Grace 101

[Chris1975]

Titus 3 v.6-whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ OUR SAVIOR,

see these little marks at the end of these verses?? they are called comas, which means the sentence continues. so, you just proved either you do not know this, or you do not care, you just think you are right ( not ), no matter what the Bible actually says and means.

You don't understand. Without the role of the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. That is clear in the verse.

 

[Chris1975]

Walk by the flesh in this life and we will bring destruction of some sort in all our lives - from living a homosexual lifestyle to outbursts of anger, to malice, to envy, being deceitful, to the slandering of others in the body of Christ. They are all in the same lists together.

Walk by the flesh and it will not only affect this life, but your eternal life too.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. [SUP]8 [/SUP]So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[SUP][c][/SUP] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders,[SUP][d][/SUP] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your line of reasoning is distorted

Grace is not salvation, there was grace before the new covenant in the old testament.

Salvation is the gift imparted to us because of our personal belief in what Jesus has accomplished. The Gift is salvation because we have been declared Justified by the work of Christ Jesus.

Romans 6:23--the gift of God is eternal life

Show me a scripture where God takes the Gift (eternal life) back making it uneternal?

MAKE no mistake......he can lose his salvation, and then has worked to gain it back or keep it......obviously SALVATION cannot be lost nor forfeit....no matter how many scriptures get twisted and or denied....VERB tense, context and the very verbiage of the bible teaches the eternal security found in Christ....

workers for....lose, gain, lose, gin, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gin, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gin, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gin, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gin, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain, lose, gain salvation over and over and over.....

BECAUSE sin causes one to lose it and works must be done or maintained to keep it..............The hope they exercise is like buying a lottery ticket and they HOPE they get the PRIZE at the end......ZERO hope in their message!

 

[dcontroversal]

God's grace that brings salvation. It is a person that teaches us.



I do not retract my statement. The grace of God is GOD acting in grace. GOD is our teacher. You may continue in ignorance if you desire.
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Well you know, You have to actually know Jesus to understand his word........just saying........................except a man be born again....!

 

[Grace777x70]

Walk by the flesh and it will not only affect this life, but your eternal life too.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. [SUP]8 [/SUP]So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors—not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[SUP][c][/SUP] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, [SUP]21 [/SUP]envy, murders,[SUP][d][/SUP] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

This has been addressed by many others - many times.

Here is a thread that speaks to what does it mean to "inherit the kingdom" inherit means "to share in, obtain."

Worry in this life and you will not "share in the inheritance that is ours in what the kingdom of God has given us - Jesus gave us His peace." Peace is a sign of the kingdom of God operating in our lives.

So, if we worry - does that send us to hell because we didn't experience our inheritance that is ours in this life? Of course not. It's religious nonsense.

Here is a thread that looks at the "works of the flesh" in the light of Christ's work of grace on the cross and resurrection.

Gal 5 says "and things like these" as it lists some works of the flesh - If our eternal destination was determined by the works of the flesh - then if would be important to know just what "things like these are". But our eternal destination is dependent on Christ's work of grace.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...e-what-does-mean-does-heaven-hell-depend.html

 

[dcontroversal]

I do not believe we can lose faith if faith is not exercised.


I do believe faith can remain weak if it is not exercised, but i do not believe faith becomes non-existent.

Especially since the source of our faith IS CHRIST himself...the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith.........their JESUS is weak and cannot finish what he started....MY JESUS promises to finish what he started and to NEVER leave NOR forsake me!

 

[oldethennew]

our Saviour looks from the border of Paradise and offers much Godly advice,
it would be nice if we all took heed...

God knows which of us will show our devotion by giving-up our
old-worldly-ways...we cannot be free from bondage until we do such,
for God's Holy Spirit won't touch an un-repentant heart...

 

[preacher4truth]

Everyone take notice: Chris1975 goes ahead and lies about what I've said, is called on it, and won't own it, just skips it over.

While telling you all how to do good things to get to heaven, he lies about others. Quite ironic, isn't it?

See, this is what you do, and is how you slander others. Look at it: just as you cannot discern between prescriptive and descriptive texts you cannot stay on track here either and have gone off subject and are falsely accusing me of things I've never stated nor were they even implied.

The subject and matter of the post I've given gives all the glory to God in our good works and showed the power of God in salvation in the text given you.

You cannot see it, you don't want to see it, you want to accuse others instead as you've done above.

You've twisted all that good Word, the Glory to God alone into someone saying they blame God for their sin when none of that is there.

Frankly, you're lying and that is a fact. You should man up and apologize.

Like I said, you perpetually conflate things, and you've done it again. You need to learn to respect others and put an end to fabricating their beliefs into what you want to hear. You're bearing false witness on me at this point, and I cannot respect your dishonesty and false accusdations.

 

[gb9]

add to this list the clear denial and attempt to change the meaning of Titus 3.

for these people who claim to not sin, that one has to be totally righteous to get to Heaven, they sure are careless about the God's written word. personally, I fear the Lord God, and do not want to face his judgement, so I dare not do anything to try to change the meaning of his Word, but I guess that's just me.................

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

God's grace that brings salvation. It is a person that teaches us.

I do not retract my statement. The grace of God is GOD acting in grace. GOD is our teacher. You may continue in ignorance if you desire.

Well you know, You have to actually know Jesus to understand his word........just saying........................except a man be born again....!

Is this not God's grace in action?

 

[valiant]

2 Peter 3

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,


who is Peter talking to? Who is he instructing? The Lord or the Church?

Peter is telling us what we ought to be in view of the fact that material things will be burned up.

But he is doing it in the basis that we are already His. The salvation that makes it possible is assumed.

You seem to ignore God's salvation, and make us do it all.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

2 Peter 3

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,


who is Peter talking to? Who is he instructing? The Lord or the Church?

Reneweddaybyday feel free to answer

Is it your assertion that, because I rely on my Father God and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (more than myself) to keep me from falling, I do not follow the instruction of 2 Peter 3:11?

Honestly, Chris1975, I have no idea what problem you have with those of us who choose to rely on God more than our own selves to keep us safe.

For the umpteenth time, we all believe we are to conduct our lives in light of the good works which God has ordained we are to walk in (Eph 2:10).

We just do not depend on our good works for salvation. We rely on God Who has sealed us with His Holy Spirit of promise until the redemption of the purchased possession (Eph 1:14).

 

[valiant]

You don't understand. Without the role of the Holy Spirit there is no salvation. That is clear in the verse.

But the Holy Spirit's action is the result of our salvation, not the cause of it. God justifies, then He sends the Holy Spirit to change our lives as a consquence..

 

[BeyondET]

our Saviour looks from the border of Paradise and offers much Godly advice,
it would be nice if we all took heed...

God knows which of us will show our devotion by giving-up our
old-worldly-ways...we cannot be free from bondage until we do such,
for God's Holy Spirit won't touch an un-repentant heart...

Sure about that won't touch an un-repentant heart, Paul was hell bent on destroying the Christian movement.

 

[Meggido]

Is it your assertion that, because I rely on my Father God and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (more than myself) to keep me from falling, I do not follow the instruction of 2 Peter 3:11?

Honestly, Chris1975, I have no idea what problem you have with those of us who choose to rely on God more than our own selves to keep us safe.

For the umpteenth time, we all believe we are to conduct our lives in light of the good works which God has ordained we are to walk in (Eph 2:10).

We just do not depend on our good works for salvation. We rely on God Who has sealed us with His Holy Spirit of promise until the redemption of the purchased possession (Eph 1:14).

YES OR NO

Has God always and now a covenant God?

I cannot find anywhere in the Bible where God simply said, he would do it all for us.

I do find the Bible shows us everywhere, that there is a God part and man part and Predicated upon:

God will......if Man does

Even under the new Covenant we must exercise personal faith to believe in what Jesus Did, that is our part< Jesus did his part and paid it all for us.

You and others seem to think that ongoing sanctification means you can sit back and not do a thing and it is God doing it all. I think this is where the sides become muddled with each other.

 

[oldethennew]

Sure about that won't touch an un-repentant heart, Paul was hell bent on destroying the Christian movement.

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Paul was certainly in his sins when God called him, but from his many writings,
it is clear that he had a 'repentant' heart, for he himself says, 'that God leads to repentance'...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

You and others seem to think that ongoing sanctification means you can sit back and not do a thing and it is God doing it all. I think this is where the sides become muddled with each other.

Why do you insist that I "sit back and not do a thing"?

How many times have I posted that we all agree we are to walk in light of the good works which God has ordained we are to walk in?

Just because I rely on Father to safeguard life everlasting does not mean I do not follow His instructions in His Word. C'mon Meggido, you're grasping at straws if you think your good works are what keep you safe.

 

[oldethennew]

ROMANS 2:6-7-10-11.
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality,
eternal life:

But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first,
and also to the Gentile:

For there is no respect of persons with God.

not the whole picture, but certainly a very important 'piece of the puzzle'...

 

[Chris1975]

YES OR NO

Has God always and now a covenant God?

I cannot find anywhere in the Bible where God simply said, he would do it all for us.

I do find the Bible shows us everywhere, that there is a God part and man part and Predicated upon:

God will......if Man does

Even under the new Covenant we must exercise personal faith to believe in what Jesus Did, that is our part< Jesus did his part and paid it all for us.

You and others seem to think that ongoing sanctification means you can sit back and not do a thing and it is God doing it all. I think this is where the sides become muddled with each other.

Exactly ^^^^

 

[BeyondET]

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Paul was certainly in his sins when God called him, but from his many writings,
it is clear that he had a 'repentant' heart, for he himself says, 'that God leads to repentance'...

Indeed thus was a person with a un-repentant heart, converted to a repentant heart because God intervene on the road to Damascus. Paul wasn't in the middle or beginning stage of a repentance, that was the farthest thing on his mind.

similier to the talking donkey.