Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

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Thomas did say my Lord and my God. Take note however that Jesus did not correct Thomas nor reprimand Thomas for saying Jesus is his God. Jesus said " Because you have seen me you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet believed." John 20:29. In essence Jesus was saying you are right Thomas; I am Lord and I am God.

God the Father lives in Jesus, why do you guys base your beliefs on obscurity such as thomas saying " MY lORD and my God" Very clearly Jesus is Lord made so By God His Father, the Father lives in Jesus. so before thomas stood Jesus the Son of God, and His God Living in Him. thomas wasnt wrong neither was Paul, peter or the apostles who make very clear there is One God, the Father who is spirit, and that the One God the Father who is spirit exalted Jesus to sit at His right Hand. Jesus acknowledges hid God and Father throughout the gospel, as do His apostles. to make a second God, is not at all proper and misses the gospel entirely.

That God would raise His begotten Son from Death and exalt Him to sit on His throne with Him, thats what the gospel is about and it also is essential to grasping that through the Son of the Only God, He will raise us from the dead and exalt us to sit on His throne.

revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." <<< this will never make us Jesus the Son of God, or God His Father1 corinthoians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

ephesians 1:17 "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

understand that God is the Father, and Jesus the Lord acknowledges His God and Father, and even Calls His God and Father OUR GOD and Father.

Jesus again is "the Christ, the Son of the Living God" thats who Jesus is , He is both Lord and Christ, sits beside God His Father. and that is Christianity, That God sent His only Son to save the World. i really dont get what anyones issue is with that its throughout the new testament. God has a Son and gave him for the sins of the World, Jesus obeys His God and Father , dies for us willingly, His Father then raises Jesus from the dead and seats Him at His side.

acts 5:27-32 "And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, 28Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men

.30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


it seems as if some Here would call the apostles heretics because " they just didnt get it" Jesus is the Son of the Living God"

as God said in the Gospel twice, as Jesus maintained, as all the apostles taught its the very message of the Gospel that God sent His Son, to save those who would believe in His Son, the One Goid gave Him all authority because God Loves Jesus, Jesus Gives us His Glory because God and Jesus both Love us.....

Jesus is the Son of God that belief brings salvation. Jesus is the name of Gods Only begotten Son.

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Jesus the only begotten Son of God. there is not a single scripture to imply anyone needs confess that Jesus is God, there are repeated scriptures of the apostles saying " if anyone confess that Jesus is the Son of God...."

its best to just forget what we think we Know and believe what is taught to christians, because there is One God the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ there is no other God. Jesus is of God, one with God by the spirit, God lives within Jesus, Jesus is like God being His only begotten Son, He is our Lord, the Christ everything Jesus is, God gave to Him because He is Gods beloved Son, and everything God gives us, is because we Believe in Jesus, the Only begotten Son of God.

 

[graceNpeace]

God the Father lives in Jesus, why do you guys base your beliefs on obscurity such as thomas saying " MY lORD and my God" ....

Dear oh dear... just ignore the bits that are inconvenient...

That God would raise His begotten Son from Death and exalt Him to sit on His throne with Him, thats what the gospel is about and it also is essential to grasping that through the Son of the Only God, He will raise us from the dead and exalt us to sit on His throne.

To become gods ourselves...
OR what?

 

[CherieR]

God the Father lives in Jesus, why do you guys base your beliefs on obscurity such as thomas saying " MY lORD and my God" Very clearly Jesus is Lord made so By God His Father, the Father lives in Jesus. so before thomas stood Jesus the Son of God, and His God Living in Him. thomas wasnt wrong neither was Paul, peter or the apostles who make very clear there is One God, the Father who is spirit, and that the One God the Father who is spirit exalted Jesus to sit at His right Hand. Jesus acknowledges hid God and Father throughout the gospel, as do His apostles. to make a second God, is not at all proper and misses the gospel entirely.

That God would raise His begotten Son from Death and exalt Him to sit on His throne with Him, thats what the gospel is about and it also is essential to grasping that through the Son of the Only God, He will raise us from the dead and exalt us to sit on His throne.

revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." <<< this will never make us Jesus the Son of God, or God His Father1 corinthoians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

ephesians 1:17 "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

understand that God is the Father, and Jesus the Lord acknowledges His God and Father, and even Calls His God and Father OUR GOD and Father.

Jesus again is "the Christ, the Son of the Living God" thats who Jesus is , He is both Lord and Christ, sits beside God His Father. and that is Christianity, That God sent His only Son to save the World. i really dont get what anyones issue is with that its throughout the new testament. God has a Son and gave him for the sins of the World, Jesus obeys His God and Father , dies for us willingly, His Father then raises Jesus from the dead and seats Him at His side.

acts 5:27-32 "And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, 28Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men

.30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


it seems as if some Here would call the apostles heretics because " they just didnt get it" Jesus is the Son of the Living God"

as God said in the Gospel twice, as Jesus maintained, as all the apostles taught its the very message of the Gospel that God sent His Son, to save those who would believe in His Son, the One Goid gave Him all authority because God Loves Jesus, Jesus Gives us His Glory because God and Jesus both Love us.....

Jesus is the Son of God that belief brings salvation. Jesus is the name of Gods Only begotten Son.

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Jesus the only begotten Son of God. there is not a single scripture to imply anyone needs confess that Jesus is God, there are repeated scriptures of the apostles saying " if anyone confess that Jesus is the Son of God...."

its best to just forget what we think we Know and believe what is taught to christians, because there is One God the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ there is no other God. Jesus is of God, one with God by the spirit, God lives within Jesus, Jesus is like God being His only begotten Son, He is our Lord, the Christ everything Jesus is, God gave to Him because He is Gods beloved Son, and everything God gives us, is because we Believe in Jesus, the Only begotten Son of God.

I don't base it persay on what Thomas said but how Jesus responded. Jesus could have responded, Thomas I am not God don't worship me but he didn't. Instead Jesus seems to encourage his statement of faith by what he says after Thomas calls him my Lord and my God. If Jesus was not God and knew he was not God, then he would be a sinner for accepting worship because the bible says to worship God alone. Jesus himself said that we are to worship God only to Satan when he tempted Jesus to worship him. So if Jesus was not God and knew he was not God, wouldn't that make Jesus a hypocrite also for accepting worship when Jesus himself said to worship God alone? Notice this is not the only time Jesus accepts worship. He does it on other various occasions.

 

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God the Father lives in Jesus, why do you guys base your beliefs on obscurity such as thomas saying " MY lORD and my God" Very clearly Jesus is Lord made so By God His Father, the Father lives in Jesus. so before thomas stood Jesus the Son of God, and His God Living in Him. thomas wasnt wrong neither was Paul, peter or the apostles who make very clear there is One God, the Father who is spirit, and that the One God the Father who is spirit exalted Jesus to sit at His right Hand. Jesus acknowledges hid God and Father throughout the gospel, as do His apostles. to make a second God, is not at all proper and misses the gospel entirely.

That God would raise His begotten Son from Death and exalt Him to sit on His throne with Him, thats what the gospel is about and it also is essential to grasping that through the Son of the Only God, He will raise us from the dead and exalt us to sit on His throne.

revelation 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." <<< this will never make us Jesus the Son of God, or God His Father1 corinthoians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

ephesians 1:17 "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

understand that God is the Father, and Jesus the Lord acknowledges His God and Father, and even Calls His God and Father OUR GOD and Father.

Jesus again is "the Christ, the Son of the Living God" thats who Jesus is , He is both Lord and Christ, sits beside God His Father. and that is Christianity, That God sent His only Son to save the World. i really dont get what anyones issue is with that its throughout the new testament. God has a Son and gave him for the sins of the World, Jesus obeys His God and Father , dies for us willingly, His Father then raises Jesus from the dead and seats Him at His side.

acts 5:27-32 "And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them, 28Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men

.30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


it seems as if some Here would call the apostles heretics because " they just didnt get it" Jesus is the Son of the Living God"

as God said in the Gospel twice, as Jesus maintained, as all the apostles taught its the very message of the Gospel that God sent His Son, to save those who would believe in His Son, the One Goid gave Him all authority because God Loves Jesus, Jesus Gives us His Glory because God and Jesus both Love us.....

Jesus is the Son of God that belief brings salvation. Jesus is the name of Gods Only begotten Son.

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Jesus the only begotten Son of God. there is not a single scripture to imply anyone needs confess that Jesus is God, there are repeated scriptures of the apostles saying " if anyone confess that Jesus is the Son of God...."

its best to just forget what we think we Know and believe what is taught to christians, because there is One God the Father of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ there is no other God. Jesus is of God, one with God by the spirit, God lives within Jesus, Jesus is like God being His only begotten Son, He is our Lord, the Christ everything Jesus is, God gave to Him because He is Gods beloved Son, and everything God gives us, is because we Believe in Jesus, the Only begotten Son of God.

I don't base it persay on what Thomas said but how Jesus responded. Jesus could have responded, Thomas I am not God don't worship me but he didn't. Instead Jesus seems to encourage his statement of faith by what he says after Thomas calls him my Lord and my God. If Jesus was not God and knew he was not God, then he would be a sinner for accepting worship because the bible says to worship God alone. Jesus himself said that we are to worship God only to Satan when he tempted Jesus to worship him. So if Jesus was not God and knew he was not God, wouldn't that make Jesus a hypocrite also for accepting worship when Jesus himself said to worship God alone? Notice this is not the only time Jesus accepts worship. He does it on other various occasions.

As I understand it... Jesus has been given all authority and power on earth and in heaven Mat 28v18 and would consequently be acting in His Fathers Name who IS God...therefore Jesus can also be worshipped. But this is a 'temporary situation so Jesus can do and finish the work on earth. When done He will hand all (authority and power) back to the Father and 'submit Himself also 1 Cor 15v25-28.
Can you see reason in that CherieR ?

 

[MattforJesus]

As I understand it... Jesus has been given all authority and power on earth and in heaven Mat 28v18 and would consequently be acting in His Fathers Name who IS God...therefore Jesus can also be worshipped. But this is a 'temporary situation so Jesus can do and finish the work on earth. When done He will hand all (authority and power) back to the Father and 'submit Himself also 1 Cor 15v25-28.
Can you see reason in that ?

There is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our Savior,for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind to God.

No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled mankind to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony.

Jesus said all power is given to Me in heaven and earth,and the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

God's right hand represents power,wisdom,and salvation.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,be at His right hand,until His enemies are conquered,then the Son shall stop exercising the throne of power,cease being at the right hand,and submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints.

There is only one throne on heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God does not mean He sits on a throne next to the Father,but that He exercises the throne of power until His enemies are conquered,His mediator role fulfilled,then He will stop being at the right hand,that God may be all in all.

Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,which He said,if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and Jesus is the invisible God's visible relationship to the saints forever,as He shines out of the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus and lights the New Jerusalem.

 

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"God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints."

exactly matt. God is ruling through Jesus Christ His Begotten Son the son of man is standing right now at the Fathers side litterally He is next to God, God Himself is spirit, and we will see His face as well as the face of Jesus Christ his only begotten, its why even in revelation there are 2 figures on the throne. The Lamb who looks as oif He has been slain is one figure, and there is also the figure who was seated prior on the throne.

revelation 4:2-3 "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. 3And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

revelation 5:1-4 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? 3And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. 4And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon."

revelation 5:5-10 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. 7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. 8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints

. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth."

Very clearly The One who sits upon the throne is God the Father, he holds a "book" in His hand, the lamb then appears having been slain comes and takes the book from His hand and at that Point they fall down before the Lamb and sing a new song, worthy is the Lamb who was slain"

There are 2 figures to sets of Hands, and it remains that way throughout revelation. even in the end there is God who gives Light and the lamb who is the lamp for that light. He is by Gods Side God is ruling through Jesus , Jesus however is not God almighty. God himself has an appearance it is the same image of His Glory as is shown in the ot a few times the rainbow is above His Head and His appearance is as precious stones.

remember what God said to moses ?

exodus 33:20-21 " 20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:"

some would say well Jesus face is Gods Face. yet long after Jesus came and went paul says this

1 timothy 6:16 " Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

and John says this who certainly saw Jesus face to face

1 john 4:12 "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

Yet Jesus says this

john 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

john 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

john 6:27 "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed

John 6:33 "For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

john 6:46-51 " "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. [FONT=Arimo, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif].....[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]. [/FONT]50[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. [/FONT]51[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."

clearly Jesus has seen God prior to being sent from Heaven. The Father is God He is on the throne and as you have said, God is ruling through Jesus this because He gave Jesus the poower and authority and Judgement " the book" there are 2 figures there is yaweh who is the Lord God almighty, and there is yeshua Who is His Son, made both Lord and Christ to christians. its why there are more than One harvest One for the saints of the tribes of israel, and the other is by the son of man,

rev 14:14-17 "[/FONT]And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]remember this is after the 144000 of isreal, and also after the firstfruits ar harvested.

The thing is its really simple God is God, He has a Son His Son was manifest in the flesh when the time came that the worlds was lost and needed salvation. God gave everyone and everything to His Son Jesus Christ because Jesus came and suffered and died to purchase us from death. Notice the hundred 44 thousand have only the Fathers name on them. these are those who took part in the first resurrection those who are redeemed of the earth from the old things, the old order. before Christ came to earth. the harvest of the Son of man on the clouds, that is the cominf of Jesus which paul explains so well talking about the firstfruits being resurrected and then those who belong to Jesus at His coming.


what is amazing is that God himself will be seen Be Jesus disciples ( those in Christ) because He says they will see Him

matthew 5:8 "[/FONT]Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Jesus will be and Has been already seen by many, God will also be seen when all is Done God literally Has A Son who He lives in, He is the first Christian the first to be filled with the Holy spirit of God the Father. they are not the same they are One by that same spirit in God, Jesus and those who are in Christ. [FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

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As I understand it... Jesus has been given all authority and power on earth and in heaven Mat 28v18 and would consequently be acting in His Fathers Name who IS God...therefore Jesus can also be worshipped. But this is a 'temporary situation so Jesus can do and finish the work on earth. When done He will hand all (authority and power) back to the Father and 'submit Himself also 1 Cor 15v25-28.
Can you see reason in that CherieR ?

exactly sister. God is ruling through Jesus Christ now God ruled in the ot Himself He is yaweh the God of israel, God most High, the one true and Only God. Gods elect are israel, the old order saints through the preisthood of aaron, The Old testament is the testament of God the Father the prophets testify of His Son the messiah to come to earth from Heaven from Gods Glory.

the new testament is the Sons testimony about the Father, its the new order of melchezidek. there is a harvest of the saints of the first order the 144000 of isral, and there are the harvests of Jesus the firstfuits harvest that paul speaks of here

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. ( them that slept ? remember in the ot God said to those like moses and abraham and daniel go sleep with thy fathers... and then remember that when Jesus rose from the dead, many other saints and Holy men rose from thier tombs)

21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

this is the first resurrection. those of israel. the Fathers Harvest. of the order of aaron.

after this we see the son of man upon the clouds harvesting the earth, these are they who belong to the Lamb, the Son of God those the Father gave to Him. they are of the Order of melchezidek the christians.

the same is shown in revelation 7 there are two groups those of israel, and those of every tribe nation and language. again this shows the 2 covenants and those under each. revealation 7:4 describes again those of the tribes of israel, and then in v 9 John sees another Group that are from all nations and they are saying " salvation belongs to God and to the Lamb." whereas the first group is said " put the name of Our God on thier foreheads v3 and all are of israels 12 tribes.

this again shows God harvesting His people israel from the first covenant, and God harvesting through the Son of man those of all peoples. the firstfruits, and those at His coming.

remember that when Jesus died this happened

matt 27:52 "And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,"

1 corinthians 15:20 "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

revelation 14:1 "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. << notice this group has only the Fathers name on thier foreheads. and are all of the tribes of israel and they are seen with the Lamb on mount sion. these are the first covenant saints the first resurrection. Those of the Fathers harvest the aaronic preisthood. they were raised at Christs Death. and came with him when he gave His spirit into Gods Hands at the cross.

the other group of the great multitude are thos harvested by the Son of man upon the clouds after ward at Christs Coming. they are those the Father gave to Jesus and were redeemed through His blood. under the order of melchezidek, Jesus preisthood.

 

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Gen 3:22　 Later, the LORD God said, "Look! The man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, so he won't reach out, also take from the tree of life, eat, and then live forever—"

From this it looks like they could of.

I believe they were tempted "to be like God" but they already were like Him. In my one translation the serpent is called the "shining one". It kind of goes with the book of Adam and Eve. And is why Eve was deceived. She thought she was talking to an angelic being.

I know these things are not spelled out in English translations but are in other writings. So I guess it ups to us what we want to think. To me this makes more sense.

They were immortal, in the image of God, and became flesh when they ate.
　

I agree, they did have bodies made of dust however. I think rather they had a body like Jesus after the resurrection a spiritual body and were made to last forever and when they ate, the good and evil corrupted thier nature bringing the double mindedness of man. and were cursed with death. look how quickly they went from "very good in genesis 1, to only evil in genesis 6. remembering there was no law to govern them until well after the flood. evil corrupted them, the tree of Life was all good no evil, the forbidden tree was a death sentance because of the evil. Gods command to not eat it was a safeguard to keep mans life.

Look at the effect it had " thier eyes were open and they realized they were naked. this shows clearly a corruption of thier minds because of Lust now in them, wheras before they were naked and had no shame because thier hearts and minds were only good they had no lust. there is a spiritual Body according to paul like the resurrected body of Jesus that we will be given at the resurrection, i look at this as what they had beforehand, and when they ate of the tree that incuded evil, they then corrupted thier body and bagan to be flesh.

the decline is also seen clearly at first after expulsion they live hundreds of Years and then when man is sorrupt on the earth with evil He numbers thier years at 120. adam was 930 years old when He died, seth 912 years, enos 905, cainan 910 years, mahaleleel 895 years, enoch 365 on earth ( but He never died,) methusalah 969, lamech was 777 years and then Noah came and was the last of the old agers. then at the flood God limits mans life to 120 years because evil had taken them over.

adam Had flesh because Eve was made from His flesh before the fall. Jesus had flesh also because thomas touched Him. o think om on the page you are on mostly i would say that the differentce is a spiritual Body pure, and an earthly body corrupt. adam began with the pure and brought the d=corrupt, Jesus began with the corrupt and brongs the pure back.

1 corinthians 15 :40-42 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power ,It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

adam was made in Gods image, so like you are saying, He was in the image of the spiritual Body and brought corruption and death, Jesus was born in the flesh we know now, overcame its weakness and glorified the body of man again which will be received at the resurrection of the righteous, Jesus is really redeeming us toi what we were originally made to be, in genesis you see the fall and decline of mans state. and in Jesus and the gospel we see the rise again to children of God, mans glorification. God has a body its Just not corrupt its a spiritual Body.

 

[miknik5]

I agree, they did have bodies made of dust however. I think rather they had a body like Jesus after the resurrection a spiritual body and were made to last forever and when they ate, the good and evil corrupted thier nature bringing the double mindedness of man. and were cursed with death. look how quickly they went from "very good in genesis 1, to only evil in genesis 6. remembering there was no law to govern them until well after the flood. evil corrupted them, the tree of Life was all good no evil, the forbidden tree was a death sentance because of the evil. Gods command to not eat it was a safeguard to keep mans life.

Look at the effect it had " thier eyes were open and they realized they were naked. this shows clearly a corruption of thier minds because of Lust now in them, wheras before they were naked and had no shame because thier hearts and minds were only good they had no lust. there is a spiritual Body according to paul like the resurrected body of Jesus that we will be given at the resurrection, i look at this as what they had beforehand, and when they ate of the tree that incuded evil, they then corrupted thier body and bagan to be flesh.

the decline is also seen clearly at first after expulsion they live hundreds of Years and then when man is sorrupt on the earth with evil He numbers thier years at 120. adam was 930 years old when He died, seth 912 years, enos 905, cainan 910 years, mahaleleel 895 years, enoch 365 on earth ( but He never died,) methusalah 969, lamech was 777 years and then Noah came and was the last of the old agers. then at the flood God limits mans life to 120 years because evil had taken them over.

adam Had flesh because Eve was made from His flesh before the fall. Jesus had flesh also because thomas touched Him. o think om on the page you are on mostly i would say that the differentce is a spiritual Body pure, and an earthly body corrupt. adam began with the pure and brought the d=corrupt, Jesus began with the corrupt and brongs the pure back.

1 corinthians 15 :40-42 "There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power ,It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

adam was made in Gods image, so like you are saying, He was in the image of the spiritual Body and brought corruption and death, Jesus was born in the flesh we know now, overcame its weakness and glorified the body of man again which will be received at the resurrection of the righteous, Jesus is really redeeming us toi what we were originally made to be, in genesis you see the fall and decline of mans state. and in Jesus and the gospel we see the rise again to children of God, mans glorification. God has a body its Just not corrupt its a spiritual Body.

This is the conclusion I come to from the From the two above paragraphs which which I have enlarged and bolded: point out to

you exalt Adam over Christ
you make Adam pure and perfect flesh before his fall
and you make Jesus impure, imperfect, corrupt flesh until after His victory

 

[miknik5]

Do you agree that man (created/fashioned by GOD in HIS IMAGE) is composed of body (flesh) soul and spirit?

 

[graceNpeace]

This is the conclusion I come to from the From the two above paragraphs which which I have enlarged and bolded: point out to

you exalt Adam over Christ
you make Adam pure and perfect flesh before his fall
and you make Jesus impure, imperfect, corrupt flesh until after His victory

It is truly sad isn't it....

 

[miknik5]

adam was made in Gods image, so like you are saying, He was in the image of the spiritual Body and brought corruption and death, Jesus was born in the flesh we know now, overcame its weakness and glorified the body of man again which will be received at the resurrection of the righteous, Jesus is really redeeming us toi what we were originally made to be, in genesis you see the fall and decline of mans state. and in Jesus and the gospel we see the rise again to children of God, mans glorification. God has a body its Just not corrupt its a spiritual Body.

How do you reconcile your understanding of "CHRIST IN US OUR HOPE OF GLORY" with this above comment?

and before you do that, keeping in mind that man is flesh, soul and spirit (created in God's image) how does GOD have a body and how is a body made manifest?