even Gal. 4 must be read in terms of the rest of Galatians! It was written to counter Judiazers, who were trying to put the yoke of the law back on the Christians in Galatia. So, Paul was not contradicting himself, but in fact, speaking to a totally different situation. Certain people were demanding that the Christians were not saved, unless the men were circumcised.

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Ιn fact, Paul opens with a stern warning at the beginning of the Letter to the Galatians, and reiterates that he is "servant of Christ."
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"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." Gal. 1:6-10
But if you consider yourself a son, even then, Paul looks at it as an opportunity to serve others. (Servant and slave are the same word in Greek. (Δοῦλος)

"For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another." Gal. 5:13

You really need to read the whole Bible, and learn to trust and obey it. Right now, you are basically rejecting so much Scripture, I fear for you!

 

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1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Yes, now turn a blind eye to other Scriptures. Don't you dare implement 2 Timothy 2:15 or you'll be proven wrong.
 

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SBC churches teach this doctrine, others also.

We've been to several that teach false doctrine. Perhaps you will expound upon what you mean here. I am interested but am worn out from work as of now. I look forward to your response.
 
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I know, which proves your apology to be disingenuous. IOW, you meant and still mean the harm you intended, and the apology was only remorse for being caught. So, no need to apologize on your part, you still mean what you've said, the apology was all show, or, better yet "biblical abracadabra" and "charisma." I've been around the block enough to know a false apology when I see one. ;)
Maybe you're not on a block then, because Stonesinfire is genuine too.
 

stonesoffire

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Yes, now turn a blind eye to other Scriptures. Don't you dare implement 2 Timothy 2:15 or you'll be proven wrong.
I have no idea what u are talking about. How about you proving with scripture that I'm wrong?
 
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Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


john 8:31-32 "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free
 

stonesoffire

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Thank you Lynn. I very much appreciate your comment.

Stones ( not me) are flying every which way and quite loose.
 

Angela53510

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1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

I actually know 1 John quite well. Besides the children's song, which is based on this verse, 1 John is an easy read in Greek. Now, I don't say that to lord it over anyone, but because, you have pulled a verse out of context, which is the usual Word Faith modus operandi. Reading in Greek helps me focus not just on individual verses, but on the overall context.

So, do you have any idea what the book of 1 John is about at all? Probably not, since you don't seem to have a clue about the book of John, the book of Galatians, and certainly not Romans. But I digress.

1 John is a book addressed to believers, to talk about sin, and how we are not to sin, but instead, to walk in the light.

"If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin" 1 John 1:10 - 2:1

How do we walk in the light?

"Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him" 1 John 2:15

So, for my final lesson on context tonight, let's put 1 John 3:1 into context, and see if it is talking about sonship, or if it is talking about avoiding sin, (because we are the children of God.)

"See what kind of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God; and so we are. The reason why the world does not know us is that it did not know him.2 Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears[a] we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.3 And everyone who thus hopes in him purifies himself as he is pure.
4 Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous. 8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother."

My plea to you is to please read the whole book. The book of 1 John, the book of John, the book of Romans, and ALL the books of the Bible. You have a sadly truncated view of the truths of the Bible. In fact, this parroting of a few verses indicates to me, that you desperately need to start reading the Bible, and stop pulling verses out of context, and trying to force them to say things they do not say.


Or worse, totally rejecting so much of Scripture. One has to wonder if someone can actually be saved, and not believe so much of God's Word!
 
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OK, so for calvin's cult followers who believe God literally controls every little thing in everyone's life because free will is supposedly a myth...

So, when someone gets in to a car wreck and dies or becomes maimed, or someone gets cancer and spends their life savings and dies anyway, when someone gets raped and is scarred for life... are you telling me that God either caused that or had a hand in bringing destruction like this to pass in people's lives???

If this is what you are saying then you have a darkened heart having been deceived by satan into believing God and the devil work hand in hand and are cooperating together as though satan is working for God because after all... man has no free will according to you nutjobs and God pre-ordained everything that happens in each person's life...

What a bunch of bull malarkey ...
if I weren't a Christian I'd cuss you out for believing this satanic garbage!
 

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OK, so for calvin's cult followers who believe God literally controls every little thing in everyone's life because free will is supposedly a myth...
No one believes this. If you had enough respect to read what we say instead of blasting everyone with your moronic nonsense on every single thread you would know this.
 

ForthAngel

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OK, so for calvin's cult followers who believe God literally controls every little thing in everyone's life because free will is supposedly a myth...
To fully answer, not that you'll care, no one believes God forces sin upon man, nor does he control us like robots.

So, when someone gets in to a car wreck and dies or becomes maimed, or someone gets cancer and spends their life savings and dies anyway, when someone gets raped and is scarred for life... are you telling me that God either caused that or had a hand in bringing destruction like this to pass in people's lives???
Everything was predetermined. God creates calamity at times. From Isaiah 45:

I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Other times things are just a result of our own sin and behavior.

If this is what you are saying then you have a darkened heart having been deceived by satan into believing God and the devil work hand in hand and are cooperating together as though satan is working for God because after all... man has no free will according to you nutjobs and God pre-ordained everything that happens in each person's life...

What a bunch of bull malarkey ...
if I weren't a Christian I'd cuss you out for believing this satanic garbage!
Again, if you weren't such a mindless drone and had the decenty to read what we say, you would understand our position and represent it truthfully. I have no hope that you will however.