Help! Ramadan is in my house.

[J7]

I would have thought Satanic has to refer to something that specifically espouses Satanic worship and practices, that is how it is generally used.

Satan certainly sows confusion left right and centre, but we don't call all the different denominations of the Church Satanic do we?

Or maybe some of you do, I don't know.

When you say Islam is Satanic, I presume you mean that Satan spoke the Koran to Mohammed, is that what you mean?

This is wrong, because Islam views Jesus as blessed, and Paul tells us:

3 [FONT=&quot]Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:[/FONT]

You also have to consider that the restraining influence that has stopped the Jews rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem has been Islam, as they have controlled it 2000 years. So it may well be that Islam is part of God's plan anyhow.

Paul tells us in Galatians 4 that allegorically Sarah is the mother of the Church, and that Ishmael's Egyptian mother, Hagar, is the mother of the children of bondage to the Old Covenant.
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24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

What he is also saying is that Ishmael is a child of bondage to the Old Covenant, like Jerusalem. It is Agar's children plural that are in bondage. I.E. Moslems and Jews.







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[miknik5]

I would have thought Satanic has to refer to something that specifically espouses Satanic worship and practices, that is how it is generally used.

Satan certainly sows confusion left right and centre, but we don't call all the different denominations of the Church Satanic do we?

Or maybe some of you do, I don't know.

When you say Islam is Satanic, I presume you mean that Satan spoke the Koran to Mohammed, is that what you mean?

This is wrong, because Islam views Jesus as blessed, and Paul tells us:

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed:

You also have to consider that the restraining influence that has stopped the Jews rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem has been Islam, as they have controlled it 2000 years. So it may well be that Islam is part of God's plan anyhow.

Paul tells us in Galatians 4 that allegorically Sarah is the mother of the Church, and that Ishmael's Egyptian mother, Hagar, is the mother of the children of bondage to the Old Covenant.

24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

What he is also saying is that Ishmael is a child of bondage to the Old Covenant, like Jerusalem. It is Agar's children plural that are in bondage. I.E. Moslems and Jews.

That wasn't all that was said about Ishmael

 

[Demi777]

And completely bending your schedule is simply not having pork chops one week per month? It's one week a month. (I haven't eaten pork or beef is 15 years. Don't see it as an issue. lol)

What if your foster kids were Jewish? Pork chops still on the table?

She already invite the teen into her home. That's a done deal, and done after seriously praying, because she didn't know if she should or shouldn't. Outside of that, I'm assuming she comes complete with clothes, so it's not like she has to go buy her the burqas. She is a teenager and it is Ramadan, so, yay! She's not eating her out of house and home all day. Bonus points, because, let's face it. You teens eat -- a lot. Part of that growing thing y'all do.

That leaves one issue -- prayer. If your foster child were Jewish, would you stop her from praying too? What if she prays in Hebrew? What if a menorah are required? Sure, lots of Christians say Jews pray to the same God, but do they really? They don't trust that the Messiah already came. They don't think Jesus is God. And, frankly, most of the Jews I've known are atheists.

What if your foster child was an atheist? Is this really how you think, or is it the "Muslims are horrible" garbage that is a stumbling block for so many Christians? Muslims are no worse, and no better, than anyone else. We all need to be saved. And one way to make sure someone doesn't want to be saved? Tell that person you will NOT accept them for who they are at that moment.

Look at the supposed adults answering on this thread. Do you really want to be that stone-hearted when you reach their age? Please. I beg of you -- let God soften your heart, so you don't become them.

I would tell the jewish the same. Besides that they havw the same God. Plus i already stated that covering the haie when praying isnt necisarily muslim. I do it myself sometimes. I dont care in which language is prayed. I have friends praying to God in persian.
Still if i wanna eat pork that day, if that person is there or not, ill make it. And if the person wont eat it they can make something else but i wont bend what i do or dont do.
We wont agree on this sis lol. I understand ur point of view but i don't share it

 

[Kavik]

Er, ah... yeah!

Their satanic book claims God did NOT have a son, and if He did His Son did NOT die on the cross.

If you cannot understand that this is satanic... well, I'll be nice cause I was about to seriously hurt your feelings!

If you are a Christian, you have zero excuse for not recognizing that anyone who claims God didn't have a Son Who died on the cross is satanic!

It's satanic cause this is a lie of the devil.... it's satan's point of view and he believes his own lies.

So, in your world Jews are satanic as well since they also do not recognize Jesus? Can't have it both ways - either both Jews and Muslims worship a false God (since neither recognizes Jesus as the son of God) or none do. As mentioned, all three beliefs have a completely different understanding of God and of who and what he is, but ultimately it's the same deity nonetheless.

Just because something doesn't quite agree with your thinking doesn't automatically make it "satanic"; will all due respect, that's an awful narrow view of the world.

 

[miknik5]

What he man's is that Satan keeps the eyes of those blind by sowing in every imitation causing confusion and doubt so that they can't hear THE TRUTH so as to be saved

that's all

theres a battle going on and since there is only ONE TRUTH and ONE TESTIMONY, anything outside that ONE TRUTH and ONE TESTIMONY is a lie and is not from GOD

 

[Grandpa]

So, in your world Jews are satanic as well since they also do not recognize Jesus? Can't have it both ways - either both Jews and Muslims worship a false God (since neither recognizes Jesus as the son of God) or none do. As mentioned, all three beliefs have a completely different understanding of God and of who and what he is, but ultimately it's the same deity nonetheless.

Just because something doesn't quite agree with your thinking doesn't automatically make it "satanic"; will all due respect, that's an awful narrow view of the world.

John 14:6 [FONT=&quot]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

[/FONT]Can't worship the Real God without coming to the Lord Jesus.

So what are they really worshipping? If they are in bondage who has them in bondage? Who are they slaves to?

It may be a narrow view but it happens to be the correct one.

 

[preacher4truth]

So, in your world Jews are satanic as well since they also do not recognize Jesus? Can't have it both ways - either both Jews and Muslims worship a false God (since neither recognizes Jesus as the son of God) or none do. As mentioned, all three beliefs have a completely different understanding of God and of who and what he is, but ultimately it's the same deity nonetheless.

Just because something doesn't quite agree with your thinking doesn't automatically make it "satanic"; will all due respect, that's an awful narrow view of the world.

I agree that the satanic thing is over the top, however, they are not worshiping the God of Scripture in the salvific sense of being brought to the Father through Christ.

The Gospel is exclusive in that Christ is the only way to the Father, if that is called narrow then it is because it is narrow, but remains nonetheless true.

In other words, regardless of whether persons believe mystically these are worshiping God somehow outside of Christ (or even in Christ but they're "unaware") and, as if that makes them true believers, true worshipers of God, it is nonetheless a false notion.

If it is true, let's halt all evangelistic efforts and embrace hyper-Calvinism and the beliefs of synergists (anti-Calvinists) because God mystically saves people (usually some poor soul in Africa) by granting them more and more light &c. Of course this is a mystical lie.

I'm going to keep sticking to the "narrow view" -- it is the Gospel and it is Christ.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

So, in your world Jews are satanic as well since they also do not recognize Jesus? Can't have it both ways - either both Jews and Muslims worship a false God (since neither recognizes Jesus as the son of God) or none do. As mentioned, all three beliefs have a completely different understanding of God and of who and what he is, but ultimately it's the same deity nonetheless.

Just because something doesn't quite agree with your thinking doesn't automatically make it "satanic"; will all due respect, that's an awful narrow view of the world.

From Zechariah 12-

10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives.

Romans 11
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Jesus even said Himself, "the stone that the builders refused has become the chief cornerstone". The Jews were meant to turn on Him, and crucify Him. All of it is Gods plan.

Islam, however, goes out of its way to deny the Father and the Son, and calls Christ a prophet of Abraham. Anyone who follows it will not be saved. They turn from Jesus and allow themselves to bow before a black rock daily. It is clear that Islam is NOT from God.

And if you refuse to accept that Islam is antichrist, you do not accept the Bible. Apparently, in your view, all one has to do is believe in a singular god and theyre doing alright.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

"The Satanic Jesus"

Oh man. Take a chill pill.

Fortunately Jesus hard-wired some common sense into the gospel.

People who live peaceably and morally, and show charity to widows and orphans are not Satanists.

And you will find them in many religions.

It means that they have an innate sense of right and wrong.

Satan's real mission is to destroy the Church.

The Church's mission is to gather everyone in Christ.

So? Their good works won't save them.

Apparently Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Koran - 25 times in all.

Also from the Koran:

He said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet. Blessed He has made me, wherever I may be; and He has enjoined me to pray, and to give the alms, so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant, unprosperous. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up alive!"


So Islam actually declares that Jesus dies and is raised back to life.

Curious

Declaring that Jesus died and was raised back to life doesn't mean that Islam endorses that Jesus is the Savior. There's a difference. (We know that Lazarus died and was raised back to life; we don't call Lazarus the Savior. Hopefully that illustrates the difference.)

It doesn't really matter if some other religion encourages good works or says something positive about Jesus, if they deny Jesus' sacrifice. Because no matter how similar to Christianity the religion supposedly is in a teaching or two, it denies the very thing that saves. That's a dangerous lie.

I think you're focusing in the wrong place. I'm seeing you try to show how Islam is somehow similar to Christianity, but how they differ (and how Christianity differs from any religion) is much more important and where we need to focus to see souls saved.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

you wouldnt understand



had you been born in a muslim country with everyone telling you Islam was the only way you would be Muslim. you really think all these people are going to hell, punished for the soil they were born on?

I understand that without Christ, no one can come to God.
And maybe, unless someone actually taught me that Islam is false and Christ is the way. You do know that there are Christians in middle eastern countries that were formerly Muslims, right?

Islam is actually really easy to argue from a Christian standpoint. Muhammad claimed that the Gospel is from him, that Christians should judge the quran by the Gospel, and that no one can change allahs word. And yet it completely denies everything in the Gospel. Muhammad was a false prophet because of this.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

That can be said for everything in the world apart from Christianity because Salvation comes from a belief in Christ. Actually the whole world is Antichrist at some level. The only Biblical definition of an Antichrist is given by John

Yes anyone who is non-Christian doesnt believe in Christ, but Islam denies who Christ is according to the Gospel-

Quran 4:171 "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."

We are already told that we must believe that God gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall have ever lasting life. The quran denies both that He was the Son of God and that He died for our sins, It turns people away from the Gospel.

If all it takes is to say nice things about Christ to be with God, then anyone who says "Im not a Christian but Jesus said some nice things" must be following the right path.

And the Jews were always going turn on Christ, and the Bible says they will be saved in the end too. The Jews are not the same as a doctrine that exists to deny Christ the Son of God.

I dont understand this defending of Islam as if its equally the word of God as the teachings of Jesus. Its as if there are some people who think Jesus' will is not to bring people to Him, but for people to just get along.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

The whole Jesus dying thing in the quran, does anyone know where it says that? (Other than the verse in chapter 19 that was already mentioned) I know of the prophecies in Islam that he will die during the end times but other than that I do not know of any verse that mentions this. The verses about His crucifixion states that He wasnt even crucified, that allah merely raised Christ up to him.

 

[MultilingualMessenger]

The whole Jesus dying thing in the quran, does anyone know where it says that? (Other than the verse in chapter 19 that was already mentioned) I know of the prophecies in Islam that he will die during the end times but other than that I do not know of any verse that mentions this. The verses about His crucifixion states that He wasnt even crucified, that allah merely raised Christ up to him.

Yeah, it does say that. I was talking to a Muslim online once and he (or maybe she?) said that Jesus didn't die.

But then again, this would not be the first time we've seen the quran unabashedly go against its own words.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Also, I wanted to point out the lack of faith in the Lord with this post here-

you really think all these people are going to hell, punished for the soil they were born on?

Christ is more than capable of guiding people born in nations ruled by Islam to Him, in fact He does, there are many Christians who left Islam in these nations. In fact many of them are put to death due to the laws of Islam.

Christ calls people from all over the world, and He calls on us to share the Gospel with every single person.

 

[preacher4truth]

Apparently Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Koran - 25 times in all.

Also from the Koran:

He said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet. Blessed He has made me, wherever I may be; and He has enjoined me to pray, and to give the alms, so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant, unprosperous. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up alive!"


So Islam actually declares that Jesus dies and is raised back to life.

Curious

Islam does not believe Christ died on the cross, nor that He raised back to life.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Islam does not believe Christ died on the cross, nor that He raised back to life.

The only thing I can think of is a reference to the afterlife, being saved and all that. Or somehow referring to the prophecies of Christ coming to fight the infidels and dying in battle in the (Islamic) end times.

I dont actually know about that story all that well, though. Maybe someone knows it better than I.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yeah, it does say that. I was talking to a Muslim online once and he (or maybe she?) said that Jesus didn't die.

But then again, this would not be the first time we've seen the quran unabashedly go against its own words.

J7 is quoting it to make it say something it is not saying. That's the problem. People do the same with Scripture all day long, so no surprise here.

 

[J7]

Well it is hard to read that any other way than to mean what it says. How do you propose reading it?

And what's with the smart comments? Say what you mean and mean what you say.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Well it is hard to read that any other way than to mean what it says. How do you propose reading it?

Youre right, it is a vague verse. I think it refers to being saved after death, is my opinion anywho.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well it is hard to read that any other way than to mean what it says. How do you propose reading it?

And what's with the smart comments? Say what you mean and mean what you say.

First, my comments weren't derogatorily "smart", so, let's not go there. And, I said what I meant and meant what I said. Thanks.

Muslims do not believe Jesus died on the cross, so, He also did not already rise from the dead accordingly to them. It therefore cannot be speaking of the Gospel death and resurrection.

So, that being said, what else could they mean by the quote you offered?