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Obediance is not acting on inpulse on your first thoughts billy .... peter give me some sound advice on this the other day and that is to question our thoughts befor speaking...
This is obediance to billy.lad... its called being in line with instruction to commune with God befor posting..
This is obediance to billy.lad... its called being in line with instruction to commune with God befor posting..
I never said it was acting on impulse.
If you have taken that from my post let me know why and I will try to clarify.
As I said I agree with PJ and how love in us should work out in us which brings obedience.
PJ correct me if I got your post wrong.
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Wow you totally missed the point.
It explains a lot.
They all obey the law for different reasons.
Only one of the three have a saving faith in Jesus, his redeeming work on the cross and ressurection. Only one will inherit eternal life. The heirs.
The slave obeys the law because he is afraid he will be punished if he doesn't.
The servant obeys the law because he expects to be paid or get a reward.
A heir/child obeys out of love for His father and a true understanding of the fathers will.
Want to throw another insult at me today? Or will you actually apologize for your previous ones?
1. For hypocritically rebuking me for your misreading of the conversation about the matthew 6 passage I was discussing with Willybob (which you still haven't told him that it's to disciples/believers and not hypocrites as he claims)
2, for insinuations that I am too stupid to teach kids that it "scares you"
I have to say I am disappointed in you. I thought you had more maturity but you have proven me wrong,
It explains a lot.
They all obey the law for different reasons.
Only one of the three have a saving faith in Jesus, his redeeming work on the cross and ressurection. Only one will inherit eternal life. The heirs.
The slave obeys the law because he is afraid he will be punished if he doesn't.
The servant obeys the law because he expects to be paid or get a reward.
A heir/child obeys out of love for His father and a true understanding of the fathers will.
Want to throw another insult at me today? Or will you actually apologize for your previous ones?
1. For hypocritically rebuking me for your misreading of the conversation about the matthew 6 passage I was discussing with Willybob (which you still haven't told him that it's to disciples/believers and not hypocrites as he claims)
2, for insinuations that I am too stupid to teach kids that it "scares you"
I have to say I am disappointed in you. I thought you had more maturity but you have proven me wrong,
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Bill I think we all need to ask ourselves these questions from your song
If course the ladies will need to change wife to husband, and die to obey but the idea is there.
What is it that calls us to do? How does God call us to walk?
All good conversation.
However it doesn't change that we are saved by grace through faith and nothing we did can earn this free gift from God. "Not by works" is still true no matter how many people want to deny it .
(notice we are saved FOR good works NOT BY good works)
We are born again by His power and not our own. Do we have a saving faith in Christ and what he did upon the cross? Do we believe he rose again and ascended ito heaven? Do we have the Holy spirit to allow us to call God Abba father? Are we chastened and have our hearts and minds changed by walking with the Holy spirit? Are we a part of the body of Christ? Have we drink our milk and leaned how to eat meat? Are we firmly rooted in Christ? Are we mature and operating in the gifts of the Spirit, doing the works God created us to do?
God walks with us from the beginning when we first felt godly sorrow for our sins to the end when we will be glorified upon Christ return and the destruction of this world.
If course the ladies will need to change wife to husband, and die to obey but the idea is there.
What is it that calls us to do? How does God call us to walk?
All good conversation.
However it doesn't change that we are saved by grace through faith and nothing we did can earn this free gift from God. "Not by works" is still true no matter how many people want to deny it .
(notice we are saved FOR good works NOT BY good works)
We are born again by His power and not our own. Do we have a saving faith in Christ and what he did upon the cross? Do we believe he rose again and ascended ito heaven? Do we have the Holy spirit to allow us to call God Abba father? Are we chastened and have our hearts and minds changed by walking with the Holy spirit? Are we a part of the body of Christ? Have we drink our milk and leaned how to eat meat? Are we firmly rooted in Christ? Are we mature and operating in the gifts of the Spirit, doing the works God created us to do?
God walks with us from the beginning when we first felt godly sorrow for our sins to the end when we will be glorified upon Christ return and the destruction of this world.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying.
The reason I posted those lyrics is because it makes me think.
Am I loving people, whether it be my wife, the poor man I know the widow that I know.
I for sure believe we are saved by faith. We cannot escape that fact.
But we do have to examine ourselves or I should say that I ask God to examine my heart and reveal to me what he wants to deal within me.
The reason I posted those lyrics is because it makes me think.
Am I loving people, whether it be my wife, the poor man I know the widow that I know.
I for sure believe we are saved by faith. We cannot escape that fact.
But we do have to examine ourselves or I should say that I ask God to examine my heart and reveal to me what he wants to deal within me.
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2 Timothy 4:2 ►
New International Version
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
New Living Translation
Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching.
English Standard Version
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
Berean Study Bible
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction.
Berean Literal Bible
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; convict, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and instruction.
New American Standard Bible
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
King James Bible
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
New International Version
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
New Living Translation
Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching.
English Standard Version
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.
Berean Study Bible
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction.
Berean Literal Bible
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; convict, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and instruction.
New American Standard Bible
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
King James Bible
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
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Let me ask you this...,,,since I stated that they all obeyed the law....are all of them saved? Will all of them have eternal life?
Is it necessary to obey (aka never sin) to be saved? No.
Salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus death on the cross for the remission of sins, ressurection and ascension into heaven. Only those sealed with the Holy spirit and able to call God abba father have a true saving faith.the rest are just pretenders.
Is it necessary to obey (aka follow the Holy spirit) to become mature and grounded in Christ? Yes.
Therefore your question is incomplete.
Ahh another insult/lie instead of apology. I don't believe in easybelievism.
Is it necessary to obey (aka never sin) to be saved? No.
Salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus death on the cross for the remission of sins, ressurection and ascension into heaven. Only those sealed with the Holy spirit and able to call God abba father have a true saving faith.the rest are just pretenders.
Is it necessary to obey (aka follow the Holy spirit) to become mature and grounded in Christ? Yes.
Therefore your question is incomplete.
Ahh another insult/lie instead of apology. I don't believe in easybelievism.
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Amen UG......the life I know live I live by the FAITH OF THE SON OF GOD............he works IN US AND THROUGH US.....a very interesting point to be made.....
He had authority to lay his life down and TAKE IT UP AGAIN by the power and working of the Holy Spirit<--If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus dwell in you.......
Think about this...we live by his faith, his power, his Spirit dwelling in us.......that is why any work produced is of JESUS...apart from him we can do nothing....exactly why works do not save......they are the result of CHRIST already IN US BY FAITH.....
simple as even a child can understand it...........
He had authority to lay his life down and TAKE IT UP AGAIN by the power and working of the Holy Spirit<--If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus dwell in you.......
Think about this...we live by his faith, his power, his Spirit dwelling in us.......that is why any work produced is of JESUS...apart from him we can do nothing....exactly why works do not save......they are the result of CHRIST already IN US BY FAITH.....
simple as even a child can understand it...........
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"Living in the House of Grace" is a metaphor for Jesus.
My point is that the writer to Hebrews is telling the believers that they still needed to be taught the first principles
of God once more, because they were still needing Milk (first principles) but they needed to move on to spiritual maturity which is found in the meat.
The reason they were still feeding on the milk was because they were UNskillful in the word of RIGHTEOUSNESS which is Jesus, instead they were reverting back to the Law and keeping the Law or trying to repeat the first stages (Milk, the first principles) of their conversion to the faith in Jesus
While certainly "meat" carries with the ability to discern false teaching this is a result from being skillful in the word of Righteousness
Salvation is by righteousness, righteousness is found in Christ, that Righteousness becomes ours by faith. The meat is faith in the Righteousness of Christ, not reverting to obeying the law.
My point is that the writer to Hebrews is telling the believers that they still needed to be taught the first principles
of God once more, because they were still needing Milk (first principles) but they needed to move on to spiritual maturity which is found in the meat.
The reason they were still feeding on the milk was because they were UNskillful in the word of RIGHTEOUSNESS which is Jesus, instead they were reverting back to the Law and keeping the Law or trying to repeat the first stages (Milk, the first principles) of their conversion to the faith in Jesus
While certainly "meat" carries with the ability to discern false teaching this is a result from being skillful in the word of Righteousness
Salvation is by righteousness, righteousness is found in Christ, that Righteousness becomes ours by faith. The meat is faith in the Righteousness of Christ, not reverting to obeying the law.