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Absolutely, that's what persecution is all about.
I got people persecuting me everywhere I go and I use to have a very bad temper because it's just part of my nature so consequently I sometimes have violent thoughts about these persecuters but God helped me control my natural inclination for violence because of the persecution.
I tell you that I feel so much better for it.
I'm not trying to be altruistic.
Practically speaking if I sinned against those that sin against me? They woulda strapped me to a chair and lit me up long ago.
I got people persecuting me everywhere I go and I use to have a very bad temper because it's just part of my nature so consequently I sometimes have violent thoughts about these persecuters but God helped me control my natural inclination for violence because of the persecution.
I tell you that I feel so much better for it.
I'm not trying to be altruistic.
Practically speaking if I sinned against those that sin against me? They woulda strapped me to a chair and lit me up long ago.
G
Yes, although if you are sinned against, it is mightily hard to forgive sometimes. If the trespass against you is bad enough, it may take Jesus to give you a supernatural ability to forgive. There is a man in a ministry for youth in jail. His name is Richard Marx. His childhood was horrific. He suffered all kinds of abuse at the hands of his stepfather. Yet, after he got saved, he was able to forgive his stepfather and witness to him about the saving power of Jesus. It had to take a special supernatural forgiveness.
I have been meaning to post his testimony for a while. I think it is a very good witness. I believe the Lord let Richard Marx go through this evil because now, he is reaching out to kids with the gospel who could not otherwise be reached. Like one of the kids in the documentary says, Marx knows where these kids are coming from, because he was abused, too.
I have been meaning to post his testimony for a while. I think it is a very good witness. I believe the Lord let Richard Marx go through this evil because now, he is reaching out to kids with the gospel who could not otherwise be reached. Like one of the kids in the documentary says, Marx knows where these kids are coming from, because he was abused, too.
Yes. It is true that it is better to be sinned against than to sin against others.
1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?[SUP]8 [/SUP]Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Loving this world and the treasures in this world may prove to be a hindrance in any believer being willing to go when the Bridegroom comes and so both parties not willing to be give up the dispute, are at risk.
It is a hard thing to give up what is valued to a believer that you deem as unjust, but vengeance is the Lord's. And when it is a sinner, vengeance is still the Lord's, but we are called to lean on Him to be better than just letting it go & forgive.
Romans 12:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.[SUP]18 [/SUP]If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
I honestly have not begun rejoicing when persecuted. I am not sure how to apply that since doing it in front of the enemy will just make you look nuts and antagonistic as if daring the persecutor to make you stop rejoicing by attacking you some more. I am pretty sure it is referring to when we are alone or with other believers that share your suffering to rejoice.
I can rejoice in spirit by enjoying His peace in spite of the oppressive atmosphere I am under. At least being in this way, I look forward to the Bridegroom in taking me Home to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb above for He is my hope in all this.
1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]6 [/SUP]But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.[SUP]7 [/SUP]Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?[SUP]8 [/SUP]Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Loving this world and the treasures in this world may prove to be a hindrance in any believer being willing to go when the Bridegroom comes and so both parties not willing to be give up the dispute, are at risk.
It is a hard thing to give up what is valued to a believer that you deem as unjust, but vengeance is the Lord's. And when it is a sinner, vengeance is still the Lord's, but we are called to lean on Him to be better than just letting it go & forgive.
Romans 12:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.[SUP]18 [/SUP]If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
I honestly have not begun rejoicing when persecuted. I am not sure how to apply that since doing it in front of the enemy will just make you look nuts and antagonistic as if daring the persecutor to make you stop rejoicing by attacking you some more. I am pretty sure it is referring to when we are alone or with other believers that share your suffering to rejoice.
I can rejoice in spirit by enjoying His peace in spite of the oppressive atmosphere I am under. At least being in this way, I look forward to the Bridegroom in taking me Home to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb above for He is my hope in all this.
1 O LORD my God, in You I put my trust; Save me from all those who persecute me;
And deliver me,
2 Lest they tear me like a lion,
Rending me in pieces, while there is none to deliver.
3 O LORD my God, if I have done this:
If there is iniquity in my hands,
4 If I have repaid evil to him who was at peace with me,
Or have plundered my enemy without cause,
5 Let the enemy pursue me and overtake me;
Yes, let him trample my life to the earth,
And lay my honor in the dust. Psalm 7:1–5 (NKJV)
And deliver me,
2 Lest they tear me like a lion,
Rending me in pieces, while there is none to deliver.
3 O LORD my God, if I have done this:
If there is iniquity in my hands,
4 If I have repaid evil to him who was at peace with me,
Or have plundered my enemy without cause,
5 Let the enemy pursue me and overtake me;
Yes, let him trample my life to the earth,
And lay my honor in the dust. Psalm 7:1–5 (NKJV)
It's my opinion that non believers can be influenced to try to make True Believers sin so's they go to hell.
They do this without even being aware of it because demons get in their heads and take over.
I've been called crazy for thinking this but it's true.
If you don't have absolute faith in God's advice and prove it by living specifically by what He says then He can't protect you from those demon folk.
It's not that He won't but He can't,you see?...it's not His fault, it's your fault for not having the necessary faith.
Right now I'm being persecuted by many people because they are doing the work of Satan,many unknowingly.
They aren't inherently bad but by not having absolute faith that His advice is meant to be literal and precise they are consequently bad.
Unfortunately they prolly going to hell.
He don't want that ya see? That's why He gave us literal precise direction on how to not be in that situation.
They do this without even being aware of it because demons get in their heads and take over.
I've been called crazy for thinking this but it's true.
If you don't have absolute faith in God's advice and prove it by living specifically by what He says then He can't protect you from those demon folk.
It's not that He won't but He can't,you see?...it's not His fault, it's your fault for not having the necessary faith.
Right now I'm being persecuted by many people because they are doing the work of Satan,many unknowingly.
They aren't inherently bad but by not having absolute faith that His advice is meant to be literal and precise they are consequently bad.
Unfortunately they prolly going to hell.
He don't want that ya see? That's why He gave us literal precise direction on how to not be in that situation.
G
You give man much too much power. There is nothing that can separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:35-39
The security of the believer:
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor ANY OTHER CREATURE, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
The Bible says very clearly to not be afraid of other people. Even Satan can't touch God's elect. "Greater is He that is within you than he that is within the world."
The security of the believer:
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor ANY OTHER CREATURE, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
The Bible says very clearly to not be afraid of other people. Even Satan can't touch God's elect. "Greater is He that is within you than he that is within the world."
"Lev 19:17. thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour—Instead of cherishing latent feelings of malice or meditating purposes of revenge against a person who has committed an insult or injury against them, God’s people were taught to remonstrate with the offender and endeavor, by calm and kindly reason, to bring him to a sense of his fault.
not suffer sin upon him—literally, “that ye may not participate in his sin.”" Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 1, p. 87). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
"Lk 23:34 forgive them. I.e., His tormentors, both Jews and Romans (cf. Acts 7:60). Some of the fruit of this prayer can be in the salvation of thousands of people in Jerusalem at Pentecost (Acts 2:41). they do not know what they do. I.e., they were not aware of the full scope of their wickedness. They did not recognize Him as the true Messiah (Acts 13:27, 28). They were blind to the light of divine truth, “For if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory” (1 Cor. 2:8). Still, their ignorance certainly did not mean that they deserved forgiveness; rather, their spiritual blindness itself was a manifestation of their guilt (John 3:19). But Christ’s prayer while they were in the very act of mocking Him is an expression of the boundless compassion of divine grace." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1564). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
not suffer sin upon him—literally, “that ye may not participate in his sin.”" Jamieson, R., Fausset, A. R., & Brown, D. (1997). Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (Vol. 1, p. 87). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
"Lk 23:34 forgive them. I.e., His tormentors, both Jews and Romans (cf. Acts 7:60). Some of the fruit of this prayer can be in the salvation of thousands of people in Jerusalem at Pentecost (Acts 2:41). they do not know what they do. I.e., they were not aware of the full scope of their wickedness. They did not recognize Him as the true Messiah (Acts 13:27, 28). They were blind to the light of divine truth, “For if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory” (1 Cor. 2:8). Still, their ignorance certainly did not mean that they deserved forgiveness; rather, their spiritual blindness itself was a manifestation of their guilt (John 3:19). But Christ’s prayer while they were in the very act of mocking Him is an expression of the boundless compassion of divine grace." MacArthur, J., Jr. (Ed.). (1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed., p. 1564). Nashville, TN: Word Pub.
Yes. If you trespass, you are in danger of hell. If someone trespasses against you, you have the ability to forgive them and hide their sin.
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
the fact your still looking at sin ,only shows that you have no context to what the bible has instructed the reader to understand.
if you have no context ,then you will never have a correct foundation.
if the jewish were told break one sin, you break them all. but this is christian chat and forum web site, not a jewish chat or forum web site,by still looking at sin, you have no idea what a christian is or what they can be taught, just by reading the bible. (without a belief) so then acts 10 and acts 15 , was only put in place to be read and ignored by so called religious studies , that think political correctness will move the truth of a foundation that became a christian belief system. when the only thing it will do is blind them that think opinion was formed by guessing or having an opinion. with no foundation you have nothing to build on. and when the storm comes your opinionated house will fall.
Build Your House on the Rock
46 "Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you?47 Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like:48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.49 But the one who hears and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the stream broke against it, immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great."Luke 6
when was the foundation given , would that be after jesus was back in heaven or before.
if you have no context ,then you will never have a correct foundation.
if the jewish were told break one sin, you break them all. but this is christian chat and forum web site, not a jewish chat or forum web site,by still looking at sin, you have no idea what a christian is or what they can be taught, just by reading the bible. (without a belief) so then acts 10 and acts 15 , was only put in place to be read and ignored by so called religious studies , that think political correctness will move the truth of a foundation that became a christian belief system. when the only thing it will do is blind them that think opinion was formed by guessing or having an opinion. with no foundation you have nothing to build on. and when the storm comes your opinionated house will fall.
Build Your House on the Rock
46 "Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do what I tell you?47 Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I will show you what he is like:48 he is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not shake it, because it had been well built.49 But the one who hears and does not do them is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. When the stream broke against it, immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great."Luke 6
when was the foundation given , would that be after jesus was back in heaven or before.
Yes because sinners will face the judgement of God for what they have done.. And God will avenge His children .. So those who sin against us face a far more terrible outcome then we could ever inflict upon them.. If i did someone wrong i would much rather face vengence from them then the vengence of the LORD..
A true Christian who through faith and love of God turns their cheek to someone who had done them wrong is the most dangerious human being you would never want to mess with.. Woe to anyone who is destined to face the vengence of the LORD...
Romans 12:KJV
19 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. {20} Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."
A true Christian who through faith and love of God turns their cheek to someone who had done them wrong is the most dangerious human being you would never want to mess with.. Woe to anyone who is destined to face the vengence of the LORD...
Romans 12:KJV
19 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. {20} Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head."