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1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
Can we all agree that we all work together with God?
God gives us instruction and we follow the instruction because we all love Him and want to please our Father.
I am tired of those who keep insisting that I sit back and do nothing because I rely on God to keep me from falling.
Even when we do stumble, it's because we did not take the escape offered to us by our loving, Heavenly Father:
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Who is faithful? God
Who will not allow us to be tempted above that which we are able to bear? God
Who makes a way to escape temptation? God
Who fails? Man
Can we all agree that we all work together with God?
God gives us instruction and we follow the instruction because we all love Him and want to please our Father.
I am tired of those who keep insisting that I sit back and do nothing because I rely on God to keep me from falling.
Even when we do stumble, it's because we did not take the escape offered to us by our loving, Heavenly Father:
1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
Who is faithful? God
Who will not allow us to be tempted above that which we are able to bear? God
Who makes a way to escape temptation? God
Who fails? Man
I havent lied about what you have said.
My question was -- who denys ungodliness and worldly lusts?
Your answer was -- its all God.
My response:
So when you continue in your sins (for he does everything from henceforth), you can then blame God.
That is your gospel.
How is that a gospel?
The question still stands.
God calls you to obedience. God empowers you to obey through His grace.
However you still make the choice. If you choose the flesh you will die.
Your doctrine is faulty.
My question was -- who denys ungodliness and worldly lusts?
Your answer was -- its all God.
My response:
So when you continue in your sins (for he does everything from henceforth), you can then blame God.
That is your gospel.
How is that a gospel?
The question still stands.
God calls you to obedience. God empowers you to obey through His grace.
However you still make the choice. If you choose the flesh you will die.
Your doctrine is faulty.
Nooooo, Actually saying you can lose salvation and or do something to keep it or gain it is the faulty dogma which does not even qualify as doctrine......and what he stated about you is true....You have done it to me on more than one occasion as well as others.....face it.....you cannot even meet your own standards, much less the standards of God........
Plenteous in NUMBER......<---what they espouse you espouse and push........just own it and agree as it is obvious.....
Plenteous in NUMBER......<---what they espouse you espouse and push........just own it and agree as it is obvious.....
Once you are a believer, you don't lose salvation at the point of sinning. God is merciful, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance. Salvation is lost at the judgement when you have not forsaken your sins, and willfully chosen the way of the flesh over the Spirit.
You haven't overcome. You have been once again entangled.
But you cant see that. I pity you.
You haven't overcome. You have been once again entangled.
But you cant see that. I pity you.
There is no falling away and losing salvation and my post stands....JESUS is the BEGINNER and FINISHER of our faith, HE promised to COMPLETE that which he started and NEVER leave nor forsake us...
Your lying dogma would have me believe and say that JESUS cannot FINISH what he started, that JESUS cannot KEEP his promise
SO...either your a deceiver who has it wrong or JESUS is a liar, weak and a fraud.....
The choice is obvious......and JESUS is both LORD, CHRIST and GOD and will do the above referenced actions...START, FINISH, KEEP, RAISE, COMPLETE and NEVER leave me nor forsake me......
Pity yourself pal....your the one who needs it! ALONG with sight and a spiritually enlightened mind!
Your lying dogma would have me believe and say that JESUS cannot FINISH what he started, that JESUS cannot KEEP his promise
SO...either your a deceiver who has it wrong or JESUS is a liar, weak and a fraud.....
The choice is obvious......and JESUS is both LORD, CHRIST and GOD and will do the above referenced actions...START, FINISH, KEEP, RAISE, COMPLETE and NEVER leave me nor forsake me......
Pity yourself pal....your the one who needs it! ALONG with sight and a spiritually enlightened mind!
You are the one who has fallen away when you infer that Phil 2:13 (for it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure) means God is to blame if/when we sin.
You need time with Father. Ask Him to sort all this out for you. He promises to keep us and He is faithful to do that which He has assured us He will do. Out of our deep love and devotion to Father, we do our best to follow His instructions. Sometimes we are not so successful. But that does not mean Father then abandons us. I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, you would never treat your child the way you accuse Father of treating us.
You need time with Father. Ask Him to sort all this out for you. He promises to keep us and He is faithful to do that which He has assured us He will do. Out of our deep love and devotion to Father, we do our best to follow His instructions. Sometimes we are not so successful. But that does not mean Father then abandons us. I don't know if you have any children, but if you do, you would never treat your child the way you accuse Father of treating us.
Hi Chris.
I am glad you say that you don't lose salvation at the point of sinning. I've heard a few believers say that if Jesus came back and you were committing a sin then sorry but your in hell.
I am not sure what you mean by salvation is lost when you have not forsaken your sins and wilfully chosen the way of the flesh over the spirit.
My first confusion is 'Sins" Does that not encompass everything in us that is contrary to the Spirit?
So can we overcome all these sins?
Does not one act of our sin mean that we have wilfully chosen the way of the flesh?
What does it mean to foresake our sins?
At what point would you consider we have overcome our sins and what does it mean to not overcome our sins?
I think all of us have something in our lives which is a bug bear. We may have many bug bears as such.
If we come before God and acknowledge them and ask for help then that means we want help.
We trust God to help us, yet we may not be fully free of them until Jesus comes back.
So have we not truly forsaken them?
Do you think to forsake means to be completely free or does it mean to say to God "I don't want this stuff in my life?
Trust me I am not trying to trip you up here.
I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.
I am glad you say that you don't lose salvation at the point of sinning. I've heard a few believers say that if Jesus came back and you were committing a sin then sorry but your in hell.
I am not sure what you mean by salvation is lost when you have not forsaken your sins and wilfully chosen the way of the flesh over the spirit.
My first confusion is 'Sins" Does that not encompass everything in us that is contrary to the Spirit?
So can we overcome all these sins?
Does not one act of our sin mean that we have wilfully chosen the way of the flesh?
What does it mean to foresake our sins?
At what point would you consider we have overcome our sins and what does it mean to not overcome our sins?
I think all of us have something in our lives which is a bug bear. We may have many bug bears as such.
If we come before God and acknowledge them and ask for help then that means we want help.
We trust God to help us, yet we may not be fully free of them until Jesus comes back.
So have we not truly forsaken them?
Do you think to forsake means to be completely free or does it mean to say to God "I don't want this stuff in my life?
Trust me I am not trying to trip you up here.
I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.
2 Thessalonians 1
[SUP]6 [/SUP]since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, [SUP]8 [/SUP]in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, [SUP]10 [/SUP]when He comes, in that Day,
Two types of people the Lord will take vengeance on:
- those who don't know God (unbelievers)
- those who do not obey the Gospel of God (those who claim faith in the Lord but yet live in disobedience)
The end is hell (v10)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, [SUP]7 [/SUP]and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, [SUP]8 [/SUP]in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]9 [/SUP]These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, [SUP]10 [/SUP]when He comes, in that Day,
Two types of people the Lord will take vengeance on:
- those who don't know God (unbelievers)
- those who do not obey the Gospel of God (those who claim faith in the Lord but yet live in disobedience)
The end is hell (v10)
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In very simple terms it boils down to "Conscience". Do you have a clean conscience before the Lord.
Anyone living in a continual state of watching porn regularly for example, or someone who lives in a state of unforgiveness towards a brother --- just two examples --- these cannot come to the Lord with a clean conscience.
When Adam and Eve sinned, and ate from the tree of good and evil, their consciences were birthed (con- with; science - knowledge). Only the blood of Jesus can truly cleanse our consciences (Hebrews).
If we are serving the flesh, our consciences testify against us. That is why it is so important to respond to the leading of the Holy Spirit when He is working with you on a matter that is displeasing, and your response is to forsake these sins. Ask forgiveness, have a change of heart, and leave them behind. And His blood washes you clean. You are then in right-standing with the Lord. And should He return at any moment, your conscience testifies that you are innocent before Him.
In very simple terms it boils down to "Conscience". Do you have a clean conscience before the Lord.
Anyone living in a continual state of watching porn regularly for example, or someone who lives in a state of unforgiveness towards a brother --- just two examples --- these cannot come to the Lord with a clean conscience.
When Adam and Eve sinned, and ate from the tree of good and evil, their consciences were birthed (con- with; science - knowledge). Only the blood of Jesus can truly cleanse our consciences (Hebrews).
If we are serving the flesh, our consciences testify against us. That is why it is so important to respond to the leading of the Holy Spirit when He is working with you on a matter that is displeasing, and your response is to forsake these sins. Ask forgiveness, have a change of heart, and leave them behind. And His blood washes you clean. You are then in right-standing with the Lord. And should He return at any moment, your conscience testifies that you are innocent before Him.
This morning I was reminded of Psalm 91 and as I re-read the Psalm, verse 11 stood out to me:
Psalm 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
And how about verse 15: He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
This is OT reality. Does God do less under new covenant?
Psalm 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
And how about verse 15: He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
This is OT reality. Does God do less under new covenant?