Why Were the Jewish Feasts, Gods Feasts, Removed from Christianity.
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The physical things done in the Old Testament are spiritually done in the New Testament. The physically perfect lamb represented the spiritually perfect Lamb (of God). The physical feasts represented what the New Testament calls "love feasts", but we call them "church potlucks" or "fellowship dinners".
because they are only a foreshadowing of Jesus and what He means to us. all seven feasts are indicators of what Jesus means for believers.
Uh Huh LOL Well that won't work will it? I think it's a hard question to answer when we don't know much about the feasts.....I'm only just learning too.
OK Alice! LOL I think though that this is one ferocious rabbit. I think its an important thing to celebrate Gods feasts.
You think I don't know about the Old Testament feasts? Do you agree that the Old represented the New? "These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ." Colossians 2:17
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Because the Old Testament feasts,and physical ordinances had no bearing on spiritual salvation,but was only in place until Jesus came and gave spiritual salvation.
In the Old Testament there were the spiritual laws,moral laws,laws of love,but they could not receive the Spirit so they could not live up to those spiritual laws perfectly.
Jesus said a new commandment I give you,that you love one another as I have loved you,and love works no ill towards their neighbor,therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,and we establish the spiritual laws,moral laws,laws of love,which we can do because in the New Testament we can have the Spirit.
Love God,and love people,the 2 greatest commandments,and all the law and prophets hang on those two laws,and creation testifies that there is a God that loves people,so the world is without excuse,for that is what is all about from Adam in to eternity,love God,and love people.
Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way,nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us,that they had no bearing on spiritual salvation,but was only in place until Jesus came,because in the Old Testament they could not receive the Spirit,so let no person judge you in those physical ordinances,for you do not have to keep them,and a person that receives the Spirit is part of the body of Christ,and physical ordinances have no place in their relationship with God.
Old Testament-could not have the Spirit,could not live up to the spiritual laws perfectly,so God had them do physical ordinances that they could keep,and to be right with Him.
That is why in the millennial reign of Christ,when Jesus and the saints will rule over the people that God spared when He went against the world,they have to go up year after year to Jerusalem to worship the LORD,and keep the Old Testament feast of tabernacles,for they cannot be spiritual,and be right with God,so they have to keep the feast of tabernacles to be right with Him.
In the Old Testament since they could not be spiritual,they had to do physical ordinaces to stay right with God.
New Testament-can have the Spirit,so they are spiritual,so physical ordinances do not apply to them,for there is no benefit to keeping the physical ordinances.
The Feasts are God's Feast which represent His relationship with His people***Jews and Gentiles included***Passover represents our Salvation through Christ's blood***Pentecost represents the coming of the Spirit---in the Old Testament the Day of Pentecost was when the Law was given***The Feast of Tabernacles is when Christ returns and abides with us on Earth for 1,000 years***I could tell more about Atonement, Feast of Unleaven Bread, Feast of First Fruits, and there is one more Feast...
Well celebrate them if you want. We arnt called to because God became disgusted with them as to they became meaningless acts just as God became disgusted with sacrifices because the jewish people would do these traditions but remain in rebellion to God.
Amos 5:21-23New International Version (NIV)
21 “I hate, I despise your religious festivals;
your assemblies are a stench to me.
22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.
23 Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.
21 “I hate, I despise your religious festivals;
your assemblies are a stench to me.
22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.
23 Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.
yep they continued in abominations until they broke the covenant, and He turned His face from them. just like He said He would do when Moses died.
Are you saying that God became disgusted with something HE established and considered holy ?...it's more like God became disgusted with the PEOPLE who don't RESPECT His Word ! Why else did they get banished and dispersed - even to this day ? please read 2Kgs ch 17. Don't think that the christians and gentiles are any better than the Jews - people are people and ''basically natural and carnal in defiance of God's law/Word Rom 8v7. And because of their 'rejection they walk in 'darkness, even now !
Having said that it is quite true that we in the NT do no longer keep the 'feasts of the Lord (they were never jewish feasts) as in the OT - but now according to the SPIRIT ! and some posters have given a 'sound explanation of this. So what was 'physical once has 'spiritual implications today and should not be ignored or rejected because that would 'take away from the 'complete 'lessons we are to learn !
gG
As we read in Amos it takes both the doing and the thinking, the spirit, for the lord to hear. Both are required of us.
The feasts are given to us for our benefit. We are to celebrate them in thought word and DEED. We are to praise Him and thank Him for the salvation they tell about that has happened. The word does not tell us to celebrate with Easter or Christmas, that is men's idea. We are to learn from an celebrate the fall feasts that tell of the salvation to come.
There is a connection between our minds, our spirit, and what we do. No where does the word of God state that it is only in the spirit that we are to obey.
As we read in Amos it takes both the doing and the thinking, the spirit, for the lord to hear. Both are required of us.
The feasts are given to us for our benefit. We are to celebrate them in thought word and DEED. We are to praise Him and thank Him for the salvation they tell about that has happened. The word does not tell us to celebrate with Easter or Christmas, that is men's idea. We are to learn from an celebrate the fall feasts that tell of the salvation to come.
First of all, let us get your terminologies right. They were Hebrew Feasts or even Israeli, but not just of the one tribe.
Now, please consider this, there was no such "religion" called Judaism until after the first coming of our blessed Jesus Christ.. Israel and Judah were the theocracy as prescribed in the Torah...the true constitution of JUdah and Israel.
Since Christ, not only did Judaism arise, but also many sects under that umbrella title, just as there are many sects under the umbrella called Christianity.
From the moment our Lord, Jesus, took the first step of His ascension to the Right Hand of our Father, there has been a constant gnawing on the realities of what we should or should not believe regarding the feassts of the Jews as many call them.
Allo of the feasts, holy days, giVEN to us all by the Father are representations of what was to come, and all may be observed as legitimate holy days today, if one is so inclined to do so. Or does any one believer in our Messiah have the credentials to say definitevely that the crucifixion of the Lamb of God is not the celebration indeed of passover (pesach) for all who believe?
I get in trouble for using the name Jesus was most likely called by His Family and disciples, Yeshua. Taht is my accent in saying that neme. I like it in prayer because I KNOW what it means and what I am saying.
When I say amen in thename of Jesus, I use Yeshua which is translated as "The Salvation of Yahweh." No, no one else needs use this name, but I love to do so, and I do it with a clear conscience in the sight of the Father, Yahweh.
I am so freed, I may use the name, Jesus, God, Lord, and mroe, but I am very happy and comfortab le using the names Adon, Adoneinu, El, Eli, Ehohanu, Yahweh, Ruach Chdesh, and so many more, but I know what I am saying when I do kluse them, and I use them all in awe and wonder of our Maker, El Shaddai.
No one who believe Jesus Christ needs to learn these terms or use them if he or she is led by the Holy Spirit, but keep in mind I am led by the Holy Spirit, so unless you are willing to call Him a liar, I would accept how others are given to walk in the salvation of Yah, especially when they respect your walk with Him.
God bless all who truly believe Jesus Christ. Do not use this faith as an excuse to hate any one group of people, but do discern all sprits when sharing the Wrod for among all groups, nationalities, religions etc. are wicked people attempting to bring all down with them...
Now, please consider this, there was no such "religion" called Judaism until after the first coming of our blessed Jesus Christ.. Israel and Judah were the theocracy as prescribed in the Torah...the true constitution of JUdah and Israel.
Since Christ, not only did Judaism arise, but also many sects under that umbrella title, just as there are many sects under the umbrella called Christianity.
From the moment our Lord, Jesus, took the first step of His ascension to the Right Hand of our Father, there has been a constant gnawing on the realities of what we should or should not believe regarding the feassts of the Jews as many call them.
Allo of the feasts, holy days, giVEN to us all by the Father are representations of what was to come, and all may be observed as legitimate holy days today, if one is so inclined to do so. Or does any one believer in our Messiah have the credentials to say definitevely that the crucifixion of the Lamb of God is not the celebration indeed of passover (pesach) for all who believe?
I get in trouble for using the name Jesus was most likely called by His Family and disciples, Yeshua. Taht is my accent in saying that neme. I like it in prayer because I KNOW what it means and what I am saying.
When I say amen in thename of Jesus, I use Yeshua which is translated as "The Salvation of Yahweh." No, no one else needs use this name, but I love to do so, and I do it with a clear conscience in the sight of the Father, Yahweh.
I am so freed, I may use the name, Jesus, God, Lord, and mroe, but I am very happy and comfortab le using the names Adon, Adoneinu, El, Eli, Ehohanu, Yahweh, Ruach Chdesh, and so many more, but I know what I am saying when I do kluse them, and I use them all in awe and wonder of our Maker, El Shaddai.
No one who believe Jesus Christ needs to learn these terms or use them if he or she is led by the Holy Spirit, but keep in mind I am led by the Holy Spirit, so unless you are willing to call Him a liar, I would accept how others are given to walk in the salvation of Yah, especially when they respect your walk with Him.
God bless all who truly believe Jesus Christ. Do not use this faith as an excuse to hate any one group of people, but do discern all sprits when sharing the Wrod for among all groups, nationalities, religions etc. are wicked people attempting to bring all down with them...
Having said all the above quoted below, in a nutshell, Satan has been working to get mankind to hate all things Israel since Christ went to be in glory.
In so succeding many believers cannot discern yet between the Israel previous, the Israel today, and the Israel of God..they simply freak out when they hear or read of anyone claiming the Blood of the Lamb of God declaring we are the fellow heirs in Christ, and we belong to the Israel of God, the Commonwealth.
Do not balk untilyou prove it is not written as so in the New Testament, then you may balk, but you will not.
In so succeding many believers cannot discern yet between the Israel previous, the Israel today, and the Israel of God..they simply freak out when they hear or read of anyone claiming the Blood of the Lamb of God declaring we are the fellow heirs in Christ, and we belong to the Israel of God, the Commonwealth.
Do not balk untilyou prove it is not written as so in the New Testament, then you may balk, but you will not.
Take for instance the Feast of Tabernacles. To observe it would require an annual trip to Jerusalem, and meeting a long list of requirements that wouldn't be practical for most Christians in the world. There wouldn't likely be enough tree branches for everyone to make and dwell in stick huts. The feast calls for sacrifices by fire. That hasn't been done even by Jews during the past two millennia. In it's heyday God rejected their offerings anyway through prophecies due to the spiritual adultery of Israel.
The benefit was to and for Israel in remembrance of how God provided for the Hebrews during the exodus from Egypt, and provides celebration of the future dwelling of men and God, which was available when Jesus entered Jerusalem on the donkey. The spiritual adultery continued on, resulting in the Jews rejecting that longed-for relationship that is now make for us who believe on Jesus our Christ, having the Lord indwelling us by his holy spirit. It isn't necessary to go seek him out in Jerusalem.
Certainly Christians should have no part of hating Jewish people because simply they are Jewish.
Any sort of excuse that they were responsible for crucifying Jesus Christ needs to be called for what it is: utter bullshit!
(excuse the french but I think calling a spade a spade here is justified.)
Every single one of us are as guilty of Jesus going to the cross as if we had been there personally baying for His blood!
Rather, we should be actively engaged in loving Jewish people, as any other, in attempting to graft them back into the vine.
I have known many many Jews in my life and am proud to call them friends, colleagues, and fellow believers.
I have been humbled to bring a number to their Messiah, including one old gentleman on his deathbed.
