The truth behind the Law
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Way I see it the Law exists whether you like or not
And though we no longer need to put the heathens to death
There's consequences when the Law is transgressed
Even for atheists they cannot escape though they do not believe
I mean here is a wise and foolish example
Let's say I go and lose my virginity to your wife
Then let's say you catch us in bed, shall I be excused that I'm not under Law?
Or should I really not be too surprised if you take away my life?
Or let us say I go and become a thief
And I'll steal everything from you
Will grace be shown to me as many claim is their belief?
Or is it more likely I'll be put into prison until I repay every piece?
Or let us go even to the utter extreme
And pretend I am moved to follow other gods
On the Judgement Day to whom would I make my appeal?
Athena, Vishnu, and Allah can't save you because they're not even real.
Now the Law cannot save you, it's only there to teach
And to bring death and painful consequences when there is a breach
Only Jesus full of justice and mercy can grant your reprieve
And for that God's grace is simply that in Jesus you must believe
And though we no longer need to put the heathens to death
There's consequences when the Law is transgressed
Even for atheists they cannot escape though they do not believe
I mean here is a wise and foolish example
Let's say I go and lose my virginity to your wife
Then let's say you catch us in bed, shall I be excused that I'm not under Law?
Or should I really not be too surprised if you take away my life?
Or let us say I go and become a thief
And I'll steal everything from you
Will grace be shown to me as many claim is their belief?
Or is it more likely I'll be put into prison until I repay every piece?
Or let us go even to the utter extreme
And pretend I am moved to follow other gods
On the Judgement Day to whom would I make my appeal?
Athena, Vishnu, and Allah can't save you because they're not even real.
Now the Law cannot save you, it's only there to teach
And to bring death and painful consequences when there is a breach
Only Jesus full of justice and mercy can grant your reprieve
And for that God's grace is simply that in Jesus you must believe
I thought rainrider was trying to preach THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST and was against those who will try to justify themselves by the LAW...for even Romans clearly states that GOD has turned all over to disobedience so that HE alone will be exalted for HIS WORK and MERCY.
As well, since the LAW already says and declares none righteous, there is no one who does good and never sins, how can anyone open their mouth before GOD and say otherwise?
All mouths will be silenced and the whole world accountable to GOD.
To be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in HIS SON
Both of these mentioned in Romans, should clearly bring one to understanding Paul's opening recap letter preaching the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD which is now made known which is from faith to faith...
As well, since the LAW already says and declares none righteous, there is no one who does good and never sins, how can anyone open their mouth before GOD and say otherwise?
All mouths will be silenced and the whole world accountable to GOD.
To be just when HE judges and the justifier of all whose faith is in HIS SON
Both of these mentioned in Romans, should clearly bring one to understanding Paul's opening recap letter preaching the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD which is now made known which is from faith to faith...
Do you require women in your household to stay outside in the backyard for 7 days during their menstrual cycles?
If you do not your guilty of breaking every law you seem to think you need to follow...If you come back and tell us that the hygiene laws are not for today, you are still guilty of breaking the all of the law, because you did not keep the hygiene laws...
James 2.10-CJB-
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But if you show favoritism, your actions constitute sin, since you are convicted under the Torah as transgressors.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For a person who keeps the whole Torah, yet stumbles at one point, has become guilty of breaking them all. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For the One who said, “Don’t commit adultery,” also said, “Don’t murder.” Now, if you don’t commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the Torah.
Why? Was it because they were left to their own after Paul had preached the GOSPEL?
Or was it because "false apostles" were suggesting "other ways"?
When we listen to men and do not know THE LORD for ourselves, we run the risk of not being able to discern "yeast" from THE PURE UNADULTERATED WORD AND TRUTH of GOD...
Or was it because "false apostles" were suggesting "other ways"?
When we listen to men and do not know THE LORD for ourselves, we run the risk of not being able to discern "yeast" from THE PURE UNADULTERATED WORD AND TRUTH of GOD...
And for one purpose.
So that our faith MORE PRECIOUS than GOLD though tried in the fire will PROVE GENUINE...resulting in HIS PRAISE and HIS GLORY alone...
If we are to boast...let it be IN THE LORD and what HE has done for us...that we may serve GOD in the NEWNESS of LIFE...with the only acceptable form of worship...I life lived for HIS GLORY alone...
So that our faith MORE PRECIOUS than GOLD though tried in the fire will PROVE GENUINE...resulting in HIS PRAISE and HIS GLORY alone...
If we are to boast...let it be IN THE LORD and what HE has done for us...that we may serve GOD in the NEWNESS of LIFE...with the only acceptable form of worship...I life lived for HIS GLORY alone...
I wish that I could do all that I say and know.
But I can't.
Therefore I am always left to this...MY FAITH in HIS FAITHFULNESS and my FAITH that HIS WORD and PROMISES are steadfast and sure...
and they are...
That is why MY HOPE is in HIM...that HE will complete the GOOD work HE began in me...even when I can't see any good in what I do but that HE alone is MY GOOD...
But I can't.
Therefore I am always left to this...MY FAITH in HIS FAITHFULNESS and my FAITH that HIS WORD and PROMISES are steadfast and sure...
and they are...
That is why MY HOPE is in HIM...that HE will complete the GOOD work HE began in me...even when I can't see any good in what I do but that HE alone is MY GOOD...
If it's wrought in God, then God did it not me. 
That's the beauty of grace, God does all the work... I don't TRY to be good, if I'm good then it's the goodness of God coming through me. This is the promised land!
That's the beauty of grace, God does all the work... I don't TRY to be good, if I'm good then it's the goodness of God coming through me. This is the promised land!
That is PURE and HOLY and UNBIASED and IMPARTIAL RIGHTEOUSNESS...
And I had to learn this in a very hard and unpleasant and fearful way...
Well exactly that is indeed the point
If they think it's a license
They're still under Law
And the consequences will be mete
If I go and have a good old jolly time with you
Your husband might put me to death
Or if I come and steal your possessions
I'll be singing jailhouse blues with my breath
Or even if I am just a little bit jealous
Then I'll simply never know to be content
So the Law is not totally without some merit
It's just not something that saves
It is more like a teacher
Something to ponder on and consider
And there is wisdom in the Law's ways
Taking hold of madness and folly like Solomon says
If they think it's a license
They're still under Law
And the consequences will be mete
If I go and have a good old jolly time with you
Your husband might put me to death
Or if I come and steal your possessions
I'll be singing jailhouse blues with my breath
Or even if I am just a little bit jealous
Then I'll simply never know to be content
So the Law is not totally without some merit
It's just not something that saves
It is more like a teacher
Something to ponder on and consider
And there is wisdom in the Law's ways
Taking hold of madness and folly like Solomon says
Paul never preached the law as you do mik...he was telling the Galatians to stop listening to those who tried to put them back under the law....kinda like you and rain...
In fact if you read through this thread we see Galatians being played out perfectly....
rainrider, beta, mik- we are saved by faith, but you need the law to make sure you are ok
perfectly-wow, really, but I am already saved by faith...are you sure I need to obey all the laws to stay spotless and clean?
rainrider, beta, mik- yes dear you must, its a unknown fact the law keeps you clean
perfectly-- think I will pass
Milwaukee, me, KJ1611, grace7, willie and other----being apostle Paul to your foolishness
In fact if you read through this thread we see Galatians being played out perfectly....
rainrider, beta, mik- we are saved by faith, but you need the law to make sure you are ok
perfectly-wow, really, but I am already saved by faith...are you sure I need to obey all the laws to stay spotless and clean?
rainrider, beta, mik- yes dear you must, its a unknown fact the law keeps you clean
perfectly-- think I will pass
Milwaukee, me, KJ1611, grace7, willie and other----being apostle Paul to your foolishness
If it's wrought in God, then God did it not me. That's the beauty of grace, God does all the work... I don't TRY to be good, if I'm good then it's the goodness of God coming through me. This is the promised land!
That's the beauty of grace, God does all the work... I don't TRY to be good, if I'm good then it's the goodness of God coming through me. This is the promised land!
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.