How is it possible to go to heaven if you don't believe in eternal life? 
FAITH is what saves....faith plus works leads to a false gospel and NO POWER to save...Galatians is clear....
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It isn't possible...and so far the only ones who have an issue with this thread are those who espouse and push a working for sinless lie.........
FAITH is what saves....faith plus works leads to a false gospel and NO POWER to save...Galatians is clear....
FAITH is what saves....faith plus works leads to a false gospel and NO POWER to save...Galatians is clear....
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There is only one side....the side Jesus is on.....as in HIS SIDE.......He said faith saves eternally.......not temporarily.....
She doesn't seem to realize most aren't "followers of men" as she herself had professed to being.
Most actually pray, read the Bible themselves and follow Jesus,
Yes the writings of other believers shape us, however ultimately we will stand before God based upon our own words and beliefs and not upon whose writtings/commentary on the Bible we agree with or understand.
Maybe one day she will be honest with herself and others.
What do you have faith in?
Jesus ability to save you?
..,,or your ability to obey His laws?
Hey Fran, First let me say that sometimes we get so wrapped up with the passion of our thoughts, and the desire to have the other person see it our way, that we forget that primarily we are called to love one another. Without that, as 1 Corinthians 13 tells us, EVERYTHING else is worthless. So I do love you Fran, and am certain others here do as well.
I don't think you're post here is terribly off the mark. We DO get a new heart. We don't have our lost heart fixed. And that's really the point. Following Christ is natural for His children. It's who we are. We don't have to force it. It's innate in the new creation we have become.
An apple tree will naturally bear apples. It does not have to work at what it does naturally.
It's so important that we realize that OUR FRUITS (of the Holy Spirit) result in good works, and that good works NEVER result in bearing fruit. Getting that backwards, I believe, is what is at the heart of those who want to receive the fruits by doing their work.
The reason I mentioned the Bible translation, is because the verse you emphasized had a clearly different meaning than every other translation I could find, Here it is again:
"UNLESS YOU DO EVEN BETTER THAN THE PHARISSES IN THE MATTER OF LIVING RIGHTEOUSLY, YOU WILL KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ENTERNG THE KINGDOM.
Mathew 5:20"
Can you tell me what translation that is from? Be blessed, and have a great day.
I don't think you're post here is terribly off the mark. We DO get a new heart. We don't have our lost heart fixed. And that's really the point. Following Christ is natural for His children. It's who we are. We don't have to force it. It's innate in the new creation we have become.
An apple tree will naturally bear apples. It does not have to work at what it does naturally.
It's so important that we realize that OUR FRUITS (of the Holy Spirit) result in good works, and that good works NEVER result in bearing fruit. Getting that backwards, I believe, is what is at the heart of those who want to receive the fruits by doing their work.
The reason I mentioned the Bible translation, is because the verse you emphasized had a clearly different meaning than every other translation I could find, Here it is again:
"UNLESS YOU DO EVEN BETTER THAN THE PHARISSES IN THE MATTER OF LIVING RIGHTEOUSLY, YOU WILL KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ENTERNG THE KINGDOM.
Mathew 5:20"
Can you tell me what translation that is from? Be blessed, and have a great day.
E
what they offer is confusion.
They say yes, Jesus keeps his words, If you believe then you have all that.
But then turn it around, and say but if you stop believing you do not.
so where is the confusion
If I believe, I have it, I have Gods assurance I will never die, Never hunger or thirst, have forever, Have eternal life and will be raised.
Either i have them or I do not. If I have them, God must keep his word, If i can lose them by loss of faith, then I never had them to begin with.
So the confusion is they say yes, you have them, but reality is, you do not..
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Dear all,
Well I haven't been back in to this thread for a while but what I can see so far from the many comments I have been reading, I think this thread has it's origins from Babylon. Well, not literally but there seems to be a lot of confusion in here. Just saying, still love you all .
God bless you
Well I haven't been back in to this thread for a while but what I can see so far from the many comments I have been reading, I think this thread has it's origins from Babylon. Well, not literally but there seems to be a lot of confusion in here. Just saying, still love you all .
God bless you
Faith alone saves and the works are the result of the faith and salvation one already has
or
FAITH PLUS WORKS obtains and or earns salvation
WORKS or GRACE...which is it?
It becomes less of a discussion and more of a free for all battle the longer it goes...You cant debate people into submission, or into agreement, it actually does the opposite, even if you are speaking truth, or correcting someone. There comes a time when you have to shake the dust off your feet, rather than be emotionally bound to a discussion. It leaves room for losing your peace, going off topic, and more-so into the carnal side of things.
One more time for those who have short term memories..
Grace through faith is what saves us. Add to that, belief in Jesus. So grace, faith and belief are what saves us.
Not the lawn you mow for your disabled neighbor.
Not the meal you serve at a soup kitchen.
Not the ride you give to someone who needs one.
WORKS DO NOT SAVE US.
End of story.
Grace through faith is what saves us.
Add to that, belief in Jesus. So grace, faith and belief are what saves us. Not the lawn you mow for your disabled neighbor.
Not the meal you serve at a soup kitchen.
Not the ride you give to someone who needs one.
WORKS DO NOT SAVE US.
End of story.
Dear all,
Well I haven't been back in to this thread for a while but what I can see so far from the many comments I have been reading, I think this thread has it's origins from Babylon. Well, not literally but there seems to be a lot of confusion in here. Just saying, still love you all .
God bless you
He believes that Christians should follow the Sabbath from Friday night until Saturday and if not - then we have fallen for the deception of Babylon.
Here is the website of this particular sects beliefs from his signature. This will show where certain thoughts and beliefs are coming from.
https://www.beastsmark.com/deception
And you are right - it is works-based-law based righteousness doctrine.
Dear all,
Well I haven't been back in to this thread for a while but what I can see so far from the many comments I have been reading, I think this thread has it's origins from Babylon. Well, not literally but there seems to be a lot of confusion in here. Just saying, still love you all .
God bless you
He believes that Christians should follow the Sabbath from Friday night until Saturday and if not - then we have fallen for the deception of Babylon.
Here is the website of this particular sects beliefs from his signature. This will show where certain thoughts and beliefs are coming from.
https://www.beastsmark.com/deception
And you are right - it is works-based-law based righteousness doctrine.
He's not even supposed to have that link in his signature. It's blatant advertising, which the rules here prohibit. I done already told him that awhile back..
Name every one of His commandments that this verse is referring to. Don't leave one out because if our eternal security is dependent on this - we need to know "every one".
What exactly are these commandments?
( of course in the New Covenant we have been told exactly what these commandments are in 1 John 3:23 )
What exactly are these commandments?
( of course in the New Covenant we have been told exactly what these commandments are in 1 John 3:23 )
Matthew 7v21-23
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
How did Christ’s bride (the church) make herself ready? We accepted what Jesus did for us. That’s the only thing that makes us pure That’s why all the honor goes to Him, not to us.
We believed the gospel message of Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.
Many people teach that the body of Christ will grow into unity and a holiness that is being represented here by being without “spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” This will never occur in the flesh. There will always be some members of the body who are not acting and believing right.
This is speaking of who we are in the Spirit. In our born-again spirits, we are now without “spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but...holy and without blemish.” This isn’t something we are moving toward. This is a present-tense possession of every true believer in their re-created spirits.
We believed the gospel message of Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.
Many people teach that the body of Christ will grow into unity and a holiness that is being represented here by being without “spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” This will never occur in the flesh. There will always be some members of the body who are not acting and believing right.
This is speaking of who we are in the Spirit. In our born-again spirits, we are now without “spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but...holy and without blemish.” This isn’t something we are moving toward. This is a present-tense possession of every true believer in their re-created spirits.