King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[SovereignGrace]

What did Nebuchadnezzar say? Prove it from the original language.

He was a pagan king who had no knowledge of the God of Israel. He had many gods he served. He even made one that caused those three Hebrews to cast into that fiery furnace. He had even asked them this question..."and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?" He was astonished this God would deliver these men out of his hands.

But he did not know it was Jesus, the Son of God, who was in there with them. He knew it was a God he was unfamiliar with that had powers to deliver them, but he didn't know anything about the God of Israel, or His Son. That's why he said 'son of the gods.'

 

[KJV1611]

That word, 'owlam has a myriad of meanings...

Long duration, antiquity, for ever, forever, everlasting, evermore, ancient time, long time, &c.

The translators just used a different English word in other translations than the KJV did.

So do you believe Jesus had an origin as the NIV says or do you believe Jesus' has been stepping into creation from ancient times before the incarnation as the KJV says?

 

[MattforJesus]

Micah 5:2 in the KJV is stating that the Savior to come will be from everlasting,which means He will have no beginning,but will be ruler in Israel according to a visible manifestation,and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

But it appears that in the NIV it is stating that the Savior to come has origins as if He is a created God,and if they make it out to mean when He appears in flesh that is the origins then they still translated it wrong.

For the KJV is stating that the Savior to come is God Himself in a visible manifestation,for He is from everlasting,no beginning according to His deity.

So what is the NIV trying to say by His origins are from old,from ancient times,as if they are tying to take away that He has no beginning,which is how the KJV translates it,for He has no origins according to the KJV,not at that particualr point,but the ruler will be a visible manifestation of God,who is from everlasting.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So do you believe Jesus had an origin as the NIV says or do you believe Jesus' has been stepping into creation from ancient times before the incarnation as the KJV says?

No........................

 

[KJV1611]

He was a pagan king who had no knowledge of the God of Israel. He had many gods he served. He even made one that caused those three Hebrews to cast into that fiery furnace. He had even asked them this question..."and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?" He was astonished this God would deliver these men out of his hands.

But he did not know it was Jesus, the Son of God, who was in there with them. He knew it was a God he was unfamiliar with that had powers to deliver them, but he didn't know anything about the God of Israel, or His Son. That's why he said 'son of the gods.'

That's just your opinion, the KJV says it was the son of God. Who is right, the KJV or you?

 

[KJV1611]

No........................

So you agree the KJV is right and the NIV is wrong.

 

[KJV1611]

Micah 5:2 in the KJV is stating that the Savior to come will be from everlasting,which means He will have no beginning,but will be ruler in Israel according to a visible manifestation,and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.

But it appears that in the NIV it is stating that the Savior to come has origins as if He is a created God,and if they make it out to mean when He appears in flesh that is the origins then they still translated it wrong.

For the KJV is stating that the Savior to come is God Himself in a visible manifestation,for He is from everlasting,no beginning according to His deity.

So what is the NIV trying to say by His origins are from old,from ancient times,as if they are tying to take away that He has no beginning,which is how the KJV translates it,for He has no origins according to the KJV,not at that particualr point,but the ruler will be a visible manifestation of God,who is from everlasting.

That's why I say all bible versions ARE NOT the same.

 

[SovereignGrace]

That's just your opinion, the KJV says it was the son of God. Who is right, the KJV or you?

No, look at that king. He had no knowledge of their God.

And the KJV is the final authority? I agree God's word trumps us everyone, but the KJV is not the inspired word, but a translation of it. Just as the NIV, ESV, NASB, ISV et al are.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So you agree the KJV is right and the NIV is wrong.

Well, they could have chosen a better English word for 'owlam, that's for sure.

 

[KJV1611]

No, look at that king. He had no knowledge of their God.

And the KJV is the final authority? I agree God's word trumps us everyone, but the KJV is not the inspired word, but a translation of it. Just as the NIV, ESV, NASB, ISV et al are.

Prove what Nebuchadnezzar said from the original Aramaic. It can be proven from the Aramaic that it was the son of God. I learned that today thanks to Sagart who argued the opposite is true.

 

[KJV1611]

Well, they could have chosen a better English word for 'owlam, that's for sure.

I don't think you're understanding the verse. The verse is prophecying that Christ will come.... this same Christ that has been going forth as the pre-incarnate Christ from ancient times. i.e. probably Melchizadeck, the burning bush, the captain of the host etc.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Prove what Nebuchadnezzar said from the original Aramaic. It can be proven from the Aramaic that it was the son of God. I learned that today thanks to Sagart who argued the opposite is true.

I can't read Aramaic. That why I trust those who put the original languages into a language I can read.

 

[MattforJesus]

He was a pagan king who had no knowledge of the God of Israel. He had many gods he served. He even made one that caused those three Hebrews to cast into that fiery furnace. He had even asked them this question..."and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?" He was astonished this God would deliver these men out of his hands.

But he did not know it was Jesus, the Son of God, who was in there with them. He knew it was a God he was unfamiliar with that had powers to deliver them, but he didn't know anything about the God of Israel, or His Son. That's why he said 'son of the gods.'

Dan 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
Dan 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Dan 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Dan 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

King Nebuchadnezzar had the knowledge of the God of Israel,and said that He is the God of gods,the greatest God,and a Lord of kings,and proclaimed throughout his kingdom for everybody to acknowledge the God of Israel,and if anybody said anything amiss about the God of Israel,and the king found out,or his trusted men,then that person was cut in pieces,and his house made a dunghill.

King Nebuchadnezzar had the highest revelation of God than any other Gentile king in the history of mankind,and Babylon was favored more than any other kingdom,for it is represented as gold,but when the king's son blew it,they fell hard,and the kingdom was stripped from them,and they would then be known as the kingdom of man.

Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Babylon is the first beast,and they rode on eagle's wings,because of their high revelation of God,and king Nebuchanezzar died acknowledging the God of Israel,but when his son Belshazzar blew it by taking the vessels out of the temple of God,and drank out of them praising false gods,then the kingdom was stripped from them,and given to the Medes and Persians,the eagle's wings were plucked,they lost the revelation of God,and Babylon would then be known as the kingdom of man more than any other kingdom.

Some people may think that the KJV might be corrupt because of king James,which they say he was a heathen,surely God could not be at work there,but God can use the heathen to do His will,and spread His word,even if they have heathen traits about them.

So it does not prove the KJV is corrupt because of king James.

For king Nebuchadnezzar is a good example of God working with a heathen king,and a heathen kingdom,to get His name,and truth,proclaimed throughout that kingdom,at the time they ruled,for there has never been a more favored kingdom than Babylon which is referred to as gold,but they blew it,and fell hard,for the more you know and blow it,the harder you fall.

Maybe king James got right it in the interpretation of scriptures,for God can work among the heathen to get His truth out,for the heathen have a great influence over many people when they are king,and the truth can extend,and be accepted,to a great number of people,and distance.

And maybe the newer versions are blowing it,but not to debate versions,only making a maybe statement.

 

[KJV1611]

I can't read Aramaic. That why I trust those who put the original languages into a language I can read.

Trust God to take care of those things... men will and have lied to you on this verse and MANY MANY others. I'm praying for you brother.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I don't think you're understanding the verse. The verse is prophecying that Christ will come.... this same Christ that has been going forth as the pre-incarnate Christ from ancient times. i.e. probably Melchizadeck, the burning bush, the captain of the host etc.

This same word, 'owlam is also found in Genesis 17 where God to Abraham that He would give the land as an everlasting('owlam) possession and that the covenant He made with Abraham and his ppl would also be everlasting('owlam).

The reason why I bring this up is because I was once a staunch amil. I also believed that the earth would be burned up to be no more. However, this verse has caused me to abandon that camp, though I am not firmly in any eschatological camp now, but lean towards Chiliasm(historic-pre-mill). So, if the land is an everlasting possession, that land was not always there. It was created from 'in the beginning'. So, 'everlasting' and 'ancient days' have the same root word, 'owlam'. The NIV translators used the wrong word. But they were not inspired when they wrote the NIV, neither were the KJV'ers.

Now, not for one nanosecond do I think that the Christ was a created Being, nor was there ever a time in eternity past He did not exist. But that verse, Micah 5:2 should have been given a better English word.

 

[KJV1611]

This same word, 'owlam is also found in Genesis 17 where God to Abraham that He would give the land as an everlasting('owlam) possession and that the covenant He made with Abraham and his ppl would also be everlasting('owlam).

The reason why I bring this up is because I was once a staunch amil. I also believed that the earth would be burned up to be no more. However, this verse has caused me to abandon that camp, though I am not firmly in any eschatological camp now, but lean towards Chiliasm(historic-pre-mill). So, if the land is an everlasting possession, that land was not always there. It was created from 'in the beginning'. So, 'everlasting' and 'ancient days' have the same root word, 'owlam'. The NIV translators used the wrong word. But they were not inspired when they wrote the NIV, neither were the KJV'ers.

Now, not for one nanosecond do I think that the Christ was a created Being, nor was there ever a time in eternity past He did not exist. But that verse, Micah 5:2 should have been given a better English word.

What word should be there?

 

[SovereignGrace]

What word should be there?

I think eternity, or eternal.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Dan 2:46 Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.
Dan 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Dan 3:26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire.
Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
Dan 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort.

Dan 4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Dan 4:36 At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
Dan 4:37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

King Nebuchadnezzar had the knowledge of the God of Israel,and said that He is the God of gods,the greatest God,and a Lord of kings,and proclaimed throughout his kingdom for everybody to acknowledge the God of Israel,and if anybody said anything amiss about the God of Israel,and the king found out,or his trusted men,then that person was cut in pieces,and his house made a dunghill.

King Nebuchadnezzar had the highest revelation of God than any other Gentile king in the history of mankind,and Babylon was favored more than any other kingdom,for it is represented as gold,but when the king's son blew it,they fell hard,and the kingdom was stripped from them,and they would then be known as the kingdom of man.

Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

Babylon is the first beast,and they rode on eagle's wings,because of their high revelation of God,and king Nebuchanezzar died acknowledging the God of Israel,but when his son Belshazzar blew it by taking the vessels out of the temple of God,and drank out of them praising false gods,then the kingdom was stripped from them,and given to the Medes and Persians,the eagle's wings were plucked,they lost the revelation of God,and Babylon would then be known as the kingdom of man more than any other kingdom.

Some people may think that the KJV might be corrupt because of king James,which they say he was a heathen,surely God could not be at work there,but God can use the heathen to do His will,and spread His word,even if they have heathen traits about them.

So it does not prove the KJV is corrupt because of king James.

For king Nebuchadnezzar is a good example of God working with a heathen king,and a heathen kingdom,to get His name,and truth,proclaimed throughout that kingdom,at the time they ruled,for there has never been a more favored kingdom than Babylon which is referred to as gold,but they blew it,and fell hard,for the more you know and blow it,the harder you fall.

Maybe king James got right it in the interpretation of scriptures,for God can work among the heathen to get His truth out,for the heathen have a great influence over many people when they are king,and the truth can extend,and be accepted,to a great number of people,and distance.

And maybe the newer versions are blowing it,but not to debate versions,only making a maybe statement.

In 1 Samuel 5 and 6, we can see the Philistines having possession of the Ark of the Covenant. The whole time God's hand was heavy upon them. Their priests and soothsayers said “If you return the ark of the god of Israel, do not send it back to him without a gift; by all means send a guilt offering to him. Then you will be healed, and you will know why his hand has not been lifted from you.”[1 Samuel 6:3] These guys knew that the God of Israel was stronger than the god they served, Dagon.

Yes, Nebachudnezzar said what he said. However, how much reverence did he gave Him? Later on he asked those three Hebrews is there a god that could deliver them out of his hand? After he saw what he saw happening in the furnace, he said that the God of the Hebrews would be God. Then later on Daniel warned him that in the day he would look at his kingdom and say it was his hands that got him that kingdom, he'd lose it and his mind. That pagan king was so wishy-washy it is scary. There was not a change made in him by God until At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever.His dominion is an eternal dominion; his kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?”[SUP] [/SUP]At the same time that my sanity was restored, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom. My advisers and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before. Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble.[Daniel 4:34-37]

Yes, Nebuchudnezzar acknowledged the God of Israel in Daniel 2, but in chapters 3 he defied him and even asked in their God could deliver them out of his hands. After he saw what God had done, he said that their God would be the God of the Babylonians. Then in chapter 4 he was warned what would happen when he got haughty and look what happened.

I see him like Simon Magus. It said he believed and was baptized, but Peter said his heart was not right with him when he sought to buy the gift of healing with money.

 

[trofimus]

From the website:



9 And the king was sorie: neuerthelesse for the othes sake, and them which sate with him at meate, he commanded it to be giuen her:

9 And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath’s sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.

I think this enough to prove the "significant errors" in the KJV since 1611.... changes which "affect the meaning" lol.

I have no idea why did you not deal with the real changes? Like:

"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son hath not life."

Yes, there is a difference (very significant) between the words Lord and God.

You are attacking modern translations for one word there or here, but when the KJV leaves or adds "God", when it changes Lord to God ... still no problem. You are unjust.

 

[John146]

When anyone confuses the word of God with a specific translation of the Bible, they are delusional. Moreover, the English language is an exceedingly dynamic language that is changing so rapidly that English language dictionaries become obsolete about every 15-20 years. Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary was first published in 1898, and in 2003 the eleventh edition was published. In my study, I have the following editions,

Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Fifth Edition, 1936
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Sixth Edition,
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Sixth Edition
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Seventh Edition
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Eighth Edition
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Ninth Edition,
*Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Tenth Edition
Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition, 2003

By comparing these eight editions that span only 67 years, we can see changes in the meaning expressed by the words that they define.

A substantial number of the words used in the KJV have a distinctly different meaning today than they did in 1611. Many readers, unaware of this, error in their interpretation of Biblical passages that include these words. Other readers, who may suspect that a certain word used to mean something different than what they are accustomed to, would find very little help in most dictionaries.

Those readers who nonetheless rely heavily upon the KJV will find the most help in a recent edition (9th or later) of Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary published by Merriam-Webster. This dictionary lists the meanings of words chronologically according to the date the various meanings came to be used in print, and includes the date when the word first appeared in print in a source known to Merriam-Webster (Their databank of English word usage is massive!). Meanings that were once established but are no longer current, are included, but are labeled “archaic.” Reading in the KJV, we read,

Acts 17:2. And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
3. Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Some readers might suspect that the word “alleging” doesn’t seem quite right here. If they were to look up “allege” in the Eleventh Edition of Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, they would find that Merriam-Webster has in its files a citation of the word “allege” dating from the 14th century and that it meant at that time “to adduce or bring forward as a source or authority.” They would also learn that the word now means “to assert without proof or before proving”, and that the former meaning is labeled “archaic.” In Acts, Luke was writing that Paul was bringing forward the Scriptures as an authority that Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead.

Again, the KJV will define itself using the first mention principle. When a word or phrase is first mentioned in Scripture, the word or phrase will be defined through the context of that first mention. No need to go to man's dictionary. God has built His own dictionary in His word. Individual words are important, not just a paraphrased meaning.