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Why can't you grasp this passage if it is so simple and self explanatory?
gal 3:1 ¶ O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Keep it in context. Why if you are united to Christ through grace would you now through the flesh go your own way and leave Christ behind? Saved by grace and kept by grace. You cannot merit salvation and you cannot by your own effort maintain salvation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
gal 3:1 ¶ O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Keep it in context. Why if you are united to Christ through grace would you now through the flesh go your own way and leave Christ behind? Saved by grace and kept by grace. You cannot merit salvation and you cannot by your own effort maintain salvation.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Matthew Poole's Commentary
Ver. 14,15. Not that our mere forgiving our brethren the injuries done unto us is all that God requireth of us in order to the forgiveness we expect from him, the contrary is plain from several other texts, John 3:18,36 Ac 2:38 16:31 &c.; but that without this forgiveness of our brethren, God will not forgive us, Matthew 18:35. It is one piece of that obedience which we owe to God, and also of our gratitude, without the performance of which it is vain for us to hope for forgiveness from God.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
But if ye forgive not - He who does not awake at the sound of so loud a voice, is not asleep but dead. A vindictive man excludes himself from all hope of eternal life, and himself seals his own damnation.
I don't use eisegesis..... don't need it.
Ver. 14,15. Not that our mere forgiving our brethren the injuries done unto us is all that God requireth of us in order to the forgiveness we expect from him, the contrary is plain from several other texts, John 3:18,36 Ac 2:38 16:31 &c.; but that without this forgiveness of our brethren, God will not forgive us, Matthew 18:35. It is one piece of that obedience which we owe to God, and also of our gratitude, without the performance of which it is vain for us to hope for forgiveness from God.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
But if ye forgive not - He who does not awake at the sound of so loud a voice, is not asleep but dead. A vindictive man excludes himself from all hope of eternal life, and himself seals his own damnation.
I don't use eisegesis..... don't need it.
This sounds superficially sensible. Except only God could say "NO ONE in this chatroom thinks"
https://escapetoreality.org/2013/02/28/conviction-vs-correction/
1st line of article
What I say: “God never convicts us of our sins.”
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137534-holy-spirit-convicts-sin-3.html#post2658993
Here is a member quoting this very article.
So this proves the error of EG's statement, and the truth people do claim things about God and
conviction of sin which they personally may not agree with.
https://escapetoreality.org/2013/02/28/conviction-vs-correction/
1st line of article
What I say: “God never convicts us of our sins.”
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137534-holy-spirit-convicts-sin-3.html#post2658993
Here is a member quoting this very article.
So this proves the error of EG's statement, and the truth people do claim things about God and
conviction of sin which they personally may not agree with.
The above proof raises the point why some continually want to create the illusion of
certainty, and that they can speak for a whole group that they believe this and not that.
It implies a certain arrogance and knowledge which is clearly lacking, and the desire to
put another down and ridicule them. It does not surprise me based on certain peoples
track record, but it is always worthwhile pointing out obvious bad behaviour which
superficially appears to be righteous and honest.
certainty, and that they can speak for a whole group that they believe this and not that.
It implies a certain arrogance and knowledge which is clearly lacking, and the desire to
put another down and ridicule them. It does not surprise me based on certain peoples
track record, but it is always worthwhile pointing out obvious bad behaviour which
superficially appears to be righteous and honest.
Hi dc, cake taker. I love your phrases. The cake, salvation, you want to take because you
believe a few ideas, stuff the consequences or fruit in peoples lives, that means nothing.
It is like the right wing saying they are for the rights of the individual, as long as they agree
with them. I love the fact you guys loved Trump, who followed Roger Stone, lying is his way
of life. You should watch the film, "Get me Roger Stone". It summarises the failure in many
and how open they are to the enemy.
It also explains how easily you fall for the impact statements, the slander and polarisation of
positions without actually getting into content. Plant the distortion in the mind, and everything
will fit the framework.
believe a few ideas, stuff the consequences or fruit in peoples lives, that means nothing.
It is like the right wing saying they are for the rights of the individual, as long as they agree
with them. I love the fact you guys loved Trump, who followed Roger Stone, lying is his way
of life. You should watch the film, "Get me Roger Stone". It summarises the failure in many
and how open they are to the enemy.
It also explains how easily you fall for the impact statements, the slander and polarisation of
positions without actually getting into content. Plant the distortion in the mind, and everything
will fit the framework.
Matthew Poole's Commentary
Ver. 14,15. Not that our mere forgiving our brethren the injuries done unto us is all that God requireth of us in order to the forgiveness we expect from him, the contrary is plain from several other texts, John 3:18,36 Ac 2:38 16:31 &c.; but that without this forgiveness of our brethren, God will not forgive us, Matthew 18:35. It is one piece of that obedience which we owe to God, and also of our gratitude, without the performance of which it is vain for us to hope for forgiveness from God.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
But if ye forgive not - He who does not awake at the sound of so loud a voice, is not asleep but dead. A vindictive man excludes himself from all hope of eternal life, and himself seals his own damnation.
I don't use eisegesis..... don't need it.
Ver. 14,15. Not that our mere forgiving our brethren the injuries done unto us is all that God requireth of us in order to the forgiveness we expect from him, the contrary is plain from several other texts, John 3:18,36 Ac 2:38 16:31 &c.; but that without this forgiveness of our brethren, God will not forgive us, Matthew 18:35. It is one piece of that obedience which we owe to God, and also of our gratitude, without the performance of which it is vain for us to hope for forgiveness from God.
Adam Clarke's Commentary
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
But if ye forgive not - He who does not awake at the sound of so loud a voice, is not asleep but dead. A vindictive man excludes himself from all hope of eternal life, and himself seals his own damnation.
I don't use eisegesis..... don't need it.
I quote. Jesus words in Mat 6:14-15 explain His statement about forgiveness in verse 12. Though Gods forgiveness of sin is not based one's forgiving others, a Christians forgiveness is based on realizing he has been forgiven (cf. Eph. 4:32) Personal fellowship with God is in view (not salvation from sin). One cannot walk in fellowship with God if he refuses to forgive others.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
The Gentiles, of free grace, had been grafted in to share advantages. They ought therefore to beware of self-confidence, and every kind of pride or ambition; lest, having only a dead faith, and an empty profession, they should turn from God, and forfeit their privileges. If we stand at all, it is by faith; we are guilty and helpless in ourselves, and are to be humble, watchful, afraid of self-deception, or of being overcome by temptation. Not only are we at first justified by faith, but kept to the end in that justified state by faith only; yet, by a faith which is not alone, but which worketh by love to God and man.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
21. For if God spared not the natural branches—sprung from the parent stem.take heed lest he also spare not thee—a mere wild graft. The former might, beforehand, have been thought very improbable; but, after that, no one can wonder at the latter.
Matthew Poole's Commentary
This verse is a reason of the forementioned admonition: If God proceeded with so much severity against his ancient people the Jews, you Gentiles may in reason expect as great severity, if you take not heed to yourselves, and to your standing.
I find it amazing that post after post of well-known commentaries, nobody in the easy believeism camp learns a thing.
The Gentiles, of free grace, had been grafted in to share advantages. They ought therefore to beware of self-confidence, and every kind of pride or ambition; lest, having only a dead faith, and an empty profession, they should turn from God, and forfeit their privileges. If we stand at all, it is by faith; we are guilty and helpless in ourselves, and are to be humble, watchful, afraid of self-deception, or of being overcome by temptation. Not only are we at first justified by faith, but kept to the end in that justified state by faith only; yet, by a faith which is not alone, but which worketh by love to God and man.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
21. For if God spared not the natural branches—sprung from the parent stem.take heed lest he also spare not thee—a mere wild graft. The former might, beforehand, have been thought very improbable; but, after that, no one can wonder at the latter.
Matthew Poole's Commentary
This verse is a reason of the forementioned admonition: If God proceeded with so much severity against his ancient people the Jews, you Gentiles may in reason expect as great severity, if you take not heed to yourselves, and to your standing.
I find it amazing that post after post of well-known commentaries, nobody in the easy believeism camp learns a thing.
It seems some have missed the point, so let me explain.
Israel was cast asside because of unbelief. Because of this unbelief opportunity was made
available for gentiles to become part of the people of God and be grafted in.
But because one is grafted in, it is not security forever, but conditional on faith. If you
later fall into unbelief as many in Israel did after gaining faith, you will also be cast out.
Obviously people have a different way of looking at this verse, so I would be interested
on how they explain the warning away.
Israel was cast asside because of unbelief. Because of this unbelief opportunity was made
available for gentiles to become part of the people of God and be grafted in.
But because one is grafted in, it is not security forever, but conditional on faith. If you
later fall into unbelief as many in Israel did after gaining faith, you will also be cast out.
Obviously people have a different way of looking at this verse, so I would be interested
on how they explain the warning away.
Paul is addressing individuals, each branch, that if a branch does not remain
in faith, it will be removed.
The group argument is meaningless and non-existant.
Equally the idea you have said something meaningful is also demeaning and
arrogant, when clearly you have said nothing substantial and not established a point.
in faith, it will be removed.
The group argument is meaningless and non-existant.
Equally the idea you have said something meaningful is also demeaning and
arrogant, when clearly you have said nothing substantial and not established a point.
I think this controversy actually comes because someone in our life is not acting as we think they should. So therefore, we begin to judge them according to the law. And responding without love or mercy towards them.
You should...
You did...
I am holier than you. Why don't you do what I do?
Flesh...
Dont' ask me how I know this.
You should...
You did...
I am holier than you. Why don't you do what I do?
Flesh...
Dont' ask me how I know this.