All I meant was, if the pastor would've said being gay is an abomination, BUT God turns away no one and can help you with this feelings or whatever. It would've been easier. Then I could have freely, went to the pastor and had someone to confide in whenever I need a little prayer or a little extra encouragement, whenever the feelings would start to weigh me down.
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All I meant was, if the pastor would've said being gay is an abomination, BUT God turns away no one and can help you with this feelings or whatever. It would've been easier. Then I could have freely, went to the pastor and had someone to confide in whenever I need a little prayer or a little extra encouragement, whenever the feelings would start to weigh me down.
And personally, my attitude is I'm coming to church seeking Gods guidance, seeking him to tell me what he wants. So why should I be judged for that. And if you automatically think of the sexual act when you hear the word "gay", well then how saved are we really?
I do not disagree with you here, but I do have to ask, how should one dress for church?
What part of the body of Christ
is the sodomites,Lesbianites,transvestites and all else connected to them?
When you answer this question then you should know what is the truth.
In Jesus's days people such as this were shunned and received harsh stares from people they were seen as living breathing unholiness and mothers would grab their kids and pull them close when a person who was seen as a sinner walked by.
This was the norm but then Jesus came and he went directly to such people he treated them with love compassion and understanding he never once judged such people but he did tell them that they must not continue to live in their sin.
This of course greatly angered the Pharisees and in today's day and age it is the opposite instead of such people being seen as walking breathing unholiness being gay is normal and the funny thing is instead of the world judging them like it did back then we the ones who claim Christ tend to be doing the judging.
The way I see it is that it is not for us to judge them we are to treat them with the same love compassion respect and understanding that we would anyone else only then will they be brought closer to God build the desire to live differently. Far to many (Christians) look down upon and judge the gays thinking it's righteous judgement but righteousness always leads to holiness and I have never once seen this ( righteous judgement) lead a gay to live a holy life I have only seen love do this.
a person in my church came to me and told me he was gay and asked me if they are going to hell I showed them the same love and compassion and respect I show anyone else and of course explained to them that living a life of lust after the same sex is wrong in Gods eyes but I did so in a compassionate manner and even showed scriptures to show him. He told me how he knew it was wrong but the desires never went away no matter how much he prayed and I explained to him that it may not ever go away as sometimes God allows thorns in our sides for his purpose and that it isn't a sin to have those lusts it's only a sin if you act upon them.
I explained to him that it's easier to deal with them if you focus your thoughts on heavenly things because if you are only looking up you are blind to everything else. This person was shocked he told me how I am one of the very few Christians he told was gay because every time he told a Christian this he only received judgement, this infuriated me inside that those who would call themselves Christians who are to be the light of the world and are to show the love and light of God would turn to judgement for a soul in need of help.
This was about two years ago and I have been speaking with this person for a good while, because of the help he received from me he not only found peace and found God but he leads a group of gays seeking help and acceptance and teaches and guides them to change their ways and follow God, he uses his thorn in his side because he knows and understands their struggles and in the past year so far 7 people have come to Christ in that group and help others to deal with the sexual lusts that the gays go through.
I take no credit it was all what God had taught me and how he used me but because it only took one heart to show love and compassion and understanding and because it only took one heart to instead of judging a gay help to teach and guide him that man started a group at church and lead other gays to Christ using the thorn in his side.
People often underestimate how it only takes a spark to make the fire burn
This was the norm but then Jesus came and he went directly to such people he treated them with love compassion and understanding he never once judged such people but he did tell them that they must not continue to live in their sin.
This of course greatly angered the Pharisees and in today's day and age it is the opposite instead of such people being seen as walking breathing unholiness being gay is normal and the funny thing is instead of the world judging them like it did back then we the ones who claim Christ tend to be doing the judging.
The way I see it is that it is not for us to judge them we are to treat them with the same love compassion respect and understanding that we would anyone else only then will they be brought closer to God build the desire to live differently. Far to many (Christians) look down upon and judge the gays thinking it's righteous judgement but righteousness always leads to holiness and I have never once seen this ( righteous judgement) lead a gay to live a holy life I have only seen love do this.
a person in my church came to me and told me he was gay and asked me if they are going to hell I showed them the same love and compassion and respect I show anyone else and of course explained to them that living a life of lust after the same sex is wrong in Gods eyes but I did so in a compassionate manner and even showed scriptures to show him. He told me how he knew it was wrong but the desires never went away no matter how much he prayed and I explained to him that it may not ever go away as sometimes God allows thorns in our sides for his purpose and that it isn't a sin to have those lusts it's only a sin if you act upon them.
I explained to him that it's easier to deal with them if you focus your thoughts on heavenly things because if you are only looking up you are blind to everything else. This person was shocked he told me how I am one of the very few Christians he told was gay because every time he told a Christian this he only received judgement, this infuriated me inside that those who would call themselves Christians who are to be the light of the world and are to show the love and light of God would turn to judgement for a soul in need of help.
This was about two years ago and I have been speaking with this person for a good while, because of the help he received from me he not only found peace and found God but he leads a group of gays seeking help and acceptance and teaches and guides them to change their ways and follow God, he uses his thorn in his side because he knows and understands their struggles and in the past year so far 7 people have come to Christ in that group and help others to deal with the sexual lusts that the gays go through.
I take no credit it was all what God had taught me and how he used me but because it only took one heart to show love and compassion and understanding and because it only took one heart to instead of judging a gay help to teach and guide him that man started a group at church and lead other gays to Christ using the thorn in his side.
People often underestimate how it only takes a spark to make the fire burn
If you cannot come as you are how you can expect them to love you just as you are?
H
Huckleberry
Guest
Here's how I explain it to the kids:
We're part of a Royal Family.
When we attend Royal functions,
we will dress accordingly,
I.e, modestly and dignified.
And also, if I can't get inside the building to get the cure. How will I get better?
J
joefizz
Guest
yeah you treat them as yourself,"love thy neighbor as yourself" my brother helped a quote "gay" person,the person asked him if a person who was dead went to hell,seeing as that they were quote "gay" well he told truthfully and plainly,yes because it is an abomination before God,well needless to say the person was shocked at the answer and mockingly said,but isn't God merciful? my brother replied,yes but once you've made your choice to continue working iniquity,then why would you be allowed to go to heaven,you aren't,and there after the conversation the person changed around their lifestyle and decided to do right for God! and if anyone doubts such a truth allow Jesus's very words set you straight,"those who endureth to the end for my name sake shall receive heaven" as well as this scripture "not all who say unto me lord lord will enter into heaven" for the kingdom of heaven is likened unto ten brides maids waiting on a bridegroom,five were wise five were foolish,each had a candle,then the bridegroom came and all the candles went out,but the wise had brought oil to relight their candles where as the foolish had not then the foolish said unto the wise give us oil for we have not,but the wise said we cannot lest per adventure we not have for our selves,then the foolish asked what can we do then,and the wise replied go and buy for oil and so they did and the wise went in unto the bridegroom,then the foolish came and the gate of the bridegroom was closed and they said,let us in lord,but he replied depart from me ye workers of iniquity I never knew you(not entirely sure the exact parable but the point is clear) you see many think well I can do whatever so long as I go to church and have given a vow to God and God is merciful so I can wait to change,the point of this parable is that once judgement day comes,Jesus coming back as a silent thief in the night,there will be no more time for forgiveness or mercy,just like when you are on your death bed after years of doing all that you wanted,and then finally saying unto God "save my soul" how do you figure that God will just up and save you? seeing as you didn't care for him truly til it suited your needs and convenience,this is where so many people get confused,you do whar you can for God "Now" not later,and be ready for the end,because there is no time to just up and change your mind at the last second,being saved isn't about pointing fingers or casting stones,it's about doing what God leads you to do,not what you want.
But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Matthew 9:12
When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Mark 2:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. Luke 5:31
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17
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When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Mark 2:17
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. Luke 5:31
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17
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Is there a difference in the level of sin of being gay vs. watching pornography (gay / straight) and masturbating?
Pull them aside for a frank discussion where you show them what God says in His Word about this lifestyle being sinful, and prayerfull listen to their feed back to see if they know it's wrong and they want help.
The ones that are out and proud and are un-repentant... kick them out and tell them to come back when they want to be delivered, till them no you are NOT welcome to come here and corrupt others in the congregation
A true Shepard would do this, while a wolf would let them come right on in and taint the entire congregation bringing sin in to the camp. Shameful!
The Apostle Paul... under the leading of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... kicked out a man that was engaging in sexual perversion due to being un-repentant (he was actively engaging in his sin)... and we should do the same as this is our biblical example.
The guy was let back in when he repented and quit his sin.
God's Word never says adultery is an obamanation... but it does teach that the gay thing is in fact an obamanation
Are you suggesting we should ignore God's Word on this?
They shouldn't... but most preachers don't want their offerings to go down so... you know...
Your pastor did not say this... God said it.
The pastor was simply reading what God said in His Word on this subject.
Why keep saying that? As you continually say that, you continually believe that instead of what God says about those that have been born again:
2 Corinthians 5:17,18
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ
How long have you said this verse of scripture about yourself, praising the Lord that His Word is true for you... now? This is God's Word... what He says has POWER to change your mind and how you think, speak, act, and feel.... but you can't ever stop! Neither can any of us lest we slip back to our old sinful ways.
You have been trained to believe what you see and feel rather than what God says which will change what you see and feel. This is one of satan's tricks is stronghold thoughts that we accept and believe. This is how people becomes gay because... nobody is born gay, or a drug addict, or a theif or whatever. It's learned behavior that we accept and it becomes rooted and grounded in us as we continually reinforce it by speaking it, acting on it, thinking on it, imagining it.
satan wants you to continually say "I struggle with same sex attraction" which keeps the door open for him to continually bring thoughts, imaginations to you about this which brings forth feelings and emotions that agree with this.
Make the decision to walk with God by faith rather than walking after the flesh with feelings of same sex attraction.
It's the same for the crack addict, the heroin addict, the shoplifter, the over eater, the worry wart, etc, etc.
You have to decide that you are now in Christ and allow Christ the live ibn you and walk in you (2 Corinthians 6:16) and be led by His Spirit (Romans 8:14) and no longer yeild to the leading of the flesh whether it be same sex whatever, shoplifting, over treating, cursing, or any other thing the devil likes to temp people with.
You would need to cut yourself off from this world's narrative concerning this issues for a long, long season cause they make it sounds like a "right" to be gay... God says it's a work of the flesh and those that walk after the flesh reap corruption and do not spend eternity with Him.
It's a simple matter of renewing your mind... and yeah, I was a drug addict back in the day on some stuff that drives people much harder than the gay thing so I know what it's like to be bombarded with thoughts screaming that I'm different than what God says I am.
The question is... will you agree with God and throw everything else out???
And the vast majority of the mind renewing and growing spiritually is done privately between you and the Lord... not in church. So... find a good church and when you walk in and thoughts come saying "they know I'm struggling with whatever"... know and understand that is a devil bringing that thought to you, not the Lord so cast it down and cast the devil out and REBEL against the forces of heLL!
Two men standing before God. One commits the sin of sodomy the other commits the sin
of watching pornography and masturbating.
Who will be accepted by God?
When you answer this question then you should know what is the truth.
I would be interested in seeing that set of scriptures....where Jesus interacted with a gay man or woman
and the word does is in the present sense.......
Yeah, I get what you're saying and that's what I was pretty much trying to say too. People shouldn't go around judging anyone for any past sin. They should be merciful and forgiving, and treat everyone with love. We all have struggles and sometimes need people to to confide in and help encourage us...so yes, everyone should be treated with respect, forgiveness, and mercy.
The rest of what I was saying wasn't directed to you...There are many people out there that go into churches just to be rebellious. They don't want any part of God and just want to try to tear his Word and churches down and bring a reproach on Him. Those type of people gay, straight, or whatever need to be dealt with as the scripture says to do so.
I don't think people need to be on a sin hunt or anything, but churches can't just allow people to come in teaching it's okay to go against God, either...Now that is the flip side of your coin, and not addressed to you, but to people who are not trying to learn of God's ways and are not repentant for their sin, and pretty much just throwing their middle finger up to God and telling everyone else that we just have to accept it.