Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2017

What do you think HE meant (in John 8) when HE said if you do not believe I am HE, Ye shall die in your Sins
where I am going, you can not follow?

And why do you think HE said it prior to discussing the TRUTH that THE SON and MASTER of THE HOUSE has a permanent residence and if HE sets free one is free?

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2017

How does one get in The HOUSE
Lets begin at THE DOOR

Magenta · Jun 12, 2017

followjesus said:

Since you came here, Jason, you have consistently rejected what Scripture plainly states, so you teach wrongly, and then pretend it is others who have it wrong, and sometimes when your error is pointed out to you, you resort to slander and very low behavior in retaliation, going for the throat as you say while acting disgusted that others do the same thing you do.

I would love to see you join us in a very basic of the Christian faith, i.e. accepting that Jesus is God, but you refuse, while pretending you would love to see us join together in the basics of our faith. What you seem to mean is that you want us to ignore that you promote error while refusing to accept what Scripture plainly states, which is a core belief of the Christian faith.

I have said it before but I will say it again, because it is always so strange for me to read your words and know they apply to yourself when you do not even realize it. You commend John and quote him as though you actually believe he is trustworthy, yet you reject what He says about Jesus personally. The irony and lack of logic combined with the inherent contradiction is astounding, but you are too blind to see it.

You probably have no idea how disturbing this is for people who really do love Jesus for Who Jesus really is. It is as if you are saying, we can trust John when he says this, this, and this about Jesus, but we must surely acknowledge that John didn't really know what He was talking about when he said that the Word was God and took on flesh and walked among us as Jesus Christ. Certainly you must think John was mistaken about that because you refuse to accept it. You also must not believe that Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God.

According to your own words you have now placed your faith in the wrong things, and your walls have become so set in hardened stone, that a 100 scriptures will be rejected because you have been lead astray into wrong thinking, and you repeatedly refuse correction.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2017

FollowJesus?

john 8 is sandwiched between John 7 and John 9

I think you should read all three chapters together

preacher4truth · Jun 12, 2017

Most Biblical doctrines such as the Deity of Christ, the Trinity, and other truths are rejected because of a lack of a deeper understanding of Scripture. Typically only superficial understanding of verses are presented without truly knowing their meanings in order to support doctrines against the aforementioned. It's like this: "See there? It says Son of God. Therefore He isn't God. He's His Son." They truly don't understand what they're saying, what Son of God means, or Son of Man.

And they are worshiping a creature instead of the Biblical Christ all the while creature worship is condemned in Scripture.

On a side note I thought it was comical that one of their own said we need to have our eyes opened (to see that Jesus is less than what He truly is). LOL!

mailmandan · Jun 12, 2017

followjesus said:

Again, in John 8:58 Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." John repeatedly tells us of the Lord's connection to "I Am". See John 4:26, 8:24, 8:28, 8:58, and 13:19.

Also, once again in John 10:30, Jesus said - "I and the Father are one." Look at the Jews reaction in John 10:33 - The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God, yet you don't understand that.

*You were anxious to bold "God was his Father," in John 5:18 yet you failed to bold, "making himself equal with God."

The Jews understood what Jesus was saying and so do I. He was claiming to be God.

I often hear this lame argument from anti-Trinitarians.

Mormons cite this verse to support their erroneous view on the plurality of gods. This text should not be used to support the view that we are or can become little gods, which is contrary to the overall context. Jesus is addressing Jews who believe there is one God. There should be no pantheistic or polytheistic twist to this monotheistic context. Jesus' statement needs to be understood as part of His overall reasoning here. "If God called human judges 'gods' then how much more can Jesus call Himself the Son of God?, which means He is "God in the flesh." The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for blasphemy, making Himself out to be God. Jesus responded by quoting Psalm 82:6 - "I said, you are gods." Jesus reasoning was that if human judges can be called "gods," then why can't the Son of God be called God? These judges were called "gods" (not in the sense that they were divine beings) but they stood in God's place, even judging matters of life and death. The Palmist goes on to say in verse 7 - "But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler." So we can see that Jesus was defending His Deity.

Which makes Jesus equal with God the Father. Jesus is God.

I'm not offended at all that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Why are you offended by the fact that Jesus is equal with God the Father and that Jesus is God? (John 5:18; John 1:1, 14)

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God = Jesus is God in the flesh.

Jehovah’s Witnesses, along with other cults, understand this to mean that Jesus was "literally" begotten, as if He is a created being. Therefore, they reason among themselves, he cannot be God. "Only begotten Son" means "unique or one of a kind."

To deny the Deity of Christ is offensive and it's also heretical.

bluto · Jun 12, 2017

You said this notfollowingjesus, "where did ypu show any scripture? ever saying Jesus is God? it seems like you are on a differenct planet. abraham obeyed God because he had faith he believed Gods Word." Well, things are not always what they seem. One of the problems you have of many is that you can't keep up and you continue to cut and paste the same verses and contradicting yourself. The following is what I posted to you that prove Jesus Christ is God.

"This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."

For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.

Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.

Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"

At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.

What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.

In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.

How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"

Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

posthuman · Jun 12, 2017

miknik5 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the word 'he' is not actually in the text. In your trust kjv it's italicized, and probably had a footnote.

What He actually said was,

"Unless you believe that I AM..."

Magenta · Jun 12, 2017

Yes, it is more dishonesty from followjesus for him to act like we reject Jesus being the Son of God. Acknowledging Jesus as the Son of God does not mean we reject Him as the image of the invisible God any more than it means that because He is God in the flesh He is not also the Son of Man. Jesus Christ has many descriptors, names, and titles given of Him in the Bible, and we accept them all. He is the Way. He is the Truth. He is the "I AM." He is the light and life of men. He is the Door. He is the Good Shepherd. He is:

ADAM: (1 Corinthians 15:45) And so it is written, The first man Adam
was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

ADVOCATE: (1 John 2:1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

ALMIGHTY: (Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the
ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

ALPHA AND OMEGA: (Revelation 1:8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

AMEN: (Revelation 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

APOSTLE OF OUR PROFESSION: (Hebrews 3:1) Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

ARM OF THE LORD: (Isaiah 51:9) Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?
(Isaiah 53:1) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH: (Hebrews 12:2) Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION: (Hebrews 5:9) And being made
perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

BEGINNING OF CREATION OF GOD: (Revelation 3:14) And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

BELOVED SON: (Matthew 12:18) Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgment to the Gentiles.

BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTATE: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

BRANCH: (Isaiah 4:2) In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

BREAD OF LIFE: (John 6:32) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

Bridegroom: (Matthew 9:15) – The picture of Christ as the Bridegroom and the Church as His Bride reveals the special relationship we have with Him. We are bound to each other in a covenant of grace that cannot be broken.

CAPTAIN OF SALVATION: (Hebrews 2:10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

CHIEF SHEPHERD: (1 Peter 5:4) And when the chief Shepherd
shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

CHRIST OF GOD: (Luke 9:20) He said unto them, But whom
say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

CONSOLATION OF ISRAEL: (Luke 2:25) And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

CORNERSTONE: (Psalm 118:22) The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

COUNSELLOR: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

CREATOR: (John 1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

DAYSPRING: (Luke 1:78) Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

DELIVERER: (Romans 11:26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

DESIRE OF THE NATIONS: (Haggai 2:7) And I will shake all nations, and the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory, saith the LORD of hosts.

DOOR: (John 10:7) Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

ELECT OF GOD: (Isaiah 42:1) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

EVERLASTING FATHER: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

FAITHFUL WITNESS: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

FIRST AND LAST: (Revelation 1:17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

FIRST BEGOTTEN: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own
blood,

FORERUNNER: (Hebrews 6:20) Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

GLORY OF THE LORD: (Isaiah 40:5) And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

GOD: (Isaiah 40:3) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

GOD BLESSED: (Romans 9:5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

GOOD SHEPHERD: (John 10:11) I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

GOVERNOR: (Matthew 2:6) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

GREAT HIGH PRIEST: (Hebrews 4:14) Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

HEAD OF THE CHURCH: (Ephesians 1:22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

HEIR OF ALL THINGS: (Hebrews 1:2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

High Priest: (Hebrews 2:17) – The Jewish high priest entered the Temple once a year to make atonement for the sins of the people. The Lord Jesus performed that function for His people once for all at the cross.

HOLY CHILD: (Acts 4:27) For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

HOLY ONE: (Acts 3:14) But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

HOLY ONE OF GOD: (Mark 1:24) Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.

HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL: (Isaiah 41:14) Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

HORN OF SALVATION: (Luke 1:69) And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

I AM: (John 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

IMAGE OF GOD: (2 Corinthians 4:4) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

IMMANUEL: (Isaiah 7:14) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

JEHOVAH: (Isaiah 26:4) Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:

JESUS: (Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou
shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

JESUS OF NAZARETH: (Matthew 21:11) And the multitude
said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

JUDGE OF ISRAEL: (Micah 5:1) Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

THE JUST ONE: (Acts 7:52) Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

KING: (Zechariah 9:9) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

KING OF THE AGES: (1 Timothy 1:17) Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

KING OF THE JEWS: (Matthew 2:2) Saying, Where is he that is born King
of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

KING OF KINGS: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show,
who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

KING OF SAINTS: (Revelation 15:3) And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of
saints.

LAMB: (Revelation 13:8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

LAMB OF GOD: (John 1:29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

LAWGIVER: (Isaiah 33:22) For the LORD is our judge, the
LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

LEADER AND COMMANDER: (Isaiah 55:4) Behold, I have given
him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

THE LIFE: (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the
truth,and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

LIGHT OF THE WORLD: (John 8:12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH: (Revelation 5:5) And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

LORD OF ALL: (Acts 10:36) The word which God sent unto the
children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)

LORD OF GLORY: (1 Corinthians 2:8) Which none of the princes of this world
knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

LORD OF LORDS: (1 Timothy 6:15) Which in his times he shall show,
who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

LORD OF OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS: (Jeremiah 23:6) In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

MAN OF SORROWS: (Isaiah 53:3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

MEDIATOR: (1 Timothy 2:5) For there is one God, and
one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT: (Malachi 3:1) Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the
covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

MESSIAH: (Daniel 9:25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (John 1:41) He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

MIGHTY GOD: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

MIGHTY ONE: (Isaiah 60:16) Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.

MORNING STAR: (Revelation 22:16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

NAZARENE: (Matthew 2:23) And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.

ONLY BEGOTTEN SON: (John 1:18) No man hath seen God at any time;the
only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

OUR PASSOVER: (1 Corinthians 5:7) Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

PRINCE OF LIFE: (Acts 3:15) And killed the Prince of life,
whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

PRINCE OF KINGS: (Revelation 1:5) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

PRINCE OF PEACE: (Isaiah 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

PROPHET: (Luke 24:19) And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
(Acts 3:22) For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

REDEEMER: (Job 19:25) For I know that my redeemer liveth,
and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

RESURRECTION AND LIFE: (John 11:25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

ROCK: (1 Corinthians 10:4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

ROOT OF DAVID: (Revelation 22:16) I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

ROSE OF SHARON: (Song of Songs 2:1) I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys.

SAVIOR: (Luke 2:11) For unto you is born this day in
the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

SEED OF WOMAN: (Genesis 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

SHEPHERD AND BISHOP OF SOULS: (1 Peter 2:25) For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

SHILOH: (Genesis 49:10) The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

SON OF THE BLESSED: (Mark 14:61) But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

SON OF DAVID: (Matthew 1:1) The book of the generation
of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

SON OF GOD: (Matthew 2:15) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.

SON OF THE HIGHEST: (Luke 1:32) He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS: (Malachi 4:2) But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

TRUE LIGHT: (John 1:9) That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

TRUE VINE: (John 15:1) I am the true vine,
and my Father is the husbandman.

TRUTH: (John 1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

WITNESS: (Isaiah 55:4) Behold, I have given him for a
witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

WORD: (John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

WORD OF GOD: (Revelation 19:13) And he was clothed with a
vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

miknik5 · Jun 12, 2017

posthuman said:

Thank you!!!!

I don't have to correct you, but thank you so much for correcting me!

i never noticed this until you said

followjesus · Jun 12, 2017

beta said:

amen man was from the beginning in eden made in Gods image ( genesis 1:27) im pretty sure that didnt make adam and eve God. we also are Given the Spirit of God and made Back into His image ( which adam gave away) through Jesus His Son, it doesnt make us God is the flesh, or Jesus is the flesh, it simply means we share in the same spirit, same nature. making us children of God.

its also pretty clear that Jesus Himself explains while He was present with us on earth says " God is a spirit" Gods spirit lives in Jesus, and those Who believe in the One God sent receive Gods spirit living in them. there is still Only 1 God, and One begotten Son of God, and we begotten through Him. because through Jesus the spirit of God comes to Us to live in and with us. But Yaweh will always be God, yeshua will always Be His Son and that is the christians Faith that makes us children Of the One true God, and servants of His Son, the Lord and Christ Jesus.

Grandpa · Jun 12, 2017

miknik5 said:

When I was first reading the bible I thought the italicized words were extra important, thats the reason they were italicized.

I didn't find out until later that the italicized words were added for "understanding".

followjesus · Jun 12, 2017

mailmandan said:

the Son of God. Why are you offended by the fact that Jesus is equal with God the Father and that Jesus is God?

you are basing this on what the inbelieving jews said. it is they who believed The statement I am Gods Son was claiming equality with God, Jesus never did that. they were offended of the statements Jesus made about being His Son. God made man from the beginning in Hois own image and Likeness man. ( genesis 1:27) adam Gave that away and then all were made in His fallen image ( genesis 5:3) Jesus whole purpose was to redeem us from that mortal image of man, and make us again in the image of God.

Jesus was In Gods image, that doesnt translate to Him bieng the Father. thats why Jesus wasnt going around saying " Im God" rather His claim was " I am the Son of God" if the bible says that through Faith in Jesus Christ His Only begotten Son, makes us children of God. does that then make us dieties as well? because Gods spirit Lives in us again through Jesus? no it doesnt make us dieties, and where are you guys getting the ideas from where are those scriptures?

the Jews in john 5:18 their motivation for wanting to Kill Jesus, is they were interpreting Him saying " Im God" kind of like you are. Gods spirit was in Jesus thats why he is saying " I am one with the Father" and He also explains that Gods spirit comes to Live in Us who believe in Jesus the Son of God repeatedly. your logice is way off base. there is One God, and One Lord and Christ. yeah they are One, as are all who put thier faith In Jesus the Son of God.

1 john 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God

does Being one with God who is spirit living in us, does that then make us God as well? or make us dieties ? of course it doesnt. Jesus didnt claim equality with God He expressly says " the Father is greater than I " <<<is that a claim of Im equal to God? or did the jews Just not get it, so they crudified Him for saying " I am Gods Son ?

if you or anyone else is saying " I am the Chold of God" that doesnt make us equal to Him.

Jesus calls the disciples brothers. are we made brothers to God? or are we made His children? the father is God, Jesus is His Son. boith Lord and Christ. thats not herecy, its Just the truth of what the Bible says, not my opinion just what scripture makes clear. if Jesus is God, then so are you being one with Him ( if you are) but if Jesus is the Son of God, and you are One with Jesus. what does that make you? a child of the Living God, not equal, but begotten through Jesus.

you guys can accuse me of anything you wish, the only Judgement that matters to Me, is that Of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

consider the word made flesh was " the glory of the only begotten" as it is written, and that Jesus says plainly The father is Greater than I . it seems to assume He is God is Just a heretical teaching that was floated into the world and then spread. because its not ever written anywhere in the Bible.

Jesus was tempted of the devil, God cannot be tempted. its not unclear who Jesus is, its Just pre concieved ideas in peoples minds that stops understanding.

why does Jesus always maintain that His words are not from Him, But from the one who sent Him?

Why does scripture maintain that Jesus is the Son of God? why did none of the aposltes ever say " Jesus Is god the father?

why did Jesus maintain the father is greater than I , He sent me to save you and to speak the truth I heard from Him?

Why does Jesus continually make the point " I can do nothing of myself, it is the father living in me who is doing the works?

why then does peter have the ability to raise the dead girl tabitha? is not the father Living in Peter who is in Christ Jesus doing the works? Jesus Is ans was the Son of God, the promised Christ to come all through the ot. thats not herecy, its Just what the Bible actually says.

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Notice we ore Of the Father, and we are by Jesus the Lord. Jesus Had a God and father, and He says its the same God and father WE have

john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

does the One God have a God who is greater than He?

john 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus didnt claim equality to God, He was always very clear to make sure no one thought that, yet the jewish understanding claimed He was claiming equality to God and crucified Him for it.

are these criptures "herecy" because you possibly missed them in your thinking and dont want to be wrong? so its easier to express your opinion and then label anyone who disagrees a heretic?

Ill stick with The scriptures that arent unclear and simply require One to accept them. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, God his father Made Him Lord and Christ because He obeyed God while He was in the flesh and was crucified on the basis of blind mens interpretation of what He was saying.

acts 2:22-23 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

if peter was teaching Herecy, paul was teaching herecy, Jesus was teaching herecy, the bible as a whoe is teaching herecy...ill stick With that over anyones opinion thats contrary.

bluto · Jun 12, 2017

bluto said:

You said this notfollowingjesus, "where did ypu show any scripture? ever saying Jesus is God? it seems like you are on a differenct planet. abraham obeyed God because he had faith he believed Gods Word." Well, things are not always what they seem. One of the problems you have of many is that you can't keep up and you continue to cut and paste the same verses and contradicting yourself. The following is what I posted to you that prove Jesus Christ is God.

"This is what you said notfollowingjesus, "where is the scripture that says " Jesus is God?" or " the christ is God?" or " unles a person believes that Jesus is God, they need to change?" those scriptures arent found in the Bible, its when a person wont accept whats written, they need change to agree with whats written."

For one thing Isaiah 9:6 says the Messiah/Chirst would be God. Isaiah 7:14, "His name Immanuel means "God with us." In the New testament you have John 20:28 where Thomas declares Jesus Christ his "Lord and God." Titus 2:13 is declared God by the Apostle Paul. 2 Peter 2:1 Jesus is declared God. At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father declares His Son to be God.

Revelation 1:8 where Jesus is speaking declares Himself God. Revelation 1:17.18 Jesus says He is the "First and Last" and in the Old Testament Isaiah 44:6 God declares Himself to be the "First and Last." You also have Revelation 3:14 which shows Jesus Christ is the creator along with John 1:3, Colossians 1:16,17.

Now, can you please tell me why at the trial of Jesus Christ He was accused of blasphem for claiming to be the Messiah/Christ and the Son of God? All you have to do is read the trial transcript at Matthew 26:63 where the High priest Caiaphas askl Jesus to swear, here you read it, "But Jesus kept silent, And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure/swear You by the living God, that You tell us whether (that word whether means the high priest is asking the one person of Jesus two questions?) (1) Are You the Christ and (2) the Son of God?"

At Luke 22:70 Jesus says, "Yes, I am." Then at Matthew 26:65 the high priest tears his robes and said< "He has blasphemed!" So why is it blasphemy for Jesus to claim to be the Son of God since the Jews themselves believe their sons of God as well? Plus the fact that it is not a crime to claim to be the Messiah. We got little messiah's running all over the landscape all through out history and even today and no one is killed for making the claim.

What you don't understand is the Jews have "idioms" and one of those "idioms" is the "son of" idiom. There are many of them throughout the Bible. For example, the Son of valor at 1 Samuel 14:52 refers to a brave or valiant man. Sons of rebellion at Numbers 17:25 refers to persons who are rebels. Sons of foolishness at Job 30:8, refers to senseless people.

In the New Testament you have at Luke 10:6 "Son of peace" referring to a peaceful person. How about this one? "Son of perdition" at John 17:12 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3, who do you think this is refering to? The lost one Judas. Or Sons of Abraham at Galatians 3:7 refer to those like him in the exercise of faith.

How about one more, the Son of God! The Jews understood that when Jesus Christ said at John 5:17, "But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." So tell me, why did the Jews at vs18 want to kill Jesus? The answer is in the verse where it says, "Jesus was making Himself equal with God" because He called God His own Father which was a true statement. In fact, look what Jesus said at Luke 2:49 when He was a boy. "And He said to them, (His parents) "Why is it that you were looking for Me? Did you not know that I had to be in My Father's house?"

Do you know why Jesus Christ ofter referred to Himself as the "Son of Man" and as the "Son of God?" He is the "Son of Man" on His mothers side which makes Him human and the "Son of God" on His Father's side which makes Him Deity/God. This is why Jesus has two natures, one of human and one of Deity/God. In short the idiom of "Son of God" as it applies only to Jesus Christ has to do with His nature. When Jesus said at John 10:30, "I and the Father, We are one" here again the Jews knew He was referring to having the same nature as His Father. This why they wanted to kill Him because in their mind He was blaspheming. The only problem was (like you) the Jews did not believe Him which means Jesus was telling the truth therefore He was not blaspheming.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bumped for followjesus, still no answer from you, why?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Muzungu256 · Jun 12, 2017

hi bro followjesus why cant you trust the concensus of the christian church for 2000 years i beg you bro............ how likely it is that all is wrong?????????????? you can see from the bible also clearly just by reading john 1:1 its clear Jesus was the Word and the Word is God so that should settle it already.................

posthuman · Jun 12, 2017

posthuman said:

likewise - and i really ♥ this - likewise here:

Judas then, having received a band and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon Him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I AM. And Judas also, which betrayed Him, stood with them.

As soon then as He had said unto them, I AM, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Then asked He them again, Whom seek ye?

And they said, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus answered, I have told you that I AM: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: that the saying might be fulfilled, which He spake,

'Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.'

(John 18:3-9)

followjesus · Jun 12, 2017

Grandpa said:

the italicized words are necassary to translate from Hebrew because language is different, the hebrew words cant be translated without those italics, because we have noi english words to express the certain hebrew meanings of thier words. its not " added by anyone" its about keeping accuracy to what the Hebrew translates to in english. same with parenthesis.

the idea that someone is addidg to or taking from the hebres is not at all what that means. certain words in Hebrew cant be translated without the italics, thats what they are for, like any language today even. when you translate other languages to english words arent perceived the same thats why King James employed so many experts in the translation, He wasnted it to be, as it is the most accurate translation possible from Hebrew to english. same with the Greek.

its why its easy to offend someone in say " tagalog" by usng the same ohrase in english understanding that wouldnt be offensive in english. languages at times need italics in order to grasp what the meaning of the original word actually is because they have different meanings in different languages.

theres no need to call to doubt Gods Written Word. without those italics a person would have to study Hebrew thoroughly to not misunderstand. those italics are im[portant because they give the understanding of what the hebrew term means in english. also, languages have words with multiple meanings depending on the context in which the word is used thats the need for those italicized words. so its not confusing and why King james employed 54 of the foremost liguisitics experts in 1611, nd it took 7 years to complete, because they were so exhaustive in thier work. and also, they were seperaed into different Groups and any differences were then re looked at from a fresh perspective. King James did the right Job ordained of God in order to spread the word of God correctly.

Grandpa · Jun 12, 2017

followjesus said:

the italicized words are necassary to translate from Hebrew because language is different, the hebrew words cant be translated without those italics, because we have noi english words to express the certain hebrew meanings of thier words. its not " added by anyone" its about keeping accuracy to what the Hebrew translates to in english. same with parenthesis.

the idea that someone is addidg to or taking from the hebres is not at all what that means. certain words in Hebrew cant be translated without the italics, thats what they are for, like any language today even. when you translate other languages to english words arent perceived the same thats why King James employed so many experts in the translation, He wasnted it to be, as it is the most accurate translation possible from Hebrew to english. same with the Greek.

its why its easy to offend someone in say " tagalog" by usng the same ohrase in english understanding that wouldnt be offensive in english. languages at times need italics in order to grasp what the meaning of the original word actually is because they have different meanings in different languages.

theres no need to call to doubt Gods Written Word. without those italics a person would have to study Hebrew thoroughly to not misunderstand. those italics are im[portant because they give the understanding of what the hebrew term means in english. also, languages have words with multiple meanings depending on the context in which the word is used thats the need for those italicized words. so its not confusing and why King james employed 54 of the foremost liguisitics experts in 1611, nd it took 7 years to complete, because they were so exhaustive in thier work. and also, they were seperaed into different Groups and any differences were then re looked at from a fresh perspective. King James did the right Job ordained of God in order to spread the word of God correctly.

That's not true.

A lot of times a better understanding can be had by knowing that the italicized word was added for "understanding".

Such as with Posthumans example of John 8:24 and John 18:3-9

followjesus · Jun 12, 2017

posthuman said:

As soon then as He had said unto them, I AM, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

are you missing the fact that God gave to Jesus all power and authority? and that Jesus repeats " my words are not my own, they Belong to God? so why wouldnt Gods words have the Power in them, they always Have. same principle in " let there be Light"

see how you have to take something like that, to make the statement : Jesus is God?

thats where were following the mind and logic rather than understanding " God gave all things to Jesus His Son, all power authoirty and all things. same principle as " it is the father living in me, that is doing His work, thats why those men fell.

john 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

that italic is because thats what the hebrew translates into in english because of context and language differences, maybe thats where you are going wrong, thinking the linguistics ex[perts work over 7 years, somehow didnt understand How translation works...they did.

john 4:24-26 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 25The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.26Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

john 12:49-50 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

why would God need to tell Himself what to say and speak? or...does it make sense that Jesus is the Christ promised from moses forward with things like this

deuteronomy 18:18 "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.<<< Jesus the messiah

bluto · Jun 12, 2017

followjesus said:

Here you go again notfollowingjesus? First of all no Trinitarian is going to teach that Jesus Christ is God the Father. That is not what John 14:7-12 according the the context. Secondly, you made this statement, "you are basing this on what the inbelieving jews said. it is they who believed The statement I am Gods Son was claiming equality with God, Jesus never did that. they were offended of the statements Jesus made about being His Son."

Do you know how many hundreds of times I have heard this excuse that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying? Let me put it this way in the form of a question? "Whether or not the Jews are correctly or incorrectly understanding Jesus is not the issue. The issue is what was it that JESUS SAID that caused them to say He was claiminbg to be God that so upset the Jews?

In other words, the Jews are responsding to what Jesus said that caused them to want to kill Him. So what did Jesus say at John 5:17,"My Father is working until now, and Myself am working." The Jews rightly understand that Jesus is making Himself equal with God by calling God the Father His own Father. Just read v s18.

How about John 8:58 where Jesus says, "Truly truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born I am!" What did the Jews do in reaction at John 8:59? Again they wanted to kill Him. And btw, Jesus Christ created Abraham. What about John 10:30 when Jesus simply said, "I and My Father, We are one." This does not mean in context that Jesus and the Father are one in purpose. We already know they are one in purpose. How did the Jews react at John 10:31? "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him."

Now, why in the world do you think Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6 which says, "Has it not been written in your Law, "I said you are gods?"

By quoting Psalm 82:6 Jesus was making a very important point that you need to think about? What Jesus is simply doing is taking the Jews's statement about Him blaspheming to its logical conclusion to show they the Jews are being inconsistent. In effect, Jesus is saying, "If you say that I am blaspheming, you must also hold that God is blaspheming because He said to those by whom the word of God came, "ye are gods."

In other words, Jesus' usuage of Psalm 82:6 was to imply that what the Scriptures call humans allegorically, He was in actuality since He does what only God can do. And if anything the response of Jesus serves to reinforce to the Jewss that Jesus "though, only a human being," was making Himself the "Son of God" at John 10:36. In fact you do not see Jesus denying the charge. In short, IF the Jews did not understand what Jesus meant, you can't know?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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