Not By Works
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see how they are. They take things out of context, and judge, based on not what really occured (she did have a problem with her interpretation. And unlike them I showed her what I thought her problem was) And they call that judgmental.
The probem with them is they do not like to be told they are wrong. It is perfectly fine for them to judge others. Slander them with lies about what they believe, But how dare we even attempt to try to show them why we can not agree with them.
Talk about hypocrisy..
The probem with them is they do not like to be told they are wrong. It is perfectly fine for them to judge others. Slander them with lies about what they believe, But how dare we even attempt to try to show them why we can not agree with them.
Talk about hypocrisy..
No...actually the most destructive false gospel started with Cain when he offered his works....just as you do...and this reply of yours is ignorant....we are to give verses, make the sense known and a reasonable application......the truth is simple....YOU reject verb tense, context and verbiage while pushing the EXACT dogma JESUS speaks to when he speaks of the plenteous in number that gets cast from his presence....I suggest you lay his words concerning said coming event along side your false dogma and then embrace the truth before you find out a day late!
AMEN.....exactly why the biblical definition of hope is a confident expectation of something GUARANTEED......GOD who CANNOT LIE has promised these profound truths.....exactly why those who push works or the ability to lose salvation devalue and degrade the work of Christ and in so doing water down his blood.....a working for dogma does not save anyone or keep them saved.....
The whole point of discussion is to identify what is a position or opinion and what is
logical and a good foundation. People have many reasons for believing different things
and the logic may not be part of it.
So you can build a framework of belief and show how it works. You can also show another
framework and why you feel it fails.
Hopefully the people involved can respect participants and believe they come to look at the
issues fairly and with a good spirit.
Now just calling people names, accusing them of lying and slandering undermines any respect
or validity in a position. Equally disowning statements as invalid, miss out the step as to what
the statements actually are. Once one agrees what the statements mean you can then go on
to say why they do not apply. It maybe by clarifying what they mean, is really the reason why
some disown the statements while others embrace them.
For instance Paul says he is free to do anything, but he is actually saying within the confinds of
food, ceremonies, and sharing with unbelievers. Some would think this actually means in everything
moral, honouring God or the law. But it is always possible to take words out of their context and meaning
to try and create an obvious extension which leads to a total distortion of the writers intension.
As you can show with discussion between Whitfield and Wesley these points are centuries old, and it is
more about where you put yourself on the sliding scale.
logical and a good foundation. People have many reasons for believing different things
and the logic may not be part of it.
So you can build a framework of belief and show how it works. You can also show another
framework and why you feel it fails.
Hopefully the people involved can respect participants and believe they come to look at the
issues fairly and with a good spirit.
Now just calling people names, accusing them of lying and slandering undermines any respect
or validity in a position. Equally disowning statements as invalid, miss out the step as to what
the statements actually are. Once one agrees what the statements mean you can then go on
to say why they do not apply. It maybe by clarifying what they mean, is really the reason why
some disown the statements while others embrace them.
For instance Paul says he is free to do anything, but he is actually saying within the confinds of
food, ceremonies, and sharing with unbelievers. Some would think this actually means in everything
moral, honouring God or the law. But it is always possible to take words out of their context and meaning
to try and create an obvious extension which leads to a total distortion of the writers intension.
As you can show with discussion between Whitfield and Wesley these points are centuries old, and it is
more about where you put yourself on the sliding scale.
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The first thing you need to do to have any discussion is to figure out what the person you are discussing with believes.
If you tell me you believe something, and I misunderstand you, I need to be humble enough to receive correction. Considering no one has a right to tell someone what they believe, for how can they know (unless they are God)
If your view of what you THINK the person you are trying to discuss something is wrong. All you will do is have the person you are trying to discuss with continually try to correct you on his belief system, and any form of communication or actual discussion you may attempt to have will be non existent.
ie, if person A is continually trying to tell everyone person B believes this, and person B does not.. Perso be will continually have to tell person A he or she is wrong.
The problem is, If person A is to proud to be told he or she is wrong. we get what we have in CC with so many people and yourself and a few like you.
Again, I repeat. You do not like to be told your wrong.
PennEd, the point you are making used to bother me, until I realised what Jesus was talking
about.
In a show society, where how you appear matters more than reality within, everything is about
how you come across. So the pharisees knew they could not be righteous, but they could appear
this way, while being hypocrites. So everything hinges on purifying the heart, walking in God from
within. So unless one achieves this reality, the appearance of righteousness is meaningless.
If you knew how people like to think of themselves while actually being different, you will realise
how this is a daily reality in polite society.
The position you are putting forward is actually saying it is impossible to walk righteously as
Jesus is declaring which undermines for me, all He stands for and the victory of love over death
realises.
Why should I believe it is impossible in the Holy Spirit to fulfill the law? My experience is the opposite,
and the cleansing of the Lord is complete. Why else does Paul talk about holy hands, pure hearts,
and temptation that should be resisted?
about.
In a show society, where how you appear matters more than reality within, everything is about
how you come across. So the pharisees knew they could not be righteous, but they could appear
this way, while being hypocrites. So everything hinges on purifying the heart, walking in God from
within. So unless one achieves this reality, the appearance of righteousness is meaningless.
If you knew how people like to think of themselves while actually being different, you will realise
how this is a daily reality in polite society.
The position you are putting forward is actually saying it is impossible to walk righteously as
Jesus is declaring which undermines for me, all He stands for and the victory of love over death
realises.
Why should I believe it is impossible in the Holy Spirit to fulfill the law? My experience is the opposite,
and the cleansing of the Lord is complete. Why else does Paul talk about holy hands, pure hearts,
and temptation that should be resisted?
Dude....you completely missed his point because you cannot grasp the truth of what he said.....and the POINT IS...NO ONE can MEET the STANDARDS that MUST BE MET to EARN or DESERVE the right to ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN......and that is exactly what the LAW proves....WE ARE all GUILTY and NONE can meet the standard SET BY GOD......and exactly why we NEED to be redeemed, justified, saved and sealed by the blood of JESUS in faith....
and you wonder why I call you a cake taker.........you cannot get past your own religious CREED to see the truth of what ANYONE posts........and the sad part....that is the same PROBLEM the PHARISEES had...................WOW!
and you wonder why I call you a cake taker.........you cannot get past your own religious CREED to see the truth of what ANYONE posts........and the sad part....that is the same PROBLEM the PHARISEES had...................WOW!