Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[miknik5]

the italicized words are necassary to translate from Hebrew because language is different, the hebrew words cant be translated without those italics, because we have noi english words to express the certain hebrew meanings of thier words. its not " added by anyone" its about keeping accuracy to what the Hebrew translates to in english. same with parenthesis.

the idea that someone is addidg to or taking from the hebres is not at all what that means. certain words in Hebrew cant be translated without the italics, thats what they are for, like any language today even. when you translate other languages to english words arent perceived the same thats why King James employed so many experts in the translation, He wasnted it to be, as it is the most accurate translation possible from Hebrew to english. same with the Greek.

its why its easy to offend someone in say " tagalog" by usng the same ohrase in english understanding that wouldnt be offensive in english. languages at times need italics in order to grasp what the meaning of the original word actually is because they have different meanings in different languages.

theres no need to call to doubt Gods Written Word. without those italics a person would have to study Hebrew thoroughly to not misunderstand. those italics are im[portant because they give the understanding of what the hebrew term means in english. also, languages have words with multiple meanings depending on the context in which the word is used thats the need for those italicized words. so its not confusing and why King james employed 54 of the foremost liguisitics experts in 1611, nd it took 7 years to complete, because they were so exhaustive in thier work. and also, they were seperaed into different Groups and any differences were then re looked at from a fresh perspective. King James did the right Job ordained of God in order to spread the word of God correctly.

So I guess it's important to believe rightly who HE is.
I mean, it doesn't change the meaning of what is being said...italicized word or not.

If you do not believe I AM, ye shall die in your sins.
If you do not believe I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.


The result of not believing HIS TESTIMONY is still the same.


HE said to those who did not believe:
(John 8)
I am going away and you can not follow ME.
and if you do not believe I AM (HE) ye shall die in your sins.


Yet to those who did believe, HE said something differently:
(John 13)
I am going away and you can not follow ME...now...but you will later

 

[miknik5]

In John 9, after JESUS tells these "learned men of the law" that if the SON sets you free, you are free, HE heals a blind man from birth...

And here is those who are supposed to be experts in the truths of GOD, and they can't make a right judgment about HIM.
Yet, a man born blind, comes to the gradual revelation that HE is who HE said HE is...


...and he worships HIM...


Interesting...and tragic...isn't it.

 

[miknik5]

And that is when CHRIST says:

For judgment I have come...

(John 9)


Now if you went to John 7, you would have seen that HE stood up at the feast and said:

Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not. 29But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me. 30Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come. 31And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this *man hath done?

*Interesting...more italicized words

 

[followjesus]

So I guess it's important to believe rightly who HE is.
I mean, it doesn't change the meaning of what is being said...italicized word or not.

If you do not believe I AM, ye shall die in your sins.
If you do not believe I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.


The result of not believing HIS TESTIMONY is still the same.


HE said to those who did not believe:
(John 8)
I am going away and you can not follow ME.
and if you do not believe I AM (HE) ye shall die in your sins.


Yet to those who did believe, HE said something differently:
(John 13)
I am going away and you can not follow ME...now...but you will later

So I guess it's important to believe rightly who HE is.
I mean, it doesn't change the meaning of what is being said...italicized word or not.

If you do not believe I AM, ye shall die in your sins.
If you do not believe I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.


The result of not believing HIS TESTIMONY is still the same.

exactly thats why were told very clerly that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God <<<< thats who jesus is, as again the op began with.

you will find this in agaoin and again scripture "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


but you will not find this anywhere in scripture "Whosoever shall confess that "Jesus is God", God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

thats my entire point Christians have to believe that "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" thats what we are told to bel;ieve and share with others. when you start making that " Jesus is God the Father" another way of saying that is " God doesnt have a Son" and that Leads to all sorts of wrong doctrine Like " God was tempted" which He wasnt and cant be, or " God died" whoich He cannot die" or the Christ isnt who all the prophets and psalms said He is. the One sent from God, His Only begotten Son.


Either the christians Faith is based upon this

john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God


^^^^ that IS christianity, Our thinking has to remain where God said it needs to remain if that was writtne differently i could agree but it is what it is and the same thing is taught throughout Scripture and always connected directly to eternal Life to believe that Jesus is the Christ ( the One promised to be sent By God in the prophets who would be annointed with Gods spirit to teach the World about God the Father) and the Son of God, by whom we are made children of God. there is no other way to believe.

to say " God so loved us that he came into the world, called Himself His Son, to save us is a different thing, and comes from letting thinking roam from the truth that God does indeed Have an only begotten Son, who was with Him before the world was, that He sent at the proper time to redeem us from our sins and offer eternal Life. thats what Christianity is all about.


maybe im off here, but you go first find the scripture even One that Says " to say Jesus is God means salvation " or to confess that Jesus is the Father has any bearing on Christianity" and i will consent, but i can oaalready tell you with confidence, you will not find that scripture. in a proper translation of the Holy Bible.


Niv john 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Kjv John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

( Bosom in the closes relationship to)

translations accuracy matters greatly. the niv original from 1981, is different than the modernized ever changing version. simply because bible companies have to sell to make more cash. so the niv is always now days being re translated and re distributed, actually changing the text in many places.

after the study of the Hebrew language and the greek language anyone who is straight forward will admit that the Kjv is the most accurate text available and is no different from the Original Hebrew and Greek. ask a qualified language expert and they will see the same. thos italics are essential because without them, many places in scripture could be interpreted many ways. in the context words are used changes hat a single word means, thats why the translators used the italics and why it tookj them an exhaustive 7 years to offer what is the KJV authorized translation and why it is the most accurate available.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" <<< that belief is what the Bible teaches christians to believe and what is tied directly to the christians faith. to say He is the father made flesh, is the same as saying any son is thier father made flesh, it doesnt make the child thier father in person, the Father still ius the Father thats why the Son is called the Son. and our faith is squarley rooted in the fact that God sent His only begotten Son to save us and Bring us back to a relationship with God. God....Jesus....and you. One God , One Lord and christ, and mankind. Jesus is the mediator between God the Father and mankind and the Only way to the Father is throiugh His Son. who is sitting currently at Gods right hand being both Lord and Christ, Our advocate with the Father.

 

[followjesus]

In John 9, after JESUS tells these "learned men of the law" that if the SON sets you free, you are free, HE heals a blind man from birth...

And here is those who are supposed to be experts in the truths of GOD, and they can't make a right judgment about HIM.
Yet, a man born blind, comes to the gradual revelation that HE is who HE said HE is...


...and he worships HIM...


Interesting...and tragic...isn't it.

lol i do worship Jesus as my Lord and savior, the Son of God, and through that I worship the One true and Only God, yaweh Who is the Father of yeshua Jesus. it seems to be you folks denying things so clearly set forth like this

matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

its not me who doesnt understand that Gods Son is to be honored as Both Lord and Christ, itsthe thinking that Jesus is the Father, so to Hear " God sent His only begotten Son" is hard for you to accept.

to see that Jesus is One with God and so are His disciples is Hard to accept because if " Being One wth God makes Jesus God, then Beiong one with God through Jesus would also mean God is manifest in all of us making us God as well. thats where that Thinking Leads to and why its of base. If Jesus is the Son of God, then being one with Jesus makes us children of God. whoi dwells in us only through the truth that : Jesus is the Son of God" thats where my thinking Leads.

Im not willing to follow anything not taught in the Bible because it will always lead us astray. we are children of God, through Faith in His Son, there is only 1 God who is in all and through all, only because Jesus Hois Sonn is in all and through all that believe. Gotta Just stay with what is there, if " Jesus is God" that statement would be clear and repetetive in the Bible rather than always making the distinction between the 2. God the Father, Jesus His only begotten, the Christ and Lord because God made Him to be that.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[followjesus]

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And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Look at the commas ^^^^

1 john 4:15 "Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, ....God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


1 john 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,.... that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

in other words the understanding Gave Jesus to Know the God that no man has ever seen, the true God, His father and that understanding only comes through the gospel, the words and knowledge of Jesus His Son.

john 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

same thing John is saying in 1 john, Jesus gave us the inderstanding of the true God, who has never been seen keep in mind john wrote this after he saw Jesus many times, even leaned against Him at the last supper.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God

john 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

any child comes from His Father. the word was made flesh

Luke 1:31-33 "And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

The angel was speaking the word of God to mary and then

1 :38 "And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

thats the Word made flesh, that Jesus would be the Son of God, and God would give unto Him those things. just Like He "has made the same Jesus both Lord and Christ.


God is the Father, Jesus is His only beogottn Son conceived by the Word of God.

so who is Jesus? the Son of the Living God who came to give us understanding of the true God, and to teach us that we are in the true God

 

[followjesus]

This is no laughing matter.

You seem to believe that "Son of God" means that Jesus is inferior or junior to God the Father in essence/nature. All that scripture in the Bible does not disagree with the fact that Jesus is God because Son of God means that Jesus is God in the flesh.

John 1:1 clearly says - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and "the Word was God." John 1:14 says - "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us." This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. That's the reason He is called, "Son of God." Jesus had two natures. He was fully man and fully God. Unfortunately, you have a "different" Jesus who was not God and you have perverted the gospel of the grace of Christ.

You seem to believe that "Son of God" means that Jesus is inferior or junior to God the Father in essence/nature. All that scripture in the Bible does not disagree with the fact that Jesus is God because Son of God means that Jesus is God in the flesh.

the Son is never equal to the Father, the father Gave Him Life.

So yeah i believe this

john 14:18 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( because Jesus said it and maintained it)

I also Believe that Jesus the Son of God Has a God and Father, the same as His disciples

john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

seems Jesus was pretty Convinced that God His Father was greater than He was, and that He acknowledged that His Father and God, was our Father and God who believe in Him the Son of God, that God gave all things unto.

So yes God is Greater than His Son Jesus who is the Christ and was exalted By God to sit at His right hand and made both Lord and Christ. made the One mediator between God and man, but its simply Just because thats what is written and what Jesus Himself made really clear

john 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

john 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

john 5:19 "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

john 12:49-50 "For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


seems my thinking has an aweful Lot of pretty clear scripture indicating that Jesus didnt See Himself equal to God, nor did He make the claim to Be God. as He says, i believe not people trying to explain He is not who He said.


Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God"

1 corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


acts 2:22 "Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[miknik5]

lol i do worship Jesus as my Lord and savior, the Son of God, and through that I worship the One true and Only God, yaweh Who is the Father of yeshua Jesus. it seems to be you folks denying things so clearly set forth like this

matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

its not me who doesnt understand that Gods Son is to be honored as Both Lord and Christ, itsthe thinking that Jesus is the Father, so to Hear " God sent His only begotten Son" is hard for you to accept.

to see that Jesus is One with God and so are His disciples is Hard to accept because if " Being One wth God makes Jesus God, then Beiong one with God through Jesus would also mean God is manifest in all of us making us God as well. thats where that Thinking Leads to and why its of base. If Jesus is the Son of God, then being one with Jesus makes us children of God. whoi dwells in us only through the truth that : Jesus is the Son of God" thats where my thinking Leads.

Im not willing to follow anything not taught in the Bible because it will always lead us astray. we are children of God, through Faith in His Son, there is only 1 God who is in all and through all, only because Jesus Hois Sonn is in all and through all that believe. Gotta Just stay with what is there, if " Jesus is God" that statement would be clear and repetetive in the Bible rather than always making the distinction between the 2. God the Father, Jesus His only begotten, the Christ and Lord because God made Him to be that.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

well review John 6 and see if you are in agreement with what the ETERNAL WORD said of those to whom
THE WORD Of GOD has come

 

[Denadii]

this is not to create an argument, nor to belittle your personal belief its a long post mostly all scripture please consider the message of the Only begotten Son of God, it is life eternal...May God bless you in the name of His oNly begotten Son.

2 corinthians 13:1 "This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established".


The witness of God the Father


1 John 5: 9-12 "If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."


Jesus baptism.


matthew 3:16-17 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


Jesus transfigured


mark 9:2-7 " There He was transfigured before them.And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. ( Notice 3 witnesses of this on earth, peter James and john. and 3 witnesses in Heaven God, elijah and moses. ) then remember this


peters confirmation of Gods voice speaking this.
2 peter 1:17-18 "For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount


the witness of the Son of God


mark 14:61-62 "But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"


John 10:36 "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"


John 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand."




the witness of the holy spirit, according to paul


romans 1:1-4 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead"


the witness of the spirit according to John


1 john 5:5-6 "Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth." see the witness in us (1 john 5:9-12)


the witness of the apostles


Peters witness and Jesus it is blessed and comes from God.


matthew 16:16-17 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven


the entire purpose of Johns Gospel


john 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."


Pauls witness to who He preached as Jesus


2 corinthians 1:19 "For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.


the witnes of Hebrews


Hebrews 1:2-4 "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they."


1 peter 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"


the witness 2 more disciples


martha


john 11:27 "She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.


The ethiopien at His baptism


acts 8:37 "And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."


the Son of God is worshipped.
matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.




is there any question who Jesus is? there shouldnt be we can find scattered scripture and make the argument " Jesus is God" or " christ is God" its strange that all these biblical witnesses stick with very plain and straight forward words" Jesus is the Christ and Son of the Living God" and that the phrases " Jesus is God" or the Christ is God" do not appear anywhere in the Bible. and further that there is no verse saying " Unless someone believes the Jesus is God, they are wrong"


try not to make this a belief and rewuirement for anyone even if your own belief is that Jesus is God, because that Belief is not what is written for Christians to believe and confess. and in a way, its borderline denying that God has a Son. yet " the confession Jesus is the Son of God is approved and required belief that offers eternal Life. think it over. God has a Son His name Is Jesus. <<< tell people about Gods Only begotten, thats who God is telling us about.


The Life offered from the One true God, who is the Father of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, is found built upon accepting that God has an only begotten Son, that He sent into the World, to save us. there is no argument to this fact. sure "doubting thomas" says when He touches Jesus " My Lord and My God" and sure, the prohet says " He will be CALLED the mighty God, and eternal Father. thats just true some do call Him God, and the name of the Father still today passes to thier son.


the only truth of who is Jesus....is very plain and consistant for salvation and all the blessing of God, to believe in the name of Jesus Christ, His only begotten Son.

What's to decide? Jesus IS the only begotten son of God.

 

[miknik5]

I meant John 10 with regards to whom
the WORD of GOD has come


by the way, can HE choose to whom
THE WORD of GOD will come?

can HE open or close THE DOOR as HE chooses?

and if HE chooses to close the DOOR, can any man do anything about it

 

[bluto]

Here you go again notfollowingjesus? First of all no Trinitarian is going to teach that Jesus Christ is God the Father. That is not what John 14:7-12 according the the context. Secondly, you made this statement, "you are basing this on what the inbelieving jews said. it is they who believed The statement I am Gods Son was claiming equality with God, Jesus never did that. they were offended of the statements Jesus made about being His Son."

Do you know how many hundreds of times I have heard this excuse that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying? Let me put it this way in the form of a question? "Whether or not the Jews are correctly or incorrectly understanding Jesus is not the issue. The issue is what was it that JESUS SAID that caused them to say He was claiminbg to be God that so upset the Jews?

In other words, the Jews are responsding to what Jesus said that caused them to want to kill Him. So what did Jesus say at John 5:17,"My Father is working until now, and Myself am working." The Jews rightly understand that Jesus is making Himself equal with God by calling God the Father His own Father. Just read v s18.

How about John 8:58 where Jesus says, "Truly truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born I am!" What did the Jews do in reaction at John 8:59? Again they wanted to kill Him. And btw, Jesus Christ created Abraham. What about John 10:30 when Jesus simply said, "I and My Father, We are one." This does not mean in context that Jesus and the Father are one in purpose. We already know they are one in purpose. How did the Jews react at John 10:31? "The Jews took up stones AGAIN to stone Him."

Now, why in the world do you think Jesus quotes Psalm 82:6 which says, "Has it not been written in your Law, "I said you are gods?"

By quoting Psalm 82:6 Jesus was making a very important point that you need to think about? What Jesus is simply doing is taking the Jews's statement about Him blaspheming to its logical conclusion to show they the Jews are being inconsistent. In effect, Jesus is saying, "If you say that I am blaspheming, you must also hold that God is blaspheming because He said to those by whom the word of God came, "ye are gods."

In other words, Jesus' usuage of Psalm 82:6 was to imply that what the Scriptures call humans allegorically, He was in actuality since He does what only God can do. And if anything the response of Jesus serves to reinforce to the Jewss that Jesus "though, only a human being," was making Himself the "Son of God" at John 10:36. In fact you do not see Jesus denying the charge. In short, IF the Jews did not understand what Jesus meant, you can't know?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Bumped for followjesus. nt

 

[followjesus]

well review John 6 and see if you are in agreement with what the ETERNAL WORD said of those to whom
THE WORD Of GOD has come

its very simple and this argument is nonsesnse " Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God" God exalted Him to sit at His right hand as david prophecied. you can go through the Whole Bible and it wont say " Jesus is God" but it will say a hundred times over Jesus is the Son of God" the Father is God, the Son is Jesus, and through Faith in Jesus the son of God, we receive the spirit of God. making us children of God. thats what chirsitnaity is all about. ive already reveiwed the Hily bible for 30 years, praying for understanding, so there isnt a scripture in john 6 that will change what the message of God is to us reveiw John 3:16-18 and reconcile that with the thinking God didnt send His Only begotten Son to save us. yes God was in Him, God is a spirit who lives in Jesus, and through Faith they Live in us as well.




john 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 3 persons 1 spirit One God, His Son Jesus, and the believer.

scripture says of receiving the word " ye are gods" thats not the same as God. little g, big G. theres only 1 God, he doesnt change or shift, only One begotten Son of God, He doesnt change or shift, and only One way to the Father and it doesnt change or shift. find the truth of the gospel in matthew. mark, Luke and John. its the truth that God sent His Only begotten Son to save us and reconcile us to God.



1 timothy 2 :5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 

[followjesus]

What's to decide? Jesus IS the only begotten son of God.

amen. and amen

john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[graceNpeace]

....
to see that Jesus is One with God and so are His disciples is Hard to accept because if " Being One wth God makes Jesus God, then Beiong one with God through Jesus would also mean God is manifest in all of us making us God as well. thats where that Thinking Leads to and why its of base. If Jesus is the Son of God, then being one with Jesus makes us children of God. whoi dwells in us only through the truth that : Jesus is the Son of God" thats where my thinking Leads.
....

Unbelievably false!

Jesus Christ is not only one with God, He is God!

In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!

A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians.

Denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, denies the cross, and what Jesus Christ achieved on the cross.
What Jesus Christ did on the cross, and vindicated by His resurrection, is the centrality of Christianity.
Remove that, and Jesus just becomes another Messianic pretender who died a grisly and pathetic death for nothing!

Your heretical philosophy (cannot dignify this by calling it a theology) denies the divinity of Jesus Christ and so excludes you utterly and completely from the Christian fold.

 

[miknik5]

[QUOTE=followjesus;3134632]lol i do worship Jesus as my Lord and savior, the Son of God, and through that I worship the One true and Only God, yaweh Who is the Father of yeshua Jesus. it seems to be you folks denying things so clearly set forth like this

matthew 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

its not me who doesnt understand that Gods Son is to be honored as Both Lord and Christ, itsthe thinking that Jesus is the Father, so to Hear " God sent His only begotten Son" is hard for you to accept.[/QUOTE]

according to John's testimony THE SON is to be honored just as THE FATHER

[/quote]to see that Jesus is One with God and so are His disciples is Hard to accept because if " Being One wth God makes Jesus God, then Beiong one with God through Jesus would also mean God is manifest in all of us making us God as well. thats where that Thinking Leads to and why its of base. If Jesus is the Son of God, then being one with Jesus makes us children of God. whoi dwells in us only through the truth that : Jesus is the Son of God" thats where my thinking Leads.

In light of this paragraph, are you in agreement that he are gods to whom the WORD of GOD has come?
not that we are gods in the sense that spray from him we have any power of holiness but because it is through HIM alone that we have eternal life [/quote]
Im not willing to follow anything not taught in the Bible because it will always lead us astray. we are children of God, through Faith in His Son, there is only 1 God who is in all and through all, only because Jesus Hois Sonn is in all and through all that believe. Gotta Just stay with what is there, if " Jesus is God" that statement would be clear and repetetive in the Bible rather than always making the distinction between the 2. God the Father, Jesus His only begotten, the Christ and Lord because God made Him to be that.

acts 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[/QUOTE]
According to JOHN 10 One DOOR/GATE/WAY into THAT HOUSE
And according to JOHN 10 HE alone is the ONE who opens and closes THE DOOR and is HIMSELF THE DOOR into THE KINGDOM

 

[miknik5]

amen. and amen

john 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Amen

that whosoever believes in HIM (even those who believe in HIS NAME) should not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE


Do you believe this?

Because jihn 3:16 through John 3:18 1/2 is THE PROMISE

While John 3:18(the remaining half) through John 3:20 is the CONDEMNATION

 

[Denadii]

Unbelievably false!

Jesus Christ is not only one with God, He is God!

In NO WAY does that elevate any Christian believer to the status of God.
Yes, we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but no, that DOES NOT make us God in any way, shape, or form!

A Christian is a Christian, because they believe that the death that Jesus Christ died on the cross, and the blood that He shed, was a propitiation for sin. If Jesus Christ was not God then He was just a man and therefore not sinless. As such, He could not have been the propitiation for our sin.
Furthermore we DO NOT follow Jesus Christ to become a Christian, we follow Jesus Christ BECAUSE we are Christians.

Denying the divinity of Jesus Christ, denies the cross, and what Jesus Christ achieved on the cross.
What Jesus Christ did on the cross, and vindicated by His resurrection, is the centrality of Christianity.
Remove that, and Jesus just becomes another Messianic pretender who died a grisly and pathetic death for nothing!

Your heretical philosophy (cannot dignify this by calling it a theology) denies the divinity of Jesus Christ and so excludes you utterly and completely from the Christian fold.

What you don't know can choke you. Religious nonsense.

 

[graceNpeace]

What you don't know can choke you. Religious nonsense.

So, according to you Jesus Christ is not God , then?
Interesting!
Are you then in accord with followjesus?

 

[miknik5]

What you don't know is the difference between those standing firmly in THE FOUNDATION and those who aren't


GOD said pay careful attention to THE FOUNDATION

But it appears that msnybwsmt to add more to the FOUNDATION than what was laid

and that by GOD

because HE alone is the ROCK curnout from THE MOUNTAIN


BUT NOT BY HUMAN HANDS

and if we are not in HIM than we are still outside THE DOOR and no amount of clinging to HIS teachings on paper can bring us into THE HOUSE unless we come to THE ONE who washes and makes clean before GOD what apart from HIM washing is not clean before GOD

 

[MattforJesus]

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,God and man in harmony,and according to Jesus' deity He is God with no beginning,and according to His humanity He has a beginning.

All God's Spirit cannot fit in a human body,and God manifest in the flesh means He manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,because God cannot be separated,making Jesus more than a visible manifestation of God,and the man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God,which the Bible says God laid His life down for the saints,and purchased the Church with His own blood.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Jesus cannot be a created God,for there was no God formed after God,and there is no such thing as a created God,for God means supreme being,and a creation is not a supreme being.

The Bible calls Jesus the mighty God,the Almighty,God manifest in the flesh.

The Bible says when the Son comes He will be from everlasting,which means no beginning.

The Bible says the Savior to come will be God Himself.

God said there is no Savior beside Him,and He is the only Savior.

There was no God formed after God,so if the Bible calls Jesus,God,Lord,the Almighty,then He has to be God that has no beginning according to His deity.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Jesus is more than a visible God,for He dwells outside that visible manifestation as the omnipresent Spirit of God,that dwells in the light that no person can approach unto,and no person can see Jesus,and no person will ever see Jesus as the invisible God.