Consequences of sinning

[notuptome]

and use care not to negate the truth, by exalting Grace above it

The truth that man is a sinner, that his sin condemns him before God and the righteousness of Christ is imputed by grace because it can not be merited?

The truth exalts grace above man and above works.

Who can discern between grace and "hyper grace" if such a thing even exists?

The idea of grace promoting sin is not to ever be thought. God forbid that grace be seen as a license to sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[followjesus]

11And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."

john 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

mark 4:12 "That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

john 1:17 "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

john 18:37 "Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

 

[dcontroversal]

I would study the words deliberately keep on sinning.

This isn't a one time choice. Its a continued defiance in Christ. As in the person would rather not continue to surrender to Jesus but live and indulge in the world.

You should study the definition and use of verbs and nouns......and how John differenciates between the two.....and then learn that the consequences of sin in a believer is different than one who is lost............

Lost<---eternally seperated from Christ in the lake of fire
Saved eternally<---secure in Christ, but fellowship broken

 

[preacher4truth]

You must not study much and or even read....Paul said to the saved, immersed church members in the churches in Galatia

For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

JESUS even spoke to this.....

The SPIRIT is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak....

You really should take a break, trust Jesus, get some knowledge and then come back and engage people.....serious......!

Well, the ironic thing is his struggle with the flesh is seen on here. Every. Single. Day. What do the Scriptures say about promising others liberty and the conclusion?

 

[serpentdove]

...[T]he one who lives in sinning has lost sight of their freedom and sin will rule their life.

Yep.

God's pretty good about making the punishment fit the crime (Is 33:1 ESV).

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Sure it does and again you miss the mark and twist it to fit your dogma....pay attention to the highlighted words and the fact that the letter was written to a CHURCH

And I, brethren, could not speak unto you asunto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Christ is the foundation
Paul, Apollos and or the Corinthian brothers ALL build on that foundation....EVERY MAN'S work will be tred by fire...my work, your work, Paul's work, Apollos' work EVERY MAN'S WORK........

Nice try.....no ceeeeegar......HOW many scriptures teach our works will be judged by GOD..........blows my mind how many twist to prove a false stance.....!

In your interpretation is this scripture speaking on salvation or rewards?

If rewards then this cannot be paralleled to a salvation debate. All this proves is a messenger who builds apon what Jesus layed as the foundation and builds up on it. His works will be tested. Teaching the word carries weight.

 

[Stephen63]

11And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Notice the word "whoever".

You will find similar words throughout the NT speaking about those who commit sins with those sin's names, as well as the whoevers that walk in obedience to Christ.

"He", "whoever", whosoever, "that man", ect. Never a named, particular person such as a "sinner", or "saint", or "christian".

Now why do you think this is?

Because, "In that day whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered, saint or sinner.

Because "whosoever" commits those of that big list of sins Paul lists several times will receive that judgment, saint or sinner.

Never in scripture does it say "the sinner that sins will be judged", as if only that particular individual will be.
Proverbs 14:21.New American Standard Bible
He who despises his neighbor sins, But happy is he who is gracious to the poor.

1 John 3:8
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New American Standard Bible
the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

John 5:4
New American Standard Bible
for an angel of the Lord went down at certain seasons into the pool and stirred up the water; whoever then first, after the stirring up of the water, stepped in was made well from whatever disease with which he was afflicted.

Mat 5:22
New American Standard Bible
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Mark8:35
New American Standard Bible
"For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it.


Mat12:32
New American Standard Bible
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven -------------------------, either in this age or in the age to come.

There is no respecter of persons with God.

 

[Ariel82]

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1 John 5:12 Greek Text Analysis

Greek Concordance: ὁ (ho) -- 2965 Occurrences

 

[Ariel82]

Top 7 Bible Verses About Saints


Hebrews 6:10 “For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do.”

Ephesians 2:18-20 “For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone.”

 

[Ariel82]

Psalm 25:8-10
Good and upright is the LORD; Therefore He instructs sinners in the way. He leads the humble in justice, And He teaches the humble His way. All the paths of the LORD are lovingkindness and truth To those who keep His covenant and His testimonies.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.

 

[limey410]

Most take sin and make it a verb every place it is used.....blind to the fact that it is a noun and and a verb and NO ONE on here has promoted a continual lifestyle of sin.....

Amen, the consequence of sin is NOT loss of salvation, the consequence of salvation is certainly less sin.

 

[Meggido]

You called me on nothing pal.....and my statement is proven within the context of the "above two verses" (post 174) which is not applicable unto the SAVED....PETER denied him 3 times.....DID he lose his salvation or repent? NO and NO.....he wen't out and wept, but not one verse states he lost anything and or was denied by Christ....and like I said in post 169 faith to faith as it is written.....maybe you should read instead of an allout assault on me with diatribe and accusations and false statements......

Such as....

DC can get away with this because he does not believe personal faith is even required for salvation<--LIE and false witness

your just getting upset because someone called you out on something you like to keep guarded about your theology<--Lie and false witness

since you adhere and cling to a counterfeit cross and a false doctrine that no personal faith is required for salvation<--Lie and false witness

All the while ignoring the 2 verses above it <---Lie and false witness

Now to answer your bloviating....

Is faith a spiritual gift? <---yes
Where does faith come from? <--God
Who deals out faith to men? <--God

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God OF or FROM INDICATES SOURCE PAL

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God That not of yourselves is GRAMATICALLY directed at the FAITH that saves PAL

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

διὰ πίστεως Χριστοῦ <---DIA PISTEOS CHRISTOU <---THROUGH FAITH OF CHRIST

ἐκ πίστεως Χριστοῦ <--EK PISTEOS CHRISTOU <--BY FAITH OF CHRIST

If you are going to engage me with ignorance and false statement and allegations don't bother, You have no clue what I believe and have done nothing but prove to all you assume much.....and yes indeed you have made the list of 7 in Proverbs 6 pal!

Your past posts make it very clear what you believe. You are just still upset someone called you out on you theology.

Justification is not salvation, we are you confusing the position of righteousness[justification] with salvation? The 2 are not the same thing.

 

[stonesoffire]

our mind doesnt change unless we Go to the gospel of Gods Kingdom. its actually what puts to death the actions, through the changing of the heart where sin is rooted in every man " the law of sin within our members" as i have said earlier, he does have good things to say, but he also negates very important things and perceives them as a bad thing, actually teaches people things that are not at all correct.

lol nawim not a thin skinned person bro, i havent fekt picked on ever so no worries there, i have had rocks thrown at me litterally because of the gospel, so disagreements on a christian forum kinda slide right off, ive been trying recently to be much more aware that others arent that way and easily take offense.

theres a difference in an imaginary new creation, and what the gospel creates in us prpared and zealous for good works, rather than teaching that good works are a bad thing. God bless you though either way

The mind of Christ. We are to think like Him. There's a scripture about that. Actually two...we have the mind of Christ..

If we have it...we can think like Him...who thought it not robbery...remember?

Also, every scripture that Paul wrote out of revelation from Jesus, we can declare as ours. Or we are. This is how we think His mind. We capture carnal thoughts...and think His. It's salvation..a process of it.

 

[Meggido]

You must not study much and or even read....Paul said to the saved, immersed church members in the churches in Galatia

For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.

JESUS even spoke to this.....

The SPIRIT is indeed willing, but the flesh is weak....

You really should take a break, trust Jesus, get some knowledge and then come back and engage people.....serious......!

look at you using 1 verse out of context to support the straw man you set up:



Gal 5.17 must be understood in context with Vs 16 & 18 which says:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.

Whats that Paul, oh if I walk by the SPirit I will not carry out what? oh yeah the desire of the flesh, even though they war against each other.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all.

Uh-oh ... Paul claims that he is foremost of all among sinners. Wonder if Paul "made it" on the scale of those who hold salvation may be lost.

Oh wait. Need to finish reading ... 1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.


Phew ... looks like Paul is safe! Thank God for His mercy and longsuffering and that those who believe on our Lord Jesus Christ believe on Him to life everlasting!

 

[UnderGrace]

It was God that sealed the door to the Ark (Genesis 6:6)... a foreshadow of His future work!

Amen!!

you need to think this out more because if we have been sealed by the Holy Spirit how can a mere human unseal what God has sealed??????????????????????????? it cannot be done................... its not that people are saying you say a prayer and are saved............. you mention the tulip in other posts so you must know what perseverence of the saints is!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stonesoffire]

Jimbo

You posted about lazybones vs workers so I posted what scripture says is lazy..

Wasn't an insult. I don't know why you took it that way.

But, if I'm on ignore...guess you'll never know.

 

[Ariel82]

Your past posts make it very clear what you believe. You are just still upset someone called you out on you theology.

Justification is not salvation, we are you confusing the position of righteousness[justification] with salvation? The 2 are not the same thing.

Justification is what causes folks to be saved. Righteousness is sanctification.

Salvation is both justification and sanctification,

 

[serpentdove]

Salvation is both justification and sanctification,

I have been saved (justification). I am being saved (sanctification). I will be saved (glorification).

 

[stonesoffire]

Scripture says we are sanctified and justified by these things...faith, grace, and the Spirit.

Righteousness is His and imputed to us.