The devil's greatest lie to the body of Christ!

[Enow]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).

Well... I am sure Jesus believes that He did. I believe that He did too.

But yeah, other than Him, if we can live a sinless life, there would be no race to run any more, but there is because He has not brought us Home yet where we shall be perfect by His grace & by His power.

So the race to lay aside every weight and sin is a life of repentance by the grace of God and His help in following Him.

 

[kaylagrl]

Only one person who walked this earth was completely sinless,Jesus and He was God. Yes,the closer you get to the Lord the less you will sin but you will not be perfect this side of heaven. We are mortal and we fail sometimes without even knowing it. Those who say they do not sin are either lying or have a very immature view of Scripture.I dont know your age or how long you've been saved but it sounds like you are either young in age or young in the faith,possibly both.

 

[QuickenedByHim]

"Little children, let no man decieve you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous." -1 John 3:7

 

[kaylagrl]

"Little children, let no man decieve you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous." -1 John 3:7

​But not perfectly sinless.

 

[Enow]

"Little children, let no man decieve you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous." -1 John 3:7

Again, that is John pointing out that believers are to be aware of some believers that think sin is no longer sin to live however he wants. Believers can know whom are abiding in Him from those that are not so as to not to follow after them.

If a believer sins, should he give up following Him then? No.

So what do we say when a believer quits because he has sinned? Tell him to ask Jesus to forgive him and ask Him to help him not to do that again.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,[SUP]2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I believe the majority of responders agree with you in one point that a saved believer should not live in sin, but I believe you are glossing over scripture in that Book of 1 John if you believe a saved believer can never sin.

If you passed up doing a good deed, that is a sin.

James 4:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain:[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.[SUP] 15 [/SUP]For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.[SUP]16 [/SUP]But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

His yoke is easy and His burden is light because all our hopes are on Him to help us not to sin and to follow Him, but not every saved believer are placing that kind of trust in Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd to help them to do that.

 

[oldethennew]

1TIM. 2:19.
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal,
The Lord knoweth them that are His.
And, Let every one that nameth The Name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The "church" is the body of Christ. We are the church. Those words are meant for all who read them, not just people 2000 years ago. And "remove it's candlestick out from it's place" or "I will spew you out of my mouth" are some bold words from the Lord, I pray you don't take them as lightly as you do.

You also failed to justify the warning we are givien in Romans 11:22 that I mentioned, refuting your OSAS doctrine.

No, He spoke of local churches, The church at laodecia, the church at sardis, the church at philidelphia etc etc.

romans 11 is spoken about the nation of Israel vs the nations of the gentiles. Niether one of these speak of personal salvation but groups of people as a whole.

You want to earn salvation, go for it,, But stop interpreting scripture to support your belief system,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).

Amen, they place themselves above the apostle john, and ignore johns warning that they are decieved, and there is no truth in them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"Little children, let no man decieve you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as He is righteous." -1 John 3:7

That does not say they are sinless.

Next..

 

[QuickenedByHim]

That does not say they are sinless.

Next..

Correct, it says they are righteous

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Correct, it says they are righteous

Yes they are, because of the blood of the lamb,

but that hat still does not make them sinless

And remember what joh also said, he who is not righteous (the sinner) has never seen god or known him,

so your left left with a problem

your either a sinner saved by grace who walks as a child of God, or a non believer dead in their sin

 

[dcontroversal]

"Remember therefore from where you are fallen, and repent, and DO the first WORKS; or else I will come to you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of it's place, EXCEPT YOU REPENT." -Revelation 2:5

"I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would you were cold or hot.So then because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth." -Revelation 13:15-16

"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS: OTHERWISE YOU ALSO SHALL BE CUT OFF. -Romans 11:22

More twisted scripture.....CONTEXT PAL....removing the candlestick is INDICATIVE of losing their authority as a church....geesh....talk about burger king theology......

 

[dcontroversal]

You need to read that verse in context. If you say that you have no sin without Christ having cleansed you then you are obviously deceived and without the truth. But when you confess, Jesus cleanses you of all unrighteousness. What was once dirty is now cleaned. And Jesus doesn't "miss any spots" when He does His cleansing.

Your sinless farce is exactly that...a farse......

 

[dcontroversal]

And you added to it by claiming sinlessness!

The fact that they claim to be sinless is a lie in and of itself......

 

[dcontroversal]

Anybody who has been reading our conversation starting on like page 3 will see that the only thing you have attempted to refute me with is your interpretation about the context of 1 John 1:8. I have used many different verses in context, you haven't. I'm not the cherry picker here.

Actually what is seen is your inability to be honest, leave verses off that prove your error and the misdirection that you seem to espouse....

Simple yes or no was what he was asking for....

DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES or NO......

 

[QuickenedByHim]

Your sinless farce is exactly that...a farse......

I claim to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus and led by the Spirit of God. Jesus is mighty and has set me free HALLELUJAH!

 

[QuickenedByHim]

Actually what is seen is your inability to be honest, leave verses off that prove your error and the misdirection that you seem to espouse....

Simple yes or no was what he was asking for....

DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES or NO......

Not willfully.

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen, they place themselves above the apostle john, and ignore johns warning that they are decieved, and there is no truth in them.

As well as Daniel, Paul, Peter, Noah, Abraham, David etc......those who push this dogma of sinless perfectionism lie or misdirect every time you ask them a simple yes or no question......and they cannot answer with a yes or no because both answers ruin their bull malarkey sinless perfectionism....

The question...DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES----ruins their whole stance
NO---makes them a liar and ruins their whole stance...

So.....they misdirect, misquote, and tap dance more than a ballerina in N.Y. on Broadway......

 

[dcontroversal]

Not willfully.

Sure you do...you just lied....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Actually what is seen is your inability to be honest, leave verses off that prove your error and the misdirection that you seem to espouse....

Simple yes or no was what he was asking for....

DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES or NO......

To him that knows to do good and does it not it is sin....so...you just lied or are ignorant of the word and do not know to do good...which is it?

 

[QuickenedByHim]

Sure you do...you just lied....

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Actually what is seen is your inability to be honest, leave verses off that prove your error and the misdirection that you seem to espouse....

Simple yes or no was what he was asking for....

DO YOU STILL SIN....

YES or NO......

To him that knows to do good and does it not it is sin....so...you just lied or are ignorant of the word and do not know to do good...which is it?

Where is my lie?

I do what is good. The Spirit always leads me to do what is good. I pray for my enemies and I will never repay evil for evil. I harden not my heart.

I have not lied to you.