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So when you continue in your sins (for he does everything from henceforth), you can then blame God.
That is your gospel.
How is that a gospel?
No. Grace is an empowerment to overcome. That is what God gives us. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[SUP][a][/SUP] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
That is your gospel.
How is that a gospel?
No. Grace is an empowerment to overcome. That is what God gives us. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[SUP][a][/SUP] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
This is where being deceitful will get you a one way ticket to hell in your religion as I constantly speak of the transformation power of God's grace in the believers life if preached properly.
Your own "interpretations" has condemned yourself to hell in your religion by what you are doing.
Thank God for His grace and the finished work of Christ and even though you are doing this work of the flesh - if you died tonight - you would go to be with the Lord and one day we will all see each other for we are safe in Christ. He alone is our Savior and we are confident that He who began a good work in you will perfect until the day of Christ Jesus.
I will give it out again about God's grace in Christ so that maybe this will stop any further attempts at deception and deceitfulness.
I have said this at least over 50x times here in CC.
There are 2 aspects to grace and it can be seen in Jesus dealings with a woman caught in adultery.
The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "bible" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )
Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.
1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".
It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.
2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.
Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.
The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."
The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!
"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!
Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.
What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part.
This just drives them nuts and I understand why because it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with our religious man-made traditions and some church teachings from our denomination or "group".
Your own "interpretations" has condemned yourself to hell in your religion by what you are doing.
Thank God for His grace and the finished work of Christ and even though you are doing this work of the flesh - if you died tonight - you would go to be with the Lord and one day we will all see each other for we are safe in Christ. He alone is our Savior and we are confident that He who began a good work in you will perfect until the day of Christ Jesus.
I will give it out again about God's grace in Christ so that maybe this will stop any further attempts at deception and deceitfulness.
I have said this at least over 50x times here in CC.
There are 2 aspects to grace and it can be seen in Jesus dealings with a woman caught in adultery.
The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "bible" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )
Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.
1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".
It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.
2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.
Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.
The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."
The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!
"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!
Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.
What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part.
This just drives them nuts and I understand why because it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with our religious man-made traditions and some church teachings from our denomination or "group".
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Did you read Ezekiel 36:27 (referred to in the post)?
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
That is what God does --- cause [us] to walk in [His] statutes.
More replacing words of Scripture by you when you make foolish suggestions such as "So when you continue in your sins (for he does everything from henceforth), you can then blame God." Totally not what God's Word says.
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
That is what God does --- cause [us] to walk in [His] statutes.
More replacing words of Scripture by you when you make foolish suggestions such as "So when you continue in your sins (for he does everything from henceforth), you can then blame God." Totally not what God's Word says.
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Colossians 1:21-23
And you that were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight If {GREEK: Ei = conditional conjunction} ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister
And you that were once alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight If {GREEK: Ei = conditional conjunction} ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister
See, this is what you do, and is how you slander others. Look at it: just as you cannot discern between prescriptive and descriptive texts you cannot stay on track here either and have gone off subject and are falsely accusing me of things I've never stated nor were they even implied.
The subject and matter of the post I've given gives all the glory to God in our good works and showed the power of God in salvation in the text given you.
You cannot see it, you don't want to see it, you want to accuse others instead as you've done above.
You've twisted all that good Word, the Glory to God alone into someone saying they blame God for their sin when none of that is there.
Frankly, you're lying and that is a fact. You should man up and apologize.
Like I said, you perpetually conflate things, and you've done it again. You need to learn to respect others and put an end to fabricating their beliefs into what you want to hear. You're bearing false witness on me at this point, and I cannot respect your dishonesty and false accusdations.
The subject and matter of the post I've given gives all the glory to God in our good works and showed the power of God in salvation in the text given you.
You cannot see it, you don't want to see it, you want to accuse others instead as you've done above.
You've twisted all that good Word, the Glory to God alone into someone saying they blame God for their sin when none of that is there.
Frankly, you're lying and that is a fact. You should man up and apologize.
Like I said, you perpetually conflate things, and you've done it again. You need to learn to respect others and put an end to fabricating their beliefs into what you want to hear. You're bearing false witness on me at this point, and I cannot respect your dishonesty and false accusdations.
And this warning:
2 Peter 3
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[SUP][b][/SUP] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; [SUP]15 [/SUP]and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—
More works based you would say.
You are aggrieved at these plain scriptures. Which are plain for all to see.
So I come back to these questions:
1) Who obeys? You or the Lord?
2) If you say "You" - then others say this is works
3) If you say "The Lord" - then how can the Lord judge?
So look at your Ezekiel 36v27 again. In light of the above.
2 Peter 3
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[SUP][b][/SUP] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, [SUP]12 [/SUP]looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? [SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; [SUP]15 [/SUP]and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—
More works based you would say.
You are aggrieved at these plain scriptures. Which are plain for all to see.
So I come back to these questions:
1) Who obeys? You or the Lord?
2) If you say "You" - then others say this is works
3) If you say "The Lord" - then how can the Lord judge?
So look at your Ezekiel 36v27 again. In light of the above.
Our hope is certain in Christ because being in the faith is determined as fulfilled.
There are a lot of times in the original Greek the "if" is actually a statement of it is determined as fulfilled.....the word "since" is a better way to describe this usage when it is used with "ge".
Ei is combined with "ge" which means " in fact and indeed"
1479. [FONT="Galatia Sil" !important]εἰ [FONT="Gentium" !important]ei[/FONT] conj
If, since.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Delta-Epsilon.
It is called "a condition of the first class"..... Colossians 1:23 is a prime example:
Colossians 1:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.
If so be that ye continue in the faith (ei ge epimenete tēi pistei).
Condition of the first class (determined as fulfilled),
Word Pictures in the New Testament. A. T. Robertson Greek Scholar
Here is an example....you are going to the bank..and I say to you.... "If" you are going to be at the bank ( determined as already fulfilled )...you will have the $100 bucks you owe me.
I'll take a check too...
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All religions - including the religion of Christianity ( as there is a religion like this that tries to mimic the life of Christ ) - are really manifesting that they are eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which has been set lose in this earth by Adam's transgression.
They are basing their life on what they do or don't do. They are attempting to establish their own righteousness by what they do or don't do. Good works are an example of this.
We see the "descriptions" in the words and actions of Jesus and in the epistles of what the true Christian life looks like when Christ's life and His fruit are being manifested. The religion of Christianity then takes these "descriptions" and tries to "dictate" to the believers the life of Christ or the fruit of the Spirit into being.
In essence they are trying to mimic or duplicate the life and fruit of Christ and at the same time "demanding" that others do the same thing or else they are not saved and they go to hell - such as this false doctrine of losing your salvation - Christ alone is our Savior.
The true Christian life is Christ Himself joined as one spirit with us manifesting His love, His grace, His life in and through us. It is His fruit - without Him we can do nothing.
All works-based - works-righteousness belief systems ( including the religion of Christianity ) have this as their core essence and it really nullifies the true grace of God from operating in our lives like it should.
This is the "why" behind when people say we must do "good works". That is what the fruit brings behind the work-for-salvation mindset and to maintain and create righteousness.
The reality is - as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror - we are transformed by the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ will manifest itself in the doing of good works as the fruit of being in union with Him. Without Him - we can do nothing.
We do good works because it is a fruit of being in union with Christ. Preach and teach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and Christians will have the proper nutrients to walk out what already is within them - which is Christ in us - the hope of glory.
They are basing their life on what they do or don't do. They are attempting to establish their own righteousness by what they do or don't do. Good works are an example of this.
We see the "descriptions" in the words and actions of Jesus and in the epistles of what the true Christian life looks like when Christ's life and His fruit are being manifested. The religion of Christianity then takes these "descriptions" and tries to "dictate" to the believers the life of Christ or the fruit of the Spirit into being.
In essence they are trying to mimic or duplicate the life and fruit of Christ and at the same time "demanding" that others do the same thing or else they are not saved and they go to hell - such as this false doctrine of losing your salvation - Christ alone is our Savior.
The true Christian life is Christ Himself joined as one spirit with us manifesting His love, His grace, His life in and through us. It is His fruit - without Him we can do nothing.
All works-based - works-righteousness belief systems ( including the religion of Christianity ) have this as their core essence and it really nullifies the true grace of God from operating in our lives like it should.
This is the "why" behind when people say we must do "good works". That is what the fruit brings behind the work-for-salvation mindset and to maintain and create righteousness.
The reality is - as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror - we are transformed by the Holy Spirit and the life of Christ will manifest itself in the doing of good works as the fruit of being in union with Him. Without Him - we can do nothing.
We do good works because it is a fruit of being in union with Christ. Preach and teach the love and grace of God in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and Christians will have the proper nutrients to walk out what already is within them - which is Christ in us - the hope of glory.
Our hope is certain in Christ because being in the faith is determined as fulfilled.
There are a lot of times in the original Greek the "if" is actually a statement of it is determined as fulfilled.....the word "since" is a better way to describe this usage when it is used with "ge".
Ei is combined with "ge" which means " in fact and indeed"
1479. [FONT="]εἰ [FONT="]ei[/FONT] conj
If, since.
Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary, The - The Complete Biblical Library Greek-English Dictionary – Delta-Epsilon.
It is called "a condition of the first class"..... Colossians 1:23 is a prime example:
Colossians 1:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.
If so be that ye continue in the faith (ei ge epimenete tēi pistei).
Condition of the first class (determined as fulfilled),
Word Pictures in the New Testament. A. T. Robertson Greek Scholar
Here is an example....you are going to the bank..and I say to you.... "If" you are going to be at the bank ( determined as already fulfilled )...you will have the $100 bucks you owe me.
I'll take a check too...
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It's the same with the Colossians passage. A very strong assumption (i.e. the "indeed") doesn't rob the statement of the "if" condition that must still be met in reality.
2 Peter 3
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
who is Peter talking to? Who is he instructing? The Lord or the Church?
Reneweddaybyday feel free to answer
G777 feel free to answer
P4T feel free to answer.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,
who is Peter talking to? Who is he instructing? The Lord or the Church?
Reneweddaybyday feel free to answer
G777 feel free to answer
P4T feel free to answer.
People can faint in their minds and this distorts their view of God, themselves and others it comes from having a distorted view of the gospel and from bad teaching such as IMO - this whole lose your salvation doctrine which to me is a complete denial of the work of Christ on the cross and resurrection.
I believe a lot of sincere believers have left the church ( not Jesus ) because they could not live this religious "sinless perfection in the flesh" Christian life that was being preached to them by some people or because they don't know how to walk by the spirit yet - the flesh is ruining their lives.
They loved Jesus " in their heart" but they didn't want to be a hypocrite so they backed away from the organized church.
Then there is the group that struggled with a certain sin and were never taught about grace properly and so they left because they were defeated. Constantly feeling condemned and guilty and full of shame. The legalists keep preaching at them to change!
The only change that is effective is from the true manifestation of the life of Jesus that is already in us - in our new creation and that only comes with the message of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
I believe there are thousands of Christians like this but I also believe the Lord is bringing them back to Him - only this time it will be based on the true knowledge of Him and His love and grace for them.
The Lord is bringing His beloved back to Him. Let's not have the judgmental works-based older brother who doesn't know the heart and true nature of the Father to meet them at the door of our churches instead of having the Father meet them.
I believe in preaching the love and grace of God in Christ so that believers will have the proper nutrients to grow up in Christ.
We need to build the firm foundation in Him first before we bring on the warning scriptures because we can speak of them in the wrong light and if we are not built on the foundation of Christ Himself and His finished work on the cross - it can cause us to become ship-wrecked.
Speaking the warning scriptures to those with that firm foundation in Christ is needed and they should be heeded and then they become a blessing to us and keep us centered on Christ and His life and not on the flesh with it's deceitfulness.
Walk by the flesh in this life and we will bring destruction of some sort in all our lives - from living a homosexual lifestyle to outbursts of anger, to malice, to envy, being deceitful, to the slandering of others in the body of Christ. They are all in the same lists together.
Let's preach and teach the love and grace of God so that believers will have the proper nutrients so that we can grow up in Christ.Then the warning scriptures will have their true place in the believers life.
I believe a lot of sincere believers have left the church ( not Jesus ) because they could not live this religious "sinless perfection in the flesh" Christian life that was being preached to them by some people or because they don't know how to walk by the spirit yet - the flesh is ruining their lives.
They loved Jesus " in their heart" but they didn't want to be a hypocrite so they backed away from the organized church.
Then there is the group that struggled with a certain sin and were never taught about grace properly and so they left because they were defeated. Constantly feeling condemned and guilty and full of shame. The legalists keep preaching at them to change!
The only change that is effective is from the true manifestation of the life of Jesus that is already in us - in our new creation and that only comes with the message of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
I believe there are thousands of Christians like this but I also believe the Lord is bringing them back to Him - only this time it will be based on the true knowledge of Him and His love and grace for them.
The Lord is bringing His beloved back to Him. Let's not have the judgmental works-based older brother who doesn't know the heart and true nature of the Father to meet them at the door of our churches instead of having the Father meet them.
I believe in preaching the love and grace of God in Christ so that believers will have the proper nutrients to grow up in Christ.
We need to build the firm foundation in Him first before we bring on the warning scriptures because we can speak of them in the wrong light and if we are not built on the foundation of Christ Himself and His finished work on the cross - it can cause us to become ship-wrecked.
Speaking the warning scriptures to those with that firm foundation in Christ is needed and they should be heeded and then they become a blessing to us and keep us centered on Christ and His life and not on the flesh with it's deceitfulness.
Walk by the flesh in this life and we will bring destruction of some sort in all our lives - from living a homosexual lifestyle to outbursts of anger, to malice, to envy, being deceitful, to the slandering of others in the body of Christ. They are all in the same lists together.
Let's preach and teach the love and grace of God so that believers will have the proper nutrients so that we can grow up in Christ.Then the warning scriptures will have their true place in the believers life.
Titus 3 v.6-whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ OUR SAVIOR,
see these little marks at the end of these verses?? they are called comas, which means the sentence continues. so, you just proved either you do not know this, or you do not care, you just think you are right ( not ), no matter what the Bible actually says and means.
see these little marks at the end of these verses?? they are called comas, which means the sentence continues. so, you just proved either you do not know this, or you do not care, you just think you are right ( not ), no matter what the Bible actually says and means.