Why Were the Jewish Feasts, Gods Feasts, Removed from Christianity.

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miknik5

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Before you start giving me a list of your most righteous deeds, I want to remind you of both Matthew 6 and Philippians 3
 

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It seems that you have missed my point completely My point is....We are bound to follow the law...and I showed you how.
Okay

How do you justify yourself before GOD when by HIS SPIRIT it is declsted that HE has bound all in disobedience
 

miknik5

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And it's interesting because romans 11:32 considers disobedience synonymous to unbelief
 

JaumeJ

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In defense of sharing the glory of God in His children's deeds (gven them by the Father), Paul would not only talk about his experiences, he would list them in his letters..... I believe it is edifying to share what God has given us in His miraculous way.

Before you start giving me a list of your most righteous deeds, I want to remind you of both Matthew 6 and Philippians 3
 

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If someone wants to celebrate the feasts, it's a good thing. It's either looking back to what Jesus has done or it's looking forward to the three that haven't been fulfilled yet.
I agree. I was thinking the same thing.

I think legalism is the issue. So many fear getting tangled up in that messy web, so they just prefer to steer clear. Some will even accuse others of observing something as a necessary requirement when they are only doing it out of remembrance.

I personally see nothing wrong with observing the feasts, if this is what the person chooses to do, just so long as they remember that observing them is not a requirement, rather their focus should be on Jesus as fulfilling these various feasts. Maybe they could even modify by focusing on the NT scriptures that unite with the OT ones, concerning these specific feasts?

There aren't any Jewish people in my family (just long distant ones), but I would have no issue observing these feasts, just that I would always be acknowledging Jesus in them. I would also want my faith known so I didn't mislead anyone into thinking I was Jewish or supported the Jewish rejection of Jesus & the NT scriptures.

The ones in red are not yet fulfilled.


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1) Passover (Leviticus 23:5) – Pointed to the Messiah as our Passover lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7) whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover at the same hour that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening (John 19:14).

2) Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:6) – Pointed to the Messiah's sinless life (as leaven is a picture of sin in the Bible), making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus' body was in the grave during the first days of this feast, like a kernel of wheat planted and waiting to burst forth as the bread of life.

3) First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10) – Pointed to the Messiah's resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day, which is one of the reasons that Paul refers to him in 1 Corinthians 15:20 as the "first fruits from the dead."

4) Weeks or Pentecost (Leviticus 23:16) – Occurred fifty days after the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and pointed to the great harvest of souls and the gift of the Holy Spirit for both Jew and Gentile, who would be brought into the kingdom of God during the Church Age (see Acts 2). The Church was actually established on this day when God poured out His Holy Spirit and 3,000 Jews responded to Peter's great sermon and his first proclamation of the gospel.

5) Trumpets (Leviticus 23:24) – The first of the fall feasts. Many believe this day points to the Rapture of the Church when the Messiah Jesus will appear in the heavens as He comes for His bride, the Church. The Rapture is always associated in Scripture with the blowing of a loud trumpet (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:52).

6) Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:27) – Many believe this prophetically points to the day of the Second Coming of Jesus when He will return to earth. That will be the Day of Atonement for the Jewish remnant when they "look upon Him whom they have pierced," repent of their sins, and receive Him as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10 and Romans 11:1-6, 25-36).

7) Tabernacles or Booths (Leviticus 23:34) – Many scholars believe that this feast day points to the Lord's promise that He will once again “tabernacle” with His people when He returns to reign over all the world (Micah 4:1-7).
 

graceNpeace

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I agree. I was thinking the same thing.

I think legalism is the issue. So many fear getting tangled up in that messy web, so they just prefer to steer clear. Some will even accuse others of observing something as a necessary requirement when they are only doing it out of remembrance.

I personally see nothing wrong with observing the feasts, if this is what the person chooses to do, just so long as they remember that observing them is not a requirement, rather their focus should be on Jesus as fulfilling these various feasts. Maybe they could even modify by focusing on the NT scriptures that unite with the OT ones, concerning these specific feasts?

There aren't any Jewish people in my family (just long distant ones), but I would have no issue observing these feasts, just that I would always be acknowledging Jesus in them. I would also want my faith known so I didn't mislead anyone into thinking I was Jewish or supported the Jewish rejection of Jesus & the NT scriptures.

The ones in red are not yet fulfilled.


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1) Passover (Leviticus 23:5) – Pointed to the Messiah as our Passover lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7) whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover at the same hour that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening (John 19:14).

2) Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:6) – Pointed to the Messiah's sinless life (as leaven is a picture of sin in the Bible), making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus' body was in the grave during the first days of this feast, like a kernel of wheat planted and waiting to burst forth as the bread of life.

3) First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10) – Pointed to the Messiah's resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day, which is one of the reasons that Paul refers to him in 1 Corinthians 15:20 as the "first fruits from the dead."

4) Weeks or Pentecost (Leviticus 23:16) – Occurred fifty days after the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and pointed to the great harvest of souls and the gift of the Holy Spirit for both Jew and Gentile, who would be brought into the kingdom of God during the Church Age (see Acts 2). The Church was actually established on this day when God poured out His Holy Spirit and 3,000 Jews responded to Peter's great sermon and his first proclamation of the gospel.

5) Trumpets (Leviticus 23:24) – The first of the fall feasts. Many believe this day points to the Rapture of the Church when the Messiah Jesus will appear in the heavens as He comes for His bride, the Church. The Rapture is always associated in Scripture with the blowing of a loud trumpet (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:52).

6) Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:27) – Many believe this prophetically points to the day of the Second Coming of Jesus when He will return to earth. That will be the Day of Atonement for the Jewish remnant when they "look upon Him whom they have pierced," repent of their sins, and receive Him as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10 and Romans 11:1-6, 25-36).

7) Tabernacles or Booths (Leviticus 23:34) – Many scholars believe that this feast day points to the Lord's promise that He will once again “tabernacle” with His people when He returns to reign over all the world (Micah 4:1-7).
Back in South Africa I knew many Messianic Christians (Jews who had become born-again).
It was always a huge, and very educational, privilege, to be invited to just share an evening meal with them on a Friday night never mind one of the feasts!
They understood Jesus Christ in everything they did at these times - every action and every part of the meal had significance!

Fantastic people and fantastic the way that they could bring the OT and NT together!
I miss those friends a lot!

They also used these opportunities to witness to their Jewish friends and family how Jesus Christ is represented in the very things they had been doing for decades.
Incredibly powerful stuff to witness and participate in!
 

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Heh!,Day of Atonement, Yet future? It was the Jewish Remnant that accepted Christ at His first coming.

Jesus said (Luke 12:56) to the Jews:

[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]56 Hypocrites! You can discern the face of the sky and of the earth, but how is it you do not discern this time?[/FONT]

And it seems most Christians have the same blindfolds on.



Paul said this is the day of Salvation while quoting the OT (2 Corinthians 6):

[FONT=&quot]2 For He says:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]“In an acceptable time I have heard you,
And in the day of salvation I have helped you.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Behold, now [/FONT]is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.


Lastly, Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and ALL the prophets (Luke 24:27,44 and Matthew 5:17)

27 [FONT=&quot]And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

[h=3]The Scriptures Opened[/h][h=3]44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem[i] until you are endued with power from on high.”

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

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It seems that you have missed my point completely My point is....We are bound to follow the law...and I showed you how.
The law of Christ, not the Mosaic Law.
 

miknik5

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In defense of sharing the glory of God in His children's deeds (gven them by the Father), Paul would not only talk about his experiences, he would list them in his letters..... I believe it is edifying to share what God has given us in His miraculous way.
That's giving a testimony


I don't remember Paul listing anything he had done
in fact Paul wouldn't have
he wanted to be found in CHRIST not having a righteousness of his own
Paul wouldn't have declared anything but CHRIST
And that was Paul's one driving purpose:

to preach CHRIST
 

JaumeJ

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The foremost of his listing is a chapter devoted dto how he had suffered for the sake of the Kingdom, for Jesus....three days lost at sea adrift, beaten forty lashes less one etc...... These and all the others he listed are worthy of great reward in the kingdome, and he shared them, edifying all who heard.There are other places in hi sletters, but I do not have Paul on trial, I am simply sharing his good works........

That's giving a testimony


I don't remember Paul listing anything he had done
in fact Paul wouldn't have
he wanted to be found in CHRIST not having a righteousness of his own
Paul wouldn't have declared anything but CHRIST
And that was Paul's one driving purpose:

to preach CHRIST
 

miknik5

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The foremost of his listing is a chapter devoted dto how he had suffered for the sake of the Kingdom, for Jesus....three days lost at sea adrift, beaten forty lashes less one etc...... These and all the others he listed are worthy of great reward in the kingdome, and he shared them, edifying all who heard.There are other places in hi sletters, but I do not have Paul on trial, I am simply sharing his good works........
Go ahead then

you are free to begin listing all the good works that "you" did.

or you can just do them and say I am only a servant I did what was expected (as a servant of THE LORD)
 

miknik5

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2 Corinthians 11

i suggest you reread and then, if there is a reason for me to keep my flock from running to others who are preaching another Christ. I would then hope you would bear my boasting also


thats what paul did

he had to resort to justifying himself before the baby believers in his care because others were coming in and saying look what I did. Look what I did

where was Paul's works

so paul had to resort to that same kind of folly
 

miknik5

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Do you have any understanding of how humble Paul was
he knew the LORD was his help in all things

and he would never boast in himself
 

JaumeJ

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Are you attempting to tempt others to false pride? Have I indicated in my post I have aything to list? What kind of faith is that you have that you would conduct yourself so with brethren in Christ? May God bless you and help you always.

Go ahead then

you are free to begin listing all the good works that "you" did.

or you can just do them and say I am only a servant I did what was expected (as a servant of THE LORD)
 

JaumeJ

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Again, Paul is not on trial in my mind nor in the minds of otehrs who believe. If one cannot cite a true example of what he has written without being accused of defaming him, I am afrad the person sling the accusations cannot be truste fro true fellowship.

I hope you are not conducting your interactions with others in this sam way.

Do you have any understanding of how humble Paul was
he knew the LORD was his help in all things

and he would never boast in himself
 

miknik5

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Again, Paul is not on trial in my mind nor in the minds of otehrs who believe. If one cannot cite a true example of what he has written without being accused of defaming him, I am afrad the person sling the accusations cannot be truste fro true fellowship.

I hope you are not conducting your interactions with others in this sam way.
Im so sorry you thought that and am offended that I am amazed at how humble Paul really was
And you thought I was accusing you for not seeing it?

nope

i was simply exclaiming that he suffered all things to gain CHRIST sp as to be found in HIM and I don't think that I can do that
 

miknik5

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So no

i have no works that i can exalt above the GIFT of GOD

And I am hoping that I will not have to suffer the "works" which Paul suffered for the sake and glory of CHRIST's NAME because I am not that brave
 

miknik5

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Would you like to know the works that will be exalted?

you can review revelation and Hebrews 11 also reminds us of the works of those who held to the faith and did not love their lives even to death
 

JaumeJ

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Let's see. You invited me to start listing "my works." Well, I do have many "orks" under my spiritual belt, and when it is appropriate I do mention them.

Now, no work is mine, not when the Holy Spirit has acted using me as a vessel. So yo will never have any works "listed by me" that are mine. All glory is to God in Jesus Christ. It could be not other way.

When I have healed, do you honestly believe I healed anyone? It was the Holy Spirit working through me.

When I have experienced the gift of knowledge for the benefit of the person I was being used to share with, do you think I aqm psychic? Not by a long shot, but the Holy Spirit has given me what to say.,

So it is with all the brethren who avail themselves to God to be used for His works. I have known this since I first was entred into b the Holy Spirit, and it always surpises me so many brothers and sisters will speak as thoguh any person possessing any of the gifts thinks he is working the miracles.

God is good all of the time.......all of the time. All glory to God for without Him there is nothing.
 

miknik5

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Here's my testimony

HE healed me spiritually first
and then HE healed me physically


I didn't do or contribute anything to either

now I just do what I'm supposed to do
not thinking too highly of myself as i do it