The holy spirit

[JIMBO43]

Thank you for your expressions. I was obviously mistaken as to the seriousness
of your state and condition.

Now in reality not all approaches work, but real health is measured by the openness
to investigate different alternatives that have real validity.

Now if you knew the real level of mental illness in our society which is aleviated through
drugs and counselling, you would not talk about it being deluded.

I was calling what you are saying deluded and not calling you deluded personaly.

Years ago if you had serious distress you just went to a hospital which was simply chaotic.
Today people live mainly in the community and have some functional lives and interactions.

I would hope and pray you have the capability to acknowledge this good contribution medicine
has played, and continues to play. There are a lot of teenagers who now would no longer be
alive without such medication.

But maybe you would rather people were dead and needing imprisonment to protect the rest
of society.

And my friend, I am sorry you see bad things in saying God bless you, because there is no
harm intended only blessing, Amen

Oh ok that clears up the God blesses but quite often you say God bless to some one right after a wild accusation..

Lets look at your knowledge about mental illness as you put it.

Mental illness is labelled in so may ways by the doctors from bi polar to skitzephrenia to depression to personality disorder all tho this doesnt mean you have a bad personality. to p t s d to inferiority complex to phobias the list is endless..

This so called great mental health organistain has only just discovered that a fast majority of theese patients have been given the wrong medication all there lifes coz they have discovered that a simple illness like inflamation of the bowel can cause depression.. it turns out that many patients now suffering from depression simply need regular anti inflamortaries to cure there depression and not heavy anti depression tablets that make people have all sorts of herendous side effects..

Inflamation of the bowls has now been proven to upset the chemical balance in your brain (only just discovered).


Lets look at all the other wrong diognosis from the mental healt... a normal person not a believer cant undestand why there hearing voices or seeing things,,, unbe known to the patient now in a mental healt hospital is being tortured by evil spirits..

The doctors diognose him with a phycosis and give him tablets that are very powerful that make him see things he wouldnt normally see.. theese tablets do have theese effect on people..

So they lower the dos,,, that doesnt work....

They then try some other tablet and mess about with the tablets there up and down with the dosage.. that doest work..

They then scratch there heads after six months and say lets try him on some anti depression tablets...

The truth is they havent got the money to perform brain scans for signs of chemical inbalences and they can only diognose dementure from brain scans and none of the other mental illnessess i have mentioned..

Many people end up taking there life and want to commit suciside from the herendous side effects they have suffered from the wrong medication they where given...

Are you following along upto now ?.

Many of the patients if not 90 percent are given medication on the basis of what they have told the shrink no brain scan or nothing.. its a trial on error stragedy for the doctors on all there patients..

The mental healt doctors get payed vasts amount of money for regular meeting with there new patient who are now more phycotic dew to there medication..

So patient one comes in Doctor im hearing voices,,, doctor says and thinks phycosis... he say here try theese.. 2 weeks later patient is a zombie... brain dead.. and his demons are now in more control coz patient cant control his thoughts as much coz of lack of control he has now due to medication..

In some case i tell you that there are success stories but they are few and far between i have seen doctors and none of them have many success stories to tell.. instead when i told them a good story they have said to me.. lets hope you may be a success story i dont get many..

Theese patients are ignored in hospital too they might get a quick ten minutes from a doctor here and there but the main reason there in hospital is so they can be watched and not treated... (monitored) stable enough untill they can be released so they dont try suciside again.. and the vast majority of theese patients who feel like commiting siciside even more than they did befor because of the horrible side effects of theese tablets give to people.. will be kicked out of hospital as soon as possible.. to free up beds..


You however may be a success story peter as i kinda suspect that you have some sought of experince with mental healt your self ? (am i wrong) You do seem quite irrational at times are you on meds too ?

I had doctors try me on at least 15 diffrent tablet and probably 50 diffrent dosages and none of them worked a part from one at a small dose that helped my depression but that came at a price of months and months of agony.. many patients dont make it and take there own life..

This is the horrors of outr mental health structure.

The doctors really havent Got a clue for most part and wrongly diognose people all the time..

You seem to think peter that your education of all this is full proof and cant be wrong and im telling you that more knowledge of satans ways and his ways is the cause of most peoples mental health.. you and your doctors would say diffrent..

 

[oldethennew]

Hi Jimbo...Your writing here touched my heart so much...One day when you are in heaven with the LORD our Savior, these days on earth will be remembered no more...Considering what you have shared here, i can feel your tender heart through the words of your awful start in life, Praise God for your tenderness, it proves Gods love shines on you, and others who have suffered in extreme starts to life...You are an inspiration to many through what you have shared here, i did scroll past your post and went on to read other post, but i was drawn back to write my comment to you...Keep on keeping on, God is the ALL knowing and ALL seeing God, He knows when we sit and when we stand...May our glorious Faithful Father continue to bless you...In Jesus name i pray Amen...xox...[/QUOTE
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Rose,

kudos for having such a kind and understanding heart - like the scripture says,
EPH. 4:32.
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[JIMBO43]

I thought maybe that the symbol was a distortion of light until I googled. Wish I hadn't.

Looking at the history of the symbol though...it may of started out innocently..not sure, but since a stigma is associated with it, Hillsong should not have it on stage.

I hope our money is innocent but the new world order is infiltration.

The symbol was not an eye lol it was an egyption phero.. lol i think stephen sounded his horn to quickly

 

[oldethennew]

sometimes we can get so caught-up-in expressing and analysis of what is around us,
and it is so very sad, and yes, we are 'both' guilty' of doing such in our past', but,
the price that we pay is that we neglect to see the analysis of God through
His eyes...

 

[JIMBO43]

Ok guys. Maybe you are a little thick or just want to live in fairy land.

The whole psychiatric profession exists because part of our social experience is
various mental illnesses. There have been strategies over the years to deal with
the biological and developmental effects of these conditions.

Now amongst all this the Lord works, healing, restoring, making mature and whole
men and women of God, built on the firm foundation of Jesus and His commands.

Now if you have had dealings with people who have flaws in who they are which
result from trauma, or genetics or some unknown cause they often go into total
denial, continually fight their medication, because rather than seeing this as a help
with a physical weakness, they see it as a criticism of who they are.

It is said 25% of people will have a serious episode with emotional mental breakdown
in their lives, so this is no minor, sweep under the carpet issue.

Now it is one thing so say a caring suggestion for help is miss-placed, the person is
coping fine and another to call that person deluded, and then push some christian
language which implies they do not know the Lord.

If you guys want an adult faith in the real world, to grapple with difficult issues you
will have to wake up and understand we are frail creatures who need all the help we
can get, and if it helps, Amen, if not, we move on.

Our churches are full of people who are bipolar, schizophrenic, depressives etc like any
community and they need as much recognition and support as any other group with
various weaknesses and needs. Often people are so afraid to admit their history, no one
knows how difficult things are behind the scenes.

wrong are churches are full of people who have suffered mental agony from the enemy peter for most part.. The enemy revokes your hurts untill you suffer severe depression... get rid of the enemy and get rid of your depression. no 1

no 2 learn how to beat him and accept it is the enemy.

No 3 knowing what the root of the problem can help you beat it...

No 4 Understanding why other people have wronged you is also up there..

No 5 i agree that anti depression tablets can be a help after being on the recieving end of the enemies attacks but knowing this is another thing.. most christian dismiss the fact that you cant be attacked if your holy spirit indwelled...

I say you can be temporaliy taken over when your least expecting it or temporaliy decieved through there ability to talk to your mind.. which they dont have to possess you to do so..

 

[JIMBO43]

It strikes me that being open and honest for some is too much and too threatening.

But what you have missed, is this is just an invitation, not something you have to fight
against or regard as evil. This alone indicates internal turmoil that simply points to
a need that would benefit from sharing, prayer and fellowship.

And as a passing point. The reason why help often is not offered or is withdrawn is because
of the abuse received when it is handed out. But such is the way of the enemy to turn love
into an evil act, openness into hatred, judgmentalism and something to be condemned.

No wonder Jesus had such a hard time. But I will repeat, God bless you, and may you come
to experience the overwhelming nature of Christs love through the cross in your lives.

Peter people are open all the time about there faith just not personal scars that they would rather not talk about..

People share there testimoneys here all the time.. tell us secrets... share with us fond memories....

You however want to know what makes people tick what motivates what scares you all this... you have admiited your not a doctor so why are you behaving like one ?

 

[Ariel82]

wrong are churches are full of people who have suffered mental agony from the enemy peter for most part.. The enemy revokes your hurts untill you suffer severe depression... get rid of the enemy and get rid of your depression. no 1

no 2 learn how to beat him and accept it is the enemy.

No 3 knowing what the root of the problem can help you beat it...

No 4 Understanding why other people have wronged you is also up there..

No 5 i agree that anti depression tablets can be a help after being on the recieving end of the enemies attacks but knowing this is another thing.. most christian dismiss the fact that you cant be attacked if your holy spirit indwelled...

I say you can be temporaliy taken over when your least expecting it or temporaliy decieved through there ability to talk to your mind.. which they dont have to possess you to do so..

I don't think you can be "taken over" but I do agree with the rest of this post.

 

[stonesoffire]

The symbol was not an eye lol it was an egyption phero.. lol i think stephen sounded his horn to quickly

According to my search though Jim, others say it is the same thing that we have on our money. It started as a symbol to the all seeing eye of God. But, others have taken it up associated with the new world order.

I do remember George H. Bush speaking of ushering in this. It shocked me.

 

[PeterJens]

You however may be a success story peter as i kinda suspect that you have some sought of experince with mental healt your self ? (am i wrong) You do seem quite irrational at times are you on meds too ?

I am not a success story for the medical world and have never had medication or treatment.
A number of my relatives have been permanently on medication from their teenage years and I know
the effect on certain conditions. Some have tried to survive without medication support and lose
it completely which demonstrated the nature of the condition and how well the medication within
limitations suited them.

Now it appears you are very experienced in this area and already have been tried on almost
everything. That at least covers the positive side of seeking support.

And I am not saying I have anything full proof, but in this kind of arena it is always best to be
cautious.

 

[PeterJens]

You however want to know what makes people tick what motivates what scares you all this... you have admiited your not a doctor so why are you behaving like one ?

Jim, this is already too intense and not relevant.
I was trying to help, you have turned it into something else.

So I just stop there. There is nothing else to it.
God bless you, and I do not need to know any more thankyou.

And my friend, I want to help people grow in the Lord and learn more myself
blessing and rejoicing in our Lord.

I am just what I simply appear to be, a brother wanting to help and serve others.

 

[BillG]

Our churches are full of people who are bipolar, schizophrenic, depressives etc like any
community and they need as much recognition and support as any other group with
various weaknesses and needs. Often people are so afraid to admit their history, no one
knows how difficult things are behind the scenes.

We need people in church who are willing to just come alongside the people you have mentioned above.
It breaks my heart when a church shys away and just prescribes its demonic, or you don't have enough faith and so on.

The church needs to be a place of safe enviromemt for people to come to and feel safe.
Just sit with them, talk to them, have ears that listens, let them talk. Just love them where they are at and pray silently for them.

When people start to trust then they will start to open up but we must let them go at their own pace. Walk with them at their pace. No condemnation but just love for them as they are.

This is my passion, what you have said is my passion, this is my passion for the church.

I had the privilege of leading someone who was bipolar to Christ. A really messed up person. I just walked with him from the first point I met him. I didn't preach, I just asked God for wisdom as we walked with each other.

I baptised him on Easter Sunday. He is now a totally different person, he still takes his meds.

Jesus is everything to him, he loves Jesus and he seeks Jesus.

Now and this is the amazing thing. God has given him a job that he can come alongside every type of person you have mentioned above, even those who have tried to commit suicide (just like he did and was very upset when he woke up)

Now he says "God kept me alive for this time"

Well said PJ.

Oh Jesus we pray for a church that people regardless of their circumstance will feel safe and accepted.

 

[PeterJens]

According to my search though Jim, others say it is the same thing that we have on our money. It started as a symbol to the all seeing eye of God. But, others have taken it up associated with the new world order.

I do remember George H. Bush speaking of ushering in this. It shocked me.

The new world order is a real thing, but it is about global trade and the mixed
market economies. Basically we all use fractional reserve lending, and trade globally,
with each country running its own balance of payments. There was a time 100+ years
ago when this was not true.

If you look at the crash of 2008, this was a global problem where the global system
caught it and stopped a great depression. This has never happened before.

So there are now global realities were we are all tied in together. If you look at how
economies grow and develop, China, India, Russia, Brazil, the world is changing and
power is shifting. It is possible the world population will now reach 10 billion and stabalise.

If we all generally live 70+ years the world will be a different place than it has ever
been before. Some would describe this as NWO.

But this could be good or bad, depends on who wins the arguments and if we solve
climate change, food supply, and keep social peace. None of these are easy, but
all appear achievable.

 

[JIMBO43]

Jim, this is already too intense and not relevant.
I was trying to help, you have turned it into something else.

So I just stop there. There is nothing else to it.
God bless you, and I do not need to know any more thankyou.

And my friend, I want to help people grow in the Lord and learn more myself
blessing and rejoicing in our Lord.

I am just what I simply appear to be, a brother wanting to help and serve others.

you dont need to know anymore ? you push and push people untill you get an answer... i was tryning to helpyou believe it or not and perhaps you should meditate on it a bit longer befor dissmissing it...


and b t w i knew someone with bi polar and with in the last year of coming to God she is cured.. no meds have ever done that to her..

Ps its not a case of wanting to know its a case of knowing when people are ready to let you know... accepting everyone is diffrent and we slip up with words is something you must accept that isnt in with your 100 percent always right attitude..

 

[oldethennew]

this world that we all live-in definitely changes 'moment-by-moment', the movement
is not only cyclical but continuously evolving into another moment, thus aging us and
moving us into yet another moment, another decision, another arena of circumstance,
another opportunity - and in all of this, it gets down to Trusting in The Lord with all of
our hearts, and leaning not unto our own understanding', and in all of our ways we
must let Him guide us, else we are become just beasts of the fields...

 

[PeterJens]

We need people in church who are willing to just come alongside the people you have mentioned above.
It breaks my heart when a church shys away and just prescribes its demonic, or you don't have enough faith and so on.

The church needs to be a place of safe enviromemt for people to come to and feel safe.
Just sit with them, talk to them, have ears that listens, let them talk. Just love them where they are at and pray silently for them.

When people start to trust then they will start to open up but we must let them go at their own pace. Walk with them at their pace. No condemnation but just love for them as they are.

This is my passion, what you have said is my passion, this is my passion for the church.

I had the privilege of leading someone who was bipolar to Christ. A really messed up person. I just walked with him from the first point I met him. I didn't preach, I just asked God for wisdom as we walked with each other.

I baptised him on Easter Sunday. He is now a totally different person, he still takes his meds.

Jesus is everything to him, he loves Jesus and he seeks Jesus.

Now and this is the amazing thing. God has given him a job that he can come alongside every type of person you have mentioned above, even those who have tried to commit suicide (just like he did and was very upset when he woke up)

Now he says "God kept me alive for this time"

Well said PJ.

Oh Jesus we pray for a church that people regardless of their circumstance will feel safe and accepted.

Amen. There is a lot for people to learn about being part of a community, and learning how
to love people who are very diverse. To take hard words and not be hurt, to know boundaries,
and how some will storm them but do not mean to. It is sometimes hard to see the victim of
the illness caught in the dilemmas they face, and it can be heart breaking, and also very
fulfilling when you make contact.

As the people of our Lord, it is our ministry to help the outcasts, the needy, and be that
safe place. But it also takes wisdom and training, and a lot of care.

 

[JIMBO43]

The new world order is a real thing, but it is about global trade and the mixed
market economies. Basically we all use fractional reserve lending, and trade globally,
with each country running its own balance of payments. There was a time 100+ years
ago when this was not true.

If you look at the crash of 2008, this was a global problem where the global system
caught it and stopped a great depression. This has never happened before.

So there are now global realities were we are all tied in together. If you look at how
economies grow and develop, China, India, Russia, Brazil, the world is changing and
power is shifting. It is possible the world population will now reach 10 billion and stabalise.

If we all generally live 70+ years the world will be a different place than it has ever
been before. Some would describe this as NWO.

But this could be good or bad, depends on who wins the arguments and if we solve
climate change, food supply, and keep social peace. None of these are easy, but
all appear achievable.

So you can save the world to lol not only are you a wanna be doctor you are also a wannabee world leader...

lol lol lol im beginning to understand you better now you would love to do more but cant and in your thrustration you put it out there believing that your way is best but yet i see a bit of humbleness saying your still learning.. this is good and i do see a seeking heart in you at times but you have to accept that the enemy can still change your thoughts peter it might help when you let go with your venom ... god bless you..

I havent turned anything in to any thing peter im sorry to you feel that way may you be the rock again i thought you was in several posts ...

 

[JIMBO43]

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[PeterJens]

you dont need to know anymore ? you push and push people untill you get an answer... i was tryning to helpyou believe it or not and perhaps you should meditate on it a bit longer befor dissmissing it...

Jim, I have not been pushing you about anything or anyone else.
When I say I have finished, I have finished.
I made one suggestion, and you answered it, so the story finishes.
It is this simple, with only this beginning, middle and end. Nothing more, no overtones,
no other motives, or suggestions, just this. Can you my friend, from a friend, accept this?

 

[JIMBO43]

Jim, I have not been pushing you about anything or anyone else.
When I say I have finished, I have finished.
I made one suggestion, and you answered it, so the story finishes.
It is this simple, with only this beginning, middle and end. Nothing more, no overtones,
no other motives, or suggestions, just this. Can you my friend, from a friend, accept this?

yes i can... can you accept that the enemy can change your thoughts to make you think there your own thoughts ? and can you accept i was not calling you bad... i mean how is it your fault if the enmy can do this to you.. ? meaning me as well... my mistake is not saying it right to you like i am now ?

 

[JIMBO43]

this world that we all live-in definitely changes 'moment-by-moment', the movement
is not only cyclical but continuously evolving into another moment, thus aging us and
moving us into yet another moment, another decision, another arena of circumstance,
another opportunity - and in all of this, it gets down to Trusting in The Lord with all of
our hearts, and leaning not unto our own understanding', and in all of our ways we
must let Him guide us, else we are become just beasts of the fields...

The world needs more christians and little by little more are emerging..

My friend i believe this is the reason we are being attacked more with terrorism the enemy is destroying our church now making christians not wanting to go to a church that chages the texts in bibles to allow gay marriage..


My message to gays as a wannebe world leader is not one of discrimination............ please stop this its no diffrent to terroism what your doing.. your destroying our church... and when your old and sex doesnt play a part in your life anymore you will realise that love is more important than sex..

And you probably wonder why you should have seeked to meet more women in social events where you could share some conversation to see if there was a match.. instead of choosing some gay who confused you